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  • mikesouth
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    • Jun 2003
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    CalOSHA using 2257 to violate producers on condoms and permits ATK visited Yesterday

    from http://www.mikesouth.com

    Ok I have a lot of people telling me about this one.

    Seems ATK got visited by OSHA yesterday and OSHA was ready?They had a subpoena for months of 2257 records. They weren?t inspecting those records for 2257 purposes but to ascertain when a shoot occurred and if it violated the statewide OSHA condom rules, AND to prove they didn?t pull the required permits.

    And ATK isn?t the only ones, I have been hearing for a couple of weeks that Evil Angel got a visit as well. In Evils Case They are just a middleman so no idea how that one turned out but my gut tells me they want shoot dates, and producers names and addresses from Evil?s 2257 records.

    Porners need to pay CLOSE attention to this, You can pretty well bet it?s why Vivid isn?t shooting anything new. Say what you want about Steve Hirsch but the guy is smart when it comes to that.

    I?m hearing Digital Playground is high on OSHAs list to.
    Mike South

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    • Vendzilla
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      • Mar 2004
      • 23200
      #2
      I thought the statewide condom law died? That it's just LA county and Simi Valley?
      I have always hated dealing with Cal Osha, bunch of cunts
      Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
      think about that

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        • pornlaw
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          • Feb 2007
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          #3
          The state wide condom law has been around for years...

          It's California Code of Regulation section 5193... Bloodborne Pathogens... Or as Mark Kernes refers to it "the hazmat suit law."

          That's the basis for much of CalOSHAs fines of all of the porn production companies...
          Michael

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            • pornlaw
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              • Feb 2007
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              #4
              And as far as asking for 2257 records, CalOSHA has always done that. That's really nothing new. They have always tried to get to the performers as possible witnesses against the production companies.

              It also gives them a way to get to the agents as well.
              Michael

              www.AdultBizLaw.com

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                • mikesouth
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                  • Jun 2003
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                  #5
                  What Pornlaw said....NEVER believe what Diane Duke tells you.

                  also the agents are licensed under the same agency cal OSHA operates under

                  They arent going after performers on these 2257 inspections its to prove dates of production, whether or not condoms were used and wether a permit was gotten....they dont need a performer to testify Im told
                  Last edited by mikesouth; 02-13-2014, 01:13 PM.
                  Mike South

                  It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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                    • Vendzilla
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                      • Mar 2004
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                      #6
                      Well I think all production companies should start sending used condoms to Cal OSHA to prove they are operating legally! LOL
                      Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                      think about that

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                        • L-Pink
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                          • Mar 2005
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                          #7
                          Originally posted by Vendzilla
                          Well I think all production companies should start sending used condoms to Cal OSHA to prove they are operating legally! LOL

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                            • Vendzilla
                              Biker Gnome
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 23200
                              #8
                              California Supreme court just made it easier to get a carry permit

                              Whoops, wrong place, LOL
                              Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                              think about that

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                                • pornlaw
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                                  #9
                                  A couple of years ago the Labor Commish subpoenaed the records of all the licensed and bonded agents. Some put up a fight but eventually they folded and handed over the records.

                                  If the DIR ( Depart of Industrial Relations) wanted the agents' records they would just subpoena then again. They don't need to use CalOSHA to get them.
                                  Michael

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                                    • mikesouth
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                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by pornlaw
                                      A couple of years ago the Labor Commish subpoenaed the records of all the licensed and bonded agents. Some put up a fight but eventually they folded and handed over the records.

                                      If the DIR ( Depart of Industrial Relations) wanted the agents' records they would just subpoena then again. They don't need to use CalOSHA to get them.
                                      Agree and I get what yer saying but OSHA is using the 2257 info to cross reference condom compliance and permits. They arent using it to check performers IDs or whatever its all about proving a production was shot on a particular date without condoms in other words OSHA is using it as evidence for OSHA violations.

                                      One of those unintended consequences i reckon...Im wondering if that could be construed as incriminating ones self but my gut tells me no because it isnt a criminal charge its an OSHA fine...

                                      Should keep you legal Beagles arguing for a while...BTW Michael...hope yer well man.
                                      Mike South

                                      It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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                                        • Grapesoda
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                                          • Jul 2003
                                          • 46234
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by mikesouth
                                          Agree and I get what yer saying but OSHA is using the 2257 info to cross reference condom compliance and permits. They arent using it to check performers IDs or whatever its all about proving a production was shot on a particular date without condoms in other words OSHA is using it as evidence for OSHA violations.

                                          One of those unintended consequences i reckon...Im wondering if that could be construed as incriminating ones self but my gut tells me no because it isnt a criminal charge its an OSHA fine...

                                          Should keep you legal Beagles arguing for a while...BTW Michael...hope yer well man.
                                          it's a pretty interesting issue... 'if sex is so dangerous' we need government regulations and enforcements... how long until we have 'government protection' at home?

                                          it's not like there isn't a legal case history to back this up now is there... think heroin, weed in most places, cocaine... the government has stepped in with laws and regulations to 'protect us' from harm..... even at home.

                                          Mike if you weren't so busy running your personal agenda against the industry, you might see this

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                                            • Grapesoda
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                                              • Jul 2003
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                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by pornlaw
                                              And as far as asking for 2257 records, CalOSHA has always done that. That's really nothing new. They have always tried to get to the performers as possible witnesses against the production companies.

                                              It also gives them a way to get to the agents as well.
                                              2257 records have no relationship to 'type' of production.. solo shoots have 2257 records....2257 records do NOT list agencies either..... so what is the basis for collection of 2257 release? or model releases either for that matter... neither have shoot specifics...
                                              Last edited by Grapesoda; 02-14-2014, 05:53 AM.

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                                                • The Porn Nerd
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                                                  So when is all porn production in LA officially moving to Las Vegas so we can end all this nonsense and bullshit?
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                                                    • pornlaw
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                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by Grapesoda
                                                      it's a pretty interesting issue... 'if sex is so dangerous' we need government regulations and enforcements... how long until we have 'government protection' at home?

                                                      it's not like there isn't a legal case history to back this up now is there... think heroin, weed in most places, cocaine... the government has stepped in with laws and regulations to 'protect us' from harm..... even at home.

                                                      Mike if you weren't so busy running your personal agenda against the industry, you might see this
                                                      Measure B does extend all the way into the home. The way the law is written even monogamous married couples that engage in sex on webcam for profit MUST wear a condom and use barrier protection when they are performing. It makes no exceptions.

                                                      This is the slippery slope of Measure B and AHF's agenda that no one is discussing.
                                                      Michael

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                                                        • pornlaw
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                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                                          So when is all porn production in LA officially moving to Las Vegas so we can end all this nonsense and bullshit?
                                                          AHF has already filed complaints in FL in regards to porn production not using condoms. There is little reason to believe they wont follow the industry to LV.

                                                          And quite actually, Nevada already has regs requiring condoms for prostitutes in brothels and Sheriff's cards for dancers in LV, its not hard to imagine the state would regulate porn production as well.

                                                          This isnt just a Cali issue.
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                                                            • Grapesoda
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                                                              • Jul 2003
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                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by pornlaw
                                                              Measure B does extend all the way into the home. The way the law is written even monogamous married couples that engage in sex on webcam for profit MUST wear a condom and use barrier protection when they are performing. It makes no exceptions.

                                                              This is the slippery slope of Measure B and AHF's agenda that no one is discussing.
                                                              measure B is not related to osha in any way. osha is state, measure b is la county

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                                                                • Grapesoda
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                                                                  • Jul 2003
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                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by pornlaw
                                                                  AHF has already filed complaints in FL in regards to porn production not using condoms. There is little reason to believe they wont follow the industry to LV.

                                                                  And quite actually, Nevada already has regs requiring condoms for prostitutes in brothels and Sheriff's cards for dancers in LV, its not hard to imagine the state would regulate porn production as well.

                                                                  This isnt just a Cali issue.
                                                                  when porn moves to TJ everyone will be much safer :

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                                                                    • 12clicks
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                                                                      #18
                                                                      What authority does OSHA have to demand 2257 records?
                                                                      I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                        • Tom_PM
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                                                                          • Feb 2005
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                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by Grapesoda
                                                                          measure B is not related to osha in any way. osha is state, measure b is la county
                                                                          Your comment though was along the lines of "how long until government extends into the home" and he pointed out where it did.
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                                                                            • Grapesoda
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                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by Tom_PM
                                                                              Your comment though was along the lines of "how long until government extends into the home" and he pointed out where it did.
                                                                              okay, osha can't stop by on measure B though

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                                                                                • 30SalesPlus
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                                                                                  California loves to fuck itself in the ass.

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                                                                                    • mikesouth
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                                                                                      Just because i report somethong you dont like doesnt mean I have an "agenda" against the biz...I love the biz and most of the people in it and keepping quiet about this would be doing them a great disservice.

                                                                                      Do we need to clean out some of the cockroaches...hell yes.

                                                                                      One down...(Fabian) far too many to go...
                                                                                      Mike South

                                                                                      It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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                                                                                        • NaughtyRob
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                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Exactly what I was thinking. Get the fuck out of LA guys. Housing, office space, cost of living is VERY affordable here.
                                                                                          There are supporting staff such as makeup artists, etc and if the industry moves here, models will follow. Its a no brainer.

                                                                                          Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                                                                          So when is all porn production in LA officially moving to Las Vegas so we can end all this nonsense and bullshit?
                                                                                          Last edited by NaughtyRob; 02-14-2014, 09:30 AM.
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                                                                                            • mikesouth
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                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by NaughtyRob
                                                                                              Exactly what I was thinking. Get the fuck out of LA guys. Housing, office space, cost of living is VERY affordable here.
                                                                                              There are supporting staff such as makeup artists, etc and if the industry moves here, models will follow. Its a no brainer.
                                                                                              Dont mean to rain on the parade here but that didnt work out so well for Naughty America and you are delusional if you think OSHA wouldn't follow porners wherever they go.
                                                                                              Mike South

                                                                                              It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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                                                                                                • NaughtyRob
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                                                                                                  Its CAL osha that is causing issues correct?
                                                                                                  There is no law in Nevada prohibiting condom use in porn.
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                                                                                                    • sinclair
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                                                                                                      Las Vegas doesn't have legal weed.

                                                                                                      It is one of the essentials of the Goldilocks Conditions needing to be met for porn production to flourish.
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                                                                                                        • pornlaw
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                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by NaughtyRob
                                                                                                          Its CAL osha that is causing issues correct?
                                                                                                          There is no law in Nevada prohibiting condom use in porn.
                                                                                                          No but there's a law requiring condoms for the brothels. Do you think NV is going to give porn producers a pass on that one ? Or do you think that Dennis Hof and the other brothel owners arent going to lobby against bareback porn ?
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                                                                                                            • pornlaw
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                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by Grapesoda
                                                                                                              okay, osha can't stop by on measure B though
                                                                                                              CalOSHA can stop by for any reason they want... They have the right to inspect work sites.
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                                                                                                                • NaughtyRob
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                                                                                                                  Who knows pornlaw, but prostitution is NOT legal in Las Vegas or Reno, only in areas outside Clark and Washoe county, so it doesnt even affect the brothels.
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                                                                                                                    • pornlaw
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                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                                      What authority does OSHA have to demand 2257 records?
                                                                                                                      They really dont have any basis for it. And I have objected to their requests for such records in past. I would make them fight for it.
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                                                                                                                        • Grapesoda
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                                                                                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                          • 46234
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by pornlaw
                                                                                                                          They really dont have any basis for it. And I have objected to their requests for such records in past. I would make them fight for it.
                                                                                                                          imagine all the privacy lawsuits from turning over 2257 or model releases

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                                                                                                                            • pornlaw
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                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by NaughtyRob
                                                                                                                              Who knows pornlaw, but prostitution is NOT legal in Las Vegas or Reno, only in areas outside Clark and Washoe county, so it doesnt even affect the brothels.
                                                                                                                              If you're Dennis Hof and you've been trying for years to establish legal brothels in Las Vegas but every year you get shut down by the NV legislature and now porn production moves into Las Vegas - would you just sit by and watch that happen ?

                                                                                                                              To many people - porn production is nothing more than legalize prostitution - so if Im Dennis Hof, Im pushing harder than ever for Las Vegas's first legal brothel. And if I cant have that then Im going to push for porn production to be regulated no different than a brothel.

                                                                                                                              You dont think 500+ performers living in Vegas full time is going to effect Dennis Hof's business that is an hour drive outside of Vegas ? Why drive an hour for a condom brothel girl when I can have a pornstar in Vegas bareback for the same price ??? Thats how it effects his business...
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                                                                                                                                • Grapesoda
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                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2003
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                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by mikesouth
                                                                                                                                  Just because i report somethong you dont like doesnt mean I have an "agenda" against the biz...I love the biz and most of the people in it and keepping quiet about this would be doing them a great disservice.

                                                                                                                                  Do we need to clean out some of the cockroaches...hell yes.

                                                                                                                                  One down...(Fabian) far too many to go...
                                                                                                                                  yup, exactly like the guy that cuts his daughters clit off so she can have a better life

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                                                                                                                                    • Stephen
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                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                                                      What authority does OSHA have to demand 2257 records?
                                                                                                                                      That's my question. Those are fed files, only for the Attorney General or his designee.

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                                                                                                                                        • ezgirl
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                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by mikesouth
                                                                                                                                          Dont mean to rain on the parade here but that didnt work out so well for Naughty America and you are delusional if you think OSHA wouldn't follow porners wherever they go.
                                                                                                                                          What happened with Naughty America?
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                                                                                                                                            • AaronM
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                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by ezgirl
                                                                                                                                              What happened with Naughty America?
                                                                                                                                              Very much looking forward to seeing this answered publicly. Curious if it's the same things I've been told by some of those involved....

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                                                                                                                                                • pornguy
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                                                                                                                                                  Some day someone needs to show these states how much this can cost them by taking these laws too far.
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                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                                                                                                      Very much looking forward to seeing this answered publicly. Curious if it's the same things I've been told by some of those involved....
                                                                                                                                                      So share, what have you heard?
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                                                                                                                                                        • EddyTheDog
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                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                                                                          What authority does OSHA have to demand 2257 records?
                                                                                                                                                          Why would you care?..

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                                                                                                                                                            • AaronM
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                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by ezgirl
                                                                                                                                                              So share, what have you heard?
                                                                                                                                                              Out of respect for Andreas, I'm going to decline to answer that. If somebody else want to air that laundry, it's on them.

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                                                                                                                                                                • 12clicks
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                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by pornlaw
                                                                                                                                                                  They really dont have any basis for it. And I have objected to their requests for such records in past. I would make them fight for it.
                                                                                                                                                                  That's what I thought. Tell them to beat it
                                                                                                                                                                  I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                                                                    • NEW XTC
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                                                                                                                                                                      Mike you said one down "Fabian" I've been outta the loop - what happened with Fabian?
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                                                                                                                                                                        • AaronM
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                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                                                                                          That's what I thought. Tell them to beat it
                                                                                                                                                                          That's my initial thought as well. However, what complications could arise based on the fact that they have a subpoena?

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                                                                                                                                                                            • _Richard_
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                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                                                                                                                              That's my initial thought as well. However, what complications could arise based on the fact that they have a subpoena?
                                                                                                                                                                              here, if we tell someone of authority 'no' with a legal basis, they generally make us 'regret it' however they can

                                                                                                                                                                              would the same premise apply with CalOSHA requesting to see the 2257?

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                                                                                                                                                                                • mikesouth
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                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Grapesoda
                                                                                                                                                                                  yup, exactly like the guy that cuts his daughters clit off so she can have a better life
                                                                                                                                                                                  OK confirmed yer a fucking moron....

                                                                                                                                                                                  Send the boy to school and what does he do...eats the fucking erasers
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                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by mikesouth
                                                                                                                                                                                      OK confirmed yer a fucking moron....

                                                                                                                                                                                      Send the boy to school and what does he do...eats the fucking erasers

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                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by _Richard_
                                                                                                                                                                                          here, if we tell someone of authority 'no' with a legal basis, they generally make us 'regret it' however they can

                                                                                                                                                                                          would the same premise apply with CalOSHA requesting to see the 2257?

                                                                                                                                                                                          The odds for that seem pretty good to me.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • The Porn Nerd
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                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              How about Reno? Portland, Oregon? Seattle? Just over the border in Vancouver?

                                                                                                                                                                                              It sounds like CalOSHA, Diane Duke et al have already won then. It sounds like many here think there is no (and never will be any) "safe haven" for porn producers. So everyone move to Russia or Czech ASAP, right?

                                                                                                                                                                                              If "the State" (local or federal) cannot shut down all the illegal drug producers in this country how would CalOSHA or anyone else have enough resources to shut down EVERY porn producer in America?

                                                                                                                                                                                              I say we all calm down here people and take a deep breath (and start scanning Google maps for a new home).
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • AaronM
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                                                                                                                                                                                  How about Reno? Portland, Oregon? Seattle? Just over the border in Vancouver?

                                                                                                                                                                                                  It sounds like CalOSHA, Diane Duke et al have already won then. It sounds like many here think there is no (and never will be any) "safe haven" for porn producers. So everyone move to Russia or Czech ASAP, right?

                                                                                                                                                                                                  If "the State" (local or federal) cannot shut down all the illegal drug producers in this country how would CalOSHA or anyone else have enough resources to shut down EVERY porn producer in America?

                                                                                                                                                                                                  I say we all calm down here people and take a deep breath (and start scanning Google maps for a new home).

                                                                                                                                                                                                  You're not the one getting $70k fines. It's easy to sit where you are and not have to worry about that.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                                                                                                                                                      You're not the one getting $70k fines. It's easy to sit where you are and not have to worry about that.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      True, and I don't mean to be flip. But if I were seriously facing 70k fines (and it sounds like many are) then I would have Plan B initiated right about now, whatever that may be for my company (no pun intended, as in Measure B).

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Of course it's a massive disruption in people's lives, employees would have to move (those that could), access to talent would change (or diminish), many costs would go up at a time when revenue is sinking. So I absolutely see the concerns.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Having said all that, I still don't think any of this is enforceable long-term. Resources aside, there has to be a public appetite for such enforcement and I think the politics will cool down eventually. Porn (and America) goes through these political/religious freak outs over porn from time to time but this one wreaks of economic control more than anything else.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      So what's the solution other than wearing the damn condoms?
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