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Old 06-04-2013, 01:09 AM   #51
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I thought it was a pretty awesome episode actually
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Freaking crazy... not reading the books but loving the series!!!

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Watched it last night, didn't see that coming at all. There is way to many stories going on now, its going to get boring...The whole thing was built on vengeance for ned stark... now you got 1 bastard son thats on the run, one son going fuck knows and 1 on some quest and now has super powers to control animals and people while being a cripple. 1 daughter married to a midget in love with his wifes maid and no idea what will happen to the daughter now i was so routing for her to get back to rob and her mum then i was routing for her to save the wolfe...again disappointed

Midget didn't even make it in last night episode.

I can see it going down hill fast from now on which is a shame.
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I havenīt watched any of them yet, should I book it or just get stuck in with the series?
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Old 06-04-2013, 07:41 AM   #56
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Pretty shitty move dude for the people that havn't read the books.
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I've read the books as well and enjoyed dropping hints to my mates about the death of Rob Stark.

Will be interesting to see how they do the next couple of books since they wander for sure.

And there is no ending yet - anyone know when the next book is due out?


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Having read all the books...I knew it was coming.

But the problem that the whole series is going to face is that the writer really jumps the shark as far as having any kind of focus.

What started off as a really good story of a "Game Of Thrones" ends up being a meandering tale with a dozen storylines in far-off places that are almost impossible to follow.

By the time I read the last book...almost every character that started the first book was either dead or impossibly embroiled thousands of miles away.

The whole idea of a war for the "Throne" is entirely gone and is replaced with a bunch of stupid storylines that go nowhere.

I'm thinking that the writer really needs to pull everything back together in the next book or else the whole thing is gonna crash down under it's own weight.
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:33 AM   #61
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Give it a bit...in the books, the war between the Lanisters and the Starks isn't even the focus anymore. Hell, there's hardly any of them left.

That's the frustration of the books...the whole thing started off with the King being best friends with Ned Stark and needing his help and was a pretty good setup and storyline with all the intrigue and incest, etc.

But in the books...that storyline was for NOTHING. None of it meant anything. And the "war" meant nothing. And most of the characters that he gets you invested in...mean nothing.

I'm not even sure that he has any idea in his mind where this whole story is going to go.

He's like a writer with ADD. lol
I agree. I enjoyed but hated at the same time the first 3 and quit reading after the red wedding. What character was I supposed to care about that wasn't busy doing out of character things as clumsy plot devices.

Overall, not a very good writer. At the same time, some very good points shine through.
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Another problem the series is going to have are the young people in the story.

In the book...Rob Stark for instance is 15 years old. And he's the OLDEST of the bunch.

Obviously the series couldn't show a bunch of pubescent children having sex and so forth (the way it is in the books) because modern day society doesn't work like that.

So they got some "of age" actors to play the older Stark brothers...and some kids to play the other siblings.

But now...a few years have gone by in "real life". But in the storyline it's only a few months that have went by on the series.

And the "kids" are growing up FAST. Arya will have tits by next season! And young Bran is on the verge of growing a mustache! In the storyline...only a few months have passed...but Arya went from being a tiny, cute little girl to being a teenager in a matter of days! lol

If I were them I'd film the next 10 seasons NOW before the actors get any older.

What are they going to do with a bunch of grown up people playing the parts of small children (like Arya and Bran) if the series goes on another 3 or 4 years?
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I actually enjoyed the latest book (Dance with Dragons). It deals a lot with the Dragon lady and there are a couple nice twists in there I'd love to see on the TV show. I also predict the Dragons are going to rule again, with the help of Tyrion. Stannis and the Red Witch versus the Dragons would also make for an interesting battle.



I'm sure he must at least have a storyboard made up for the last 2 books, probably just a case of filling in all the little details and making it more dramatic. I don't expect to see a new book for another few years though, he seems like a perfectionist and I don't think he minds keeping people waiting. It might end up the last 2 books come out as a movie though (I don't think the TV series will last that much longer, unfortunately).
Stop posting spoilers you fucking douchebag THIS IS A FUCKING TELEVISION SHOW THREAD.
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Martin has managed to craft a series of books without a protagonist. The story is not about any character, family, or particular battle. The fact that you assume Ned Stark is the protagonist, or that any one war is the most significant, doesn't change that. :
That's the mistake most people make. They get focused one one character, and then get upset when he/she dies. There is NO HERO in the story. Ned Stark was not a main character. He's a character whose death served as a catalyst for the entire series of books.

His death in not some choice to just kill off a character.
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Yes, what a surprise. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised by anything. That show is awesome. I thought it was going to be a slow episode, but then... BAM.
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That's the mistake most people make. They get focused one one character, and then get upset when he/she dies. There is NO HERO in the story.
Each character is the main character... from their own point of view. Just the way the real world works where whoever is reading this thinks they are the protagonist and the story is all about them.
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It was expected two series before
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Sorry to piss in your cheerios, but I didn't post any spoilers. I made a couple of predictions that haven't happened on the TV show or in the books. That's why I said 'I predict.' Next time get your facts straight or learn to read before calling me a douchebag, you troll.
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Great show and I love it - but the producers are fucking up letting the writer have free reign over the script - what makes a great book doesn't always make a great movie.
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I am currently on fourth book, and if jon snow dies as well... I am done with G.O.T.
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I am currently on fourth book, and if jon snow dies as well... I am done with G.O.T.
I dislike his character. I really do.

I like Tyrion Lannister and Daenerys Targaryen.
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I haven't read the books, and the show is more or less OK. This entire scene was too rough, needless-to-show violence was fucking overdosed... Showing a pregnant chick getting stabbed in the stomach multiple times on TV is a NO-NO!!!!! So SCREW the producer and the director BIG TIME. Totally pointless... I have no problems w blood, cutting throats, squirting blood, etc [I love Tarantino anyway ;)] but no one ever can convince me it was necessary to kill that poor preggo THIS WAY... I dont fucking care what was in the book, but bringing this to TV was a huge mistake imo... This is way too tough for a ~'mainstream' TV show.. I am 34 and it shocked me.. what if 15-18 aged 'kids' especially girls see this? Crazzzzyyyy....
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Two series before? Are there 2 other GOT series I missed? Or do you mean episodes? Not everyone has read the books or has your natural power of divination, Kreskin.
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Another problem the series is going to have are the young people in the story.

In the book...Rob Stark for instance is 15 years old. And he's the OLDEST of the bunch.

Obviously the series couldn't show a bunch of pubescent children having sex and so forth (the way it is in the books) because modern day society doesn't work like that.

So they got some "of age" actors to play the older Stark brothers...and some kids to play the other siblings.

But now...a few years have gone by in "real life". But in the storyline it's only a few months that have went by on the series.

And the "kids" are growing up FAST. Arya will have tits by next season! And young Bran is on the verge of growing a mustache! In the storyline...only a few months have passed...but Arya went from being a tiny, cute little girl to being a teenager in a matter of days! lol

If I were them I'd film the next 10 seasons NOW before the actors get any older.

What are they going to do with a bunch of grown up people playing the parts of small children (like Arya and Bran) if the series goes on another 3 or 4 years?
Hey remember Bonanza, Lorne Green was 50 and his sons were all in their forties. lol I just started reading the first book and it did strike me how much younger everyone is and alot less sex than the TV show. What book should I go up to before he jumps the shark?
I can see if it keeps going on how they start to lose their focus. The whole beginning middle and end gets lost.
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. what if 15-18 aged 'kids' especially girls see this? Crazzzzyyyy....
The show is clearly for adults. Anyone watching it knows that. The lesson to learn is don't break your oath because when you break your oath you give other people the idea that they can break their oath to you. Honestly that is a great lesson for anyone 15-18 to learn. ;)
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I haven't read the books, and the show is more or less OK. This entire scene was too rough, needless-to-show violence was fucking overdosed... Showing a pregnant chick getting stabbed in the stomach multiple times on TV is a NO-NO!!!!! So SCREW the producer and the director BIG TIME. Totally pointless... I have no problems w blood, cutting throats, squirting blood, etc [I love Tarantino anyway ;)] but no one ever can convince me it was necessary to kill that poor preggo THIS WAY... I dont fucking care what was in the book, but bringing this to TV was a huge mistake imo... This is way too tough for a ~'mainstream' TV show.. I am 34 and it shocked me.. what if 15-18 aged 'kids' especially girls see this? Crazzzzyyyy....
Great scene, actually. Shocking, edgy, vicious and mindblowing. The series has strayed from the book often enough, it's nice to see HBO staying true to it where it counts. The fact is in medieval times there was no editing commitee, but there was a lot of chopping and hacking going on. During wartime things got bloody, and a lot of innocents, even children and expecting mothers, died by the sword along with the men. As much as I found it unsettling I applaud HBO's unwavering efforts to strive for realism.

This is not a 'mainstream' TV show. It isn't Disney. It's HBO.
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I don't remember the last time people were talking about a scene from a tv show so collectively. Even more interesting since it is a cable show. There isn't much collective memory tv wise anymore because of DVRs, streaming and a ton of channels. They did a great job.
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I don't remember the last time people were talking about a scene from a tv show so collectively. Even more interesting since it is a cable show. There isn't much collective memory tv wise anymore because of DVRs, streaming and a ton of channels. They did a great job.
The wheelchair bell bomb on breaking bad was probably the last time a scene got this much attention
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I heard when George R R Martin was a kid he had turtles and they died frequently. He would make up elaborate stories of conspiracy and betrayal to explain their deaths and I guess that's what we see in ASOIAF.

It seems the whole point of the books is there isn't any magical force that will reward you for being good or punish you for being evil, you have to make the right decisions to survive, period, and sometimes that isn't enough. (just like in real life)

Also if there is a main character it's Danaerys or however you spell it. She is the rightful heir and I am guessing that John Snow is a relative of hers somehow and not actually a Stark at all. I think they will end up together at some point and once those ice creatures come south and start fucking shit up her dragons will be the only hope.
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Also if there is a main character it's Danaerys or however you spell it. She is the rightful heir and I am guessing that John Snow is a relative of hers somehow and not actually a Stark at all. I think they will end up together at some point and once those ice creatures come south and start fucking shit up her dragons will be the only hope.
The main theory is that Jon Snow is actually the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Ned Stark's sister, Lyanna (sp). It kinda makes sense. Ned was too honorable to cheat on his wife. His sister made him "promise" something, and that promise was likely not telling anyone that Jon Snow is Rhaegar's son (as he would have been killed when Robert conquered the Targaryens). Lot of evidence that Rhaegar and Lyanna were in love (Rhaegar "kidnapping" her basically started the war).

Snow could marry Danaerys as cousins (which is ok in Targaryan culture). But I'm thinking Snow just wins the throne outright, or he decides to stay at the Nights Watch to let his cousin rule.

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Old 06-05-2013, 01:00 PM   #90
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The more that I think about it - especially in light of all of the writers who post above gnashing their teeth about plot issues, parsing the plot out like was taught in high school and looking for protaganists and the like - the more that I'm impelled to the conclusion that this series really isn't about plot at all and does not really have any protagonist. If you go searching for those things, you will be certainly disappointed.

If plot and protagonist mattered as much here as it usually does in literature, the story would have largely ended with the death of Ned Stark. It did not end. It marched on to other conflicts, other issues, and other players. Some of those have ended too, and some other key players have died, but the series keeps going on to tell other stories.

Game of Thrones is unlike an ordinary novel. The point of watching it or reading the series is to get immersed in this alternate world that operates with different laws and different realities. If you like those things, and the experience of being soaked in that world, you keep watching and you keep reading. What looks like plot is just a passing parade of ambient opportunities to more fully explain this alternate world and how it works. Game of Thrones is not a novel, it is a cycle - and no particular plotline is critical to the ultimate story it tells of a fantasy world.

IMHO the stage and the sets and the props are the story and the story has become a prop and settings to better enjoy the theater.
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Old 06-05-2013, 01:04 PM   #91
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Yup..which was insanely good. Ah, can't wait for that to start again.
Only 2 months to go
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I like that nobody is safe. I like the fact that I didn't like what happened in the last show. Its different. Very different. But pretty good.


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Old 06-05-2013, 06:56 PM   #93
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The more that I think about it - especially in light of all of the writers who post above gnashing their teeth about plot issues, parsing the plot out like was taught in high school and looking for protaganists and the like - the more that I'm impelled to the conclusion that this series really isn't about plot at all and does not really have any protagonist. If you go searching for those things, you will be certainly disappointed.

If plot and protagonist mattered as much here as it usually does in literature, the story would have largely ended with the death of Ned Stark. It did not end. It marched on to other conflicts, other issues, and other players. Some of those have ended too, and some other key players have died, but the series keeps going on to tell other stories.

Game of Thrones is unlike an ordinary novel. The point of watching it or reading the series is to get immersed in this alternate world that operates with different laws and different realities. If you like those things, and the experience of being soaked in that world, you keep watching and you keep reading. What looks like plot is just a passing parade of ambient opportunities to more fully explain this alternate world and how it works. Game of Thrones is not a novel, it is a cycle - and no particular plotline is critical to the ultimate story it tells of a fantasy world.

IMHO the stage and the sets and the props are the story and the story has become a prop and settings to better enjoy the theater.
IMHO I agree mostly, it is the iron throne which is the main character and the only safe one
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The more that I think about it - especially in light of all of the writers who post above gnashing their teeth about plot issues, parsing the plot out like was taught in high school and looking for protaganists and the like - the more that I'm impelled to the conclusion that this series really isn't about plot at all and does not really have any protagonist. If you go searching for those things, you will be certainly disappointed.

If plot and protagonist mattered as much here as it usually does in literature, the story would have largely ended with the death of Ned Stark. It did not end. It marched on to other conflicts, other issues, and other players. Some of those have ended too, and some other key players have died, but the series keeps going on to tell other stories.

Game of Thrones is unlike an ordinary novel. The point of watching it or reading the series is to get immersed in this alternate world that operates with different laws and different realities. If you like those things, and the experience of being soaked in that world, you keep watching and you keep reading. What looks like plot is just a passing parade of ambient opportunities to more fully explain this alternate world and how it works. Game of Thrones is not a novel, it is a cycle - and no particular plotline is critical to the ultimate story it tells of a fantasy world.

IMHO the stage and the sets and the props are the story and the story has become a prop and settings to better enjoy the theater.
Im in awe, its such a gift to be able to sit and create a world like that and fill it with people and creatures. Im reading the first book and it reads so well.
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Old 06-05-2013, 07:15 PM   #95
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Great show and I love it - but the producers are fucking up letting the writer have free reign over the script - what makes a great book doesn't always make a great movie.
So isn't that is why they let writer have free reign? Meaning writer can change things that makes great book, but would not make good movie.
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Old 06-05-2013, 07:19 PM   #96
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Two series before? Are there 2 other GOT series I missed? Or do you mean episodes? Not everyone has read the books or has your natural power of divination, Kreskin.
episode=serie in certain (many) languages, so I am pretty sure he meant that.

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