Tebow Camp Admits His NFL Future May Be Done

[Barefootsies]

Adios holy roller. Don't let the door hit you were your jewish fairytale lord split ya.

While Tebow may not be an NFL-caliber starting quarterback, he's certainly an NFL-caliber athlete. That's why is it somewhat of a surprise that Tebow can't find a spot with one of the 30 other NFL teams in the league who had 2,700 roster spots to fill this offseason. The list of possible teams for Tebow is whittled down by the eight teams who have new head coaches that would prefer to not invite the circus that accompanies Tebow to town while trying to implement their systems. Still, that leaves nearly 2,000 spots for Tebow, who remains unemployed.

FULL STORY

[PR_Glen]

would it be a circus this time around? i doubt it, especially when most people know that he'd be a second stringer at best.

[Grapesoda]

what a drag

[kane]

This is one of those cases where I think his religion did him in. Sure, he isn't a top of the line NFL QB, but he has a winning record as a starter (in 16 games as a starter he is 9-7) during which he threw for 17 TDs Vs 9 Int and he has a playoff win.

Many people say it was Denver's defense that won those games and I won't argue against that, but his stats through 16 starts are better than Eli Manning and similar to Joe Flacco. In most cases a guy like that would at the very least get many offers to be a backup and for a team that has an established veteran QB having him as a backup could give them time to maybe help him develop into a starter without any pressure.

I was reading that there are teams interested in giving Jamarcus Russell another shot and Ryan Leaf got a few different shots, but somehow Tebow is out. There is something about him that turns teams off and I think it is his very public faith.

[brassmonkey]

fuck that asshole

[DTK]

Originally Posted by kane

There is something about him that turns teams off and I think it is his very public faith.

I think it has more to do with his inability to throw the football at anything like an NFL-caliber level.

[L-Pink]

Come opening Sunday there will be at least half a dozen worse starting.

[LeRoy]

The Heisman Trophy jinxed him!

[dyna mo]

he had his chance and couldn't figure out how to be nfl level personnel.

not unlike mark sanchez and rex ryan.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by kane

There is something about him that turns teams off and I think it is his very public faith.

[TrashyGirl]

He's got a huge fan base in Florida, despite his Christian zealotry. I was surprised Jacksonville didn't pick him up, especially since they need asses in the seats and Tebow could have done at least that for them. He still has the offer from Lingerie Football. Plus he can do the Christian speaking tour and make some bucks.

[seeandsee]

why they hate him?

[dyna mo]

there have been many overly religious nfl football players,


steve young


kurt warner comes to mind.

old school, roger staubach...............

[fitzmulti]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

there have been many overly religious nfl football players,


steve young


kurt warner comes to mind.

old school, roger staubach...............

Agreed...but, and NOT that I am criticizing him, but he's well beyond "overly"...compared to those guys...
But, as far as field performance, he's about as average as it got, for the NFL level.

An Arena Football team would be wise to snag him, but the $$ he'd make FOR a team, as opposed to FROM a team, would not be to his benefit, considering what he could do elsewhere...speaking engagements, etc....

[Diomed]

I feel sorry for anyone who thinks Football is interesting.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Diomed

I feel sorry for anyone who thinks Football is interesting.

Thanks but I don't need your pity.


.

[Bman]

CFL here he comes...

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by fitzmulti

Agreed...but, and NOT that I am criticizing him, but he's well beyond "overly"...compared to those guys...
But, as far as field performance, he's about as average as it got, for the NFL level.

An Arena Football team would be wise to snag him, but the $$ he'd make FOR a team, as opposed to FROM a team, would not be to his benefit, considering what he could do elsewhere...speaking engagements, etc....

i just think the media is more responsible for that part of it, they left those other guys alone but those guys had enough talent. i'm not so sure tt does/did. it's not easy reading defenses these days, but it must get done. no touchdowns otherwise these days, these crazy defenses have offenses on their heels, it's nutty. he can't sort that out. it's already been mentionerd he's a lobber.

[Bman]

Originally Posted by kane

There is something about him that turns teams off and I think it is his very public faith.

there is a lot of religious players...for some reason it is over the top with him...i think its perceived as preachy...

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Bman

CFL here he comes...

christian football league?

[dyna mo]

[Bman]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

christian football league?

Canadian Football Losers

[dyna mo]

damn, kurt warner is god's right hand man!

[Profits of Doom]

Originally Posted by Bman

there is a lot of religious players...for some reason it is over the top with him...i think its perceived as preachy...

It's funny with Tebow, as much as I think all religion is garbage at least in his case I respect the fact that he appears to actually live his life that way, as opposed to most NFL players that go into their fake "all glory to god" speeches before running out and cheating on their wives with hookers and doing blow. Don't get me wrong, I have zero problems with hookers and blow, just with phony people that act like they are good little Christians yet still partake in both. At least with Tebow I actually believe he practices what he preaches, and in a strange way I can at least respect that.

Anyways the day Tebow gives up trying to be a QB and switches position to either FB or TE he will be signed by an NFL team, and can still have a productive NFL career. He still has a unique NFL skill set, he's just not a QB...

[kane]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i just think the media is more responsible for that part of it, they left those other guys alone but those guys had enough talent. i'm not so sure tt does/did. it's not easy reading defenses these days, but it must get done. no touchdowns otherwise these days, these crazy defenses have offenses on their heels, it's nutty. he can't sort that out. it's already been mentionerd he's a lobber.

Foe me the big difference is the talent level. Those other guys mentioned are Hall of Fame guys I remember them calling Reggie White The Minister of Defense.

If you are a great player they will forgive you for just about anything (IE Ray Lewis involved in a guys murder) and embrace you.

If Drew Brees talked like Tebow and suddenly had Tebow's faith it would be accepted, overlooked and maybe even embraced, because he is a great player. When you are a marginal player it is a distraction the team doesn't want to deal with.

[mineistaken]

extra publicity for a team = $$$ for the owner, why not?

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

ADG

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by TrashyGirl

Plus he can do the Christian speaking tour and make some bucks.

with this guy!

[Webmaster Advertising]

Originally Posted by TrashyGirl

He's got a huge fan base in Florida, despite his Christian zealotry. I was surprised Jacksonville didn't pick him up, especially since they need asses in the seats and Tebow could have done at least that for them. He still has the offer from Lingerie Football. Plus he can do the Christian speaking tour and make some bucks.

Tebow wouldn't have filled site at the Jags.

We haven't won a game since the first one this year, before that we haven't won in almost 18 months, even with Khan buying the Jags and replacing the coach.

Until the Jags start winning the stadium will stay empty except for die-hard fans and corporate boxes.

They even GAVE AWAY tickets a few months back and hardly anyone extra showed up because the Jags suck so much as a team.

[LeRoy]

Hey at least it looks like he's holding his head up.

Unlike Ryan Leaf... the supposedly "next superstar" he crumbled under pressure.

NFL is a tough nut to crack

[GAMEFINEST]

god and nfl don't mix

[PR_Glen]

Am I missing something or did the jets even play him at all? There's like no stats on him for last season. how can anyone say he sucks when he's not even being played? Sanchez' stats line is fucking terrible, i would have played him..

[Si]

The NFL and CFL should merge, into the DKWFIL.

The; Don't Know What Football Is League.

You're welcome I jest! Australians are worse, they have bigger teams, bigger fields, and look even more like they don't know what they're doing.

Such fun!

[SuckOnThis]

What Tebow brings to an NFL team: A bunch of religious whackos that don't even know what the word 'end zone' means pretending to be fans constantly whining that he's not starting. And when they do start him as the Broncos did, they accused the team of conspiring to make him play bad.

THATS why he will never play in the NFL again. That and of course the fact that he sucks.

[sandman!]

i saw 2 games he played in both games i thought he was barely average at best.

i think he is done

who knows tho there some dumb coaches out there.

i would not put my $$$ on any QB John Elway thinks is useless.

[DTK]

There's a history of really good college QB's whose games simply didn't translate to the NFL level. Heisman winners Charlie Ward, Matt Leinart and Andre Ware immediately come to mind. It happens. Tebow just doesn't have the passing skills for the job.

The religious stuff has nothing to with the fact that he's nowhere near an NFL-level QB.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by DTK

The religious stuff has nothing to with the fact that he's nowhere near an NFL-level QB.

True dat. However, I think most NFL coaches do not have the patience for the media circus that comes with Tebow and his public religious bullshit in the first place. He is a 2nd or 3rd string quarterback, and better than some of the others floating around the league and holding the bench down from flying into the stands.

You do not have this much hype over most of the other clip board holders in the NFL where the coach is relentlessly dealing with press asking out when he's going to play, and should he be the starter, etc..

[bronco67]

That article sounds like a giant pile of bullshit.

By the time pre-season comes around, there will be several teams desperate to sign him.

[adendreams]

Originally Posted by kane

Many people say it was Denver's defense that won those games and I won't argue against that, but his stats through 16 starts are better than Eli Manning and similar to Joe Flacco.

If this is somehow true then its a warped piece of data - slanted as fuck somehow to favor Tebow - I mean HUH?

Worst passer I have ever seen throw a football on a pro field. However I do think it was fucked up that the coach didn't give him a shot that critical game when he put in the 3rd stringer, ouch.

Tebow was probably hoping for a little divine intervention to fix the slow-mo arm mechanics but that didnt happen...he will make a good TV commentator if the networks aren't too scared to hire a brainwashed jesus freak all fucked up on the lord.

[kane]

Originally Posted by adendreams

If this is somehow true then its a warped piece of data - slanted as fuck somehow to favor Tebow - I mean HUH?

Worst passer I have ever seen throw a football on a pro field. However I do think it was fucked up that the coach didn't give him a shot that critical game when he put in the 3rd stringer, ouch.

Tebow was probably hoping for a little divine intervention to fix the slow-mo arm mechanics but that didnt happen...he will make a good TV commentator if the networks aren't too scared to hire a brainwashed jesus freak all fucked up on the lord.

When you look at just the stats, Tebow has a career passer rating of 75.3. That year with the Broncos it was 82.1. Eli Manning's first season in the NFL he played in 9 games and had a 55.4 passer rating. His first full year as a starter he had a 75.9 pass rating. His second full season as a starter saw him with a 77 passer rating and his third saw him with a 73.9. It wasn't until his fourth full season as a starter that he broke into 80's in passer rating and got an 86.9

Other notable first year as a starter passer ratings:
Drew Brees - 76.9
Joe Flacco - 80.1
Mark Sanchez - 63.0 (has never had a year above 78)
Carson Palmer - 77
Josh Freeman 59.8

And the list goes on.

I'm not saying that this is proof that Tebow could become some great all star caliber QB. He very well may not be able to be. Like others have said, there are plenty of high profile QB's from college who didn't make it in the pros. Hell, only about 50% of the #1 overall QB picks end up actually going on to be good players. What, to me, seems different, is that nobody seems to want Tebow or even want to try to develop him.

In most cases if you had a guy who won the Heisman trophy and two national championships teams would at least be willing to say that the guy is worth looking at and trying to develop. A guy like that might get multiple tries in multiple places before people finally gave up on him. It seemed like Tebow was never wanted in Denver or New York. At the very least you would think a team could take him on as a backup and develop him.

For some reason that isn't happening here. To me this means there is something else that is the problem. Maybe they look at his basic mechanics and decide he is unfixable, but I don't think that is the case. I think teams don't want the drama that comes with his religious stuff and the fanatical fans he has. If he is on your bench his fans will be screaming for him to play the second your starting QB has a bad game. Once again I say look at Ryan Leif. He got three chances with three different teams and everyone knew his problem was that he needed help learning to play at the NFL level on the field and he had serious mental issues off the field, yet three teams took a shot on him before he finally was cut loose. Tebow appears to not be able to get the time of day from a team.

Then again, maybe we only know half the story. Maybe Tebow is telling teams he will only sign with them if he is given a chance to compete for the starting job which would greatly narrow down his potential suitors.

[adendreams]

Originally Posted by kane

When you look at just the stats, Tebow has a career passer rating of 75.3. That year with the Broncos it was 82.1. Eli Manning's first season in the NFL he played in 9 games and had a 55.4 passer rating. His first full year as a starter he had a 75.9 pass rating. His second full season as a starter saw him with a 77 passer rating and his third saw him with a 73.9. It wasn't until his fourth full season as a starter that he broke into 80's in passer rating and got an 86.9

Other notable first year as a starter passer ratings:
Drew Brees - 76.9
Joe Flacco - 80.1
Mark Sanchez - 63.0 (has never had a year above 78)
Carson Palmer - 77
Josh Freeman 59.8

And the list goes on.

Even more wildly skewed and absurd logic that I guessed... NEWSFLASH - he barely EVER threw the football - How many snaps did he take compared to those other QB's???

If you miss a pass - if you throw an interception..your passer rating goes down right? If you barely play any games and your coach is too afraid to let you toss the ball because your arm is atrocious...yes you can gain some nice passer rating points...

Using these stats to compare Tebow's performance with a full time FULL SEASON QB that has to actually THROW the ball is like comparing Mother Theresa to a Bangkok hooker.

[SuckOnThis]

This pretty much sums it up.....

"When the Broncos defense was on the field, offensive coaches would often tell Tebow the first series of plays they wanted to run when the team got the ball back. Tebow would nod, and they'd separate. And then, invariably, a short while later he'd ask for the information again. Sometimes this ritual would repeat right up until Tebow had to duck into the huddle and call the play. As a result, despite starting only 11 games in 2011, Tebow was flagged for delay of game an NFL-high seven times. Worse still was the fact that, according to scouts, Tebow almost never audibled because he struggled to quickly and properly read defenses. And of all the deadly sins Tebow committed against quarterbacking, this was the worst: lacking the self-awareness to recognize and fix these shortcomings. Maybe the most shocking part of Tebowmania isn't that he has been cast out of the NFL after just three years but that he lasted as long as he did."

[Major (Tom)]

Tebow needs to play for the saints. 1. There will be no qb controversy. 2. He could learn from Brees. 3. The city itself is too full of distractions: it might take the Jesus out of him a bit & make him likable to the rest of the planet.
Ds

[kane]

Originally Posted by adendreams

Even more wildly skewed and absurd logic that I guessed... NEWSFLASH - he barely EVER threw the football - How many snaps did he take compared to those other QB's???

If you miss a pass - if you throw an interception..your passer rating goes down right? If you barely play any games and your coach is too afraid to let you toss the ball because your arm is atrocious...yes you can gain some nice passer rating points...

Using these stats to compare Tebow's performance with a full time FULL SEASON QB that has to actually THROW the ball is like comparing Mother Theresa to a Bangkok hooker.

When you expand it out over their first 23 games (this is how many Tebow played in Denver):

Tebow completed 167 of 360 passes for 2400 yards 17 td 8int he also had 900 yards of rushing and 12 rushing tds.

Manning competed 359 of 690 for 4400 yards 28 td and 24 int. Manning doesn't run so he only had about 20 yards of rushing.

This does show that the passer rating isn't everything. Clearly Manning throws a lot more passes.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to make Tebow out as some kind of great football player. By all accounts the mechanics of his throwing motion make it hard for him to throw accurately and release the ball quickly which, at this level, is something a QB must be able to do to. However, he does add in the run threat that some offenses like. What I am getting at it that, to me, he doesn't look so terrible that someone wouldn't want to take a chance on him especially when you see how many other guys have hung around the league when they were clearly not good and given chance after chance to live up to their "potential."

SuckonThis might be on to something. Maybe he simply isn't smart enough to play the position or maybe he isn't willing to put in the work that it takes to be a pro QB. I just think it is something other than his ability to throw the ball that is causing teams to stay away from him. I personally think his religion, his reputation and the cult of personality that comes with him is what is keeping teams away.

If I were the GM of a team with an established QB and a good coaching staff in place and I could get Tebow for the right price AND he understood that he would be coming her to ride the bench and rework the mechanics of his throwing, I think it would be worth doing if the decision were based just on athletics alone. The guy is a two time NCAA champ, he knows how to win and if he can be "coached up" he could have some serious potential.

However, if it were the same situation and I was afraid that every day was going to bring questions about Tebow, his faith, his virginity, when he is going to start etc and his being there was going to cause a distraction I might pass.