And you're right!

It's time to stop the (US/Bush) bashing and be realistic.

(You're not looney after all.....)

hey, I know my name...but you forgot to qoute the and proud of it bit ;)

Oh sure...just jump on the bandwagon.

see, I never bash the US as a people..I do not like Bush..I really think much of what he does it down right wrong, even if he thinks it is right. However, I just want this over and I know it isn't going to be over until it starts.

You know, it is really scary being an American abroad right now.really scary. Guys calling for death to all americans found outside the US..living right here in this city. I can't speak in public incase someone hears my voice. And yes I think Bush has a lot to do with that ..but just get it the hell over with already so I can have a life.

honey, I was born on that wagon.


try being the only leftie in a republican household as a kid ..it makes for fun debates ;)

I'd like to know why you Bush bashers hate him so much. What has he done that's so bad? For some reason not one person has been able to give me a straight answer besides, "He just sucks!". Well, that's no reason. He's the best president we've had in a LONG time & I'd be really frightened if it were anyone else in charge right now. Shit, if it were anyone else we'd already be suckin' Osama cock & kissin' Saddam's ass.

most of the people i know who feel they love the flag and all that stuff have one on their car. they leave it up at night (what happened to taking down the flag at night?) and drive around till it's frayed and torn and messed up.

i've always wondered how respectful they feel that is - i'm not into the flag thing, but it seems sort of strange to destroy it in the interests of showing your patriotism...

on another note, most - not all, but a large percentage - of the folks i've ever met who are into the "love it or leave it" thing are also racial bigots. how can we be "one nation under god" when so many feel that WHITE united statesians are the only ones that statement represents when we have citizens of every nation whose families have been here for over 100 years?

i love the ideals of freedom, brotherhood and equality our country was founded on. i'd love to see more of it in my everyday life.

I know you're aren't one of the "bashers"....

otherwise - AMEN.


and be safe!

The right wing media tries to make it seem like Bush is America. If you don't like Bush, then you don't like America. Everything is very simple, black and white, small words. It's simple to keep the talk radio crowd in line by telling them that any criticism of Bush's foreign or domestic policy is a direct attack on America. They would have you believe that Bush is America and America is Bush.

Of course, when Clinton was president, everything was just the opposite. It was patriotic to bash him, call him names, and talk about his penis all day and all night.

It's surprising to me that people fall for this stuff. :)

Only history will tell... but I think for a War-Time President - he's going to go down as a damn good one.

:2 cents:

It's surprising to me that you actually think Clinton was a good president. There were very few Clinton bashers, at least very few that were on poublic display, cuz like I mentioned above...there basically is no right wing media.

well, I am a liberal..so imagine that I might not like conservative policy. I don't like that Bush had such little knowledge of the outside world priror to 9-11. That might not matter to you but then you don't live abroad. So, for me international matters are of vast importance because they directly effect my life. I'm not going to get into the Clinton debate because just as I as a liberal do not like Bush chances are a conservative is not going to like Clinton. However, as an American abroad I felt safer with him in office, I felt he was respected through out the world (even if not at home..ask Tony Blair about that one)..I was down right proud to be an American with some of the things he did internationally, etc. As soon as Bush came into office that was gone..he didn't care about the world. Well, I live in the world and I know that you turn your back on it at your on peril.

So, basiclly it is a difference in ideals. I do not tell you that you can't like him and vote for him. By all means do so, that is your right. I just don't feel safe under Bush either physically or as far as the protection of my beliefs go.

Where have I read that before.....?

Oh, I know - you've written the same "right wing media" crap 20 times in 20 different threads. :sleep



get with the program dude.... it's going to happen.

also, most american media is right wing, you might not notice that because you are surrouned by it but almost anyone that watches it from outside cringes at the one sided nature of a lot of the news channels. Fox News in particular...that started up after I left and when I see it on tv over here (it is burried inthe channels) I get so mad about opinion being passed out as fact. I would get the same way if it was liberals doing it but it so happens that is right wing.


I think the truth is that whatever side you are on it is only when something clashes with your views that you take strong notice. Otherwise it just pases over you.

You were answering eRock's question.....?

and you "hate" the man for a "difference in ideals" ?


And for what it's worth - As far as Clinton getting respect from other countries, he made a laughing stock of the Presidency of the United States and was the butt of jokes world wide.

But we were taking about that stupid kid turning her back on the flag....


:winkwink:

i hate the way he is ruling..Idon't know him personally so I wouldn't make such judgements. Clinton jokes were told because it was a funny situation..because most of the world didn't understand why it was even a big deal.

Please go to Ireland and tell them Bush is better for international politics.


lol...yeah the flag.

--> so, if the Embassy didn't have the flag on it it wouldn't be the Embassy...they say the US Embassy on them...been to a few ;)


I don't think an Embassy is an Embassy without a flag. That is .. Have you ever been to a US Embassy that is NOT flying the flag?

The flag is taken with the staff if an Embassy is for any reason abandoned. So it's possible a building could read "US EMBASSY" and be empty and abandoned. If you want to get down to details that is.

Once again you prove your ignorance. Luckily, your ignorance keeps these threads entertaining. :)

There are countries where all U.S. presidents are hated, but outside of those countries, Clinton was loved and respected be people all over the world. Bush is hated and laughed at by people all over the world.

Internationally, Bush is considered the biggest joke of a president in the last 25 years at least. Even more so than his father, and that took a lot of effort. Do you actually know anyone who lives in another country? Have you been outside the U.S. during both presidencies?

"Ignorance is bliss!" Sypher, The Matrix.

I love Canada :)

DH

What the hell did Clinton do internationally to make you feel safer!? :1orglaugh And Bush's concerns are w/ the American people & America in general as the president should be. There's no reason we shouyld be stickin' our noses in other countries business unless it effects us directly.

Weak presidents are historically liked internationally. Foreign countries liked Clinton because they knew he would never do anything. Same thing with Jimmy Carter.

People like Bush and Regan though get their way, even if they have to piss off people to do it.



Also, how on earth can anyone say most media is right wing. CBS, NBC, ABC are as liberal as it can get. CNN is stays pretty neutral and tries not to rock the boat either way. Fox News is the only station with a right slant.

Things like talk radio and editorial shows are conservative because thats what middle america wants. Donahue just got cancelled because he was losing 6 to 1 in ratings against Oreilly.

Yeah.... one of us has....


Let me guess - you didn't inhale either?



:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

well i live in London..less bombs blowing up our busses due largely to him is one thing.

Clinton loved & respected!? :1orglaugh Dave was right...we were the laughing stock of the world because of Clinton. I think this shows you're ignorance, Others outside of this country may not like Bush cuz he won't strand to be walked all over by other countries & the rest of the world knew they could get away w/ that w/ Clinton as our president. Shit...he was HUGELY against our own military! No wonder they loved him! :1orglaugh

I see not many people here understand what symbolism is.

Our flag is not a simple piece of cloth. It's a symbol. A symbol that holds many people together through tough times.

Red. White. And blue. They aren't just colors. When bonded, they represent something much more.

Well, Bush is the president of America...not any other country.

So you are telling me that Clinton was bombing busses in London - but not as bad as Bush is?

The US president does that kind of shit - no wonder they don't like us there!!!


:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

um, i do hope you are joking and know what I was talking about.

International dimplomacy is part of the job. If he wanted to only be involved with domestics he should have stayed in domestic politics. Also, it does involved the states because American money was funding many of those bombs. Please don't tell me otherwise.

I'm getting mixed signals here. So are you saying you think the President should get involved with the problems of other countries?

*Cough* Clinton Trade Polocies *Cough*

And it's not our job to babysit the rest of the world.

I think, personally, it depends on the situation. Peace talk type things don't bother me in the least. And when the country the president comes from has such an important role in said situation(ie..ireland., even middle east peace talks) then yes I guess so.

sorry...NORAID existed way before Clinton..

Maybe so, but he added fuel to the fire. Ah hem...China?

Every heard of the Good Friday agreement?

Still not our job nor problem...unles, like I said above, it efects us directly.

so, if there are people in the UK, germany, etc funding Osama, we are okay not to act on it because it doens't effect us directly?

That doesn't effect us directly? :1orglaugh