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maybe, maybe not, BUT HITLER did NOT campaign on a overt spiritual platform like a Christian or Muslim would in a religious organization...

yes but remember Bill was high on LAD when they wrote that shit :)

in a spiritual way it is easier to allow than disallow... i.e. it is easier to let your hand fall open that hold a closed fist.. so I allow an unregulated G_D in my life and accept the benefits.. and make the payments :winkwink:

Nope he was a cult leader brain washing his populous .

a lot of truth in his comment, imo.


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the concept of God is in our heads before we even begin school. my parents weren't religious, the only time i heard the word 'God' was when i did something bad and my mom would issue a threat 'God help you..........' like I'll need God's help if she got her hands on me. Almost a death threat if you think about it, I should have called Child Protective Services.

But I already knew there was a God and figured he must exist. I got it from TV, movies, cartoons.

I think you might like to read this: http://theageofblasphemy.wordpress.c...m-as-religion/

I'm an atheist, I don't agree with communism. I've always believed that.

Just look at the way dictators like to try and promote the belief that they are immortal. They are "all powerful" etc. and that is why they removed religion and made atheism their official "religion".

Religion is herpes...it's the motherfucking chlamydia of this species. It's downright embarrassing to be human sometimes.

all that stuff is rationalization after the fact.. if Billy Graham, or Al Sharpton had run for president you would know right way what was going on... like the Muslim Brotherhood in the middle east. ain't no doubt in anyone's mind what is going on, not going to take 60 years to figure it out :2 cents:

what did god say when you touched little Sally's 'underthere' in second grade?

I believe all children are born atheists. Think about it.

The word itself "god" is thrown about alot. I say for god sake, or holy shit, or fucking hell.
I'm trying to lose the swear words, and just say fuck sake, shit, or fucking bollocks.

Those who use religion as an excuse to do evil against their fellow man will find another excuse in the absence of religion.

honestly it would be more believable that Bill is the author had that been in the 12x12, the big book was written by committee with Bill stealing the copyright after the fact.

Bill accomplished this by selling the unbound pages of the book voiding the AA copyright. Bill then placed the copyright in his own name and then lived of the rights for the rest of his life.

at least this is my understanding.... as they say listen to the message not the messenger.. Bill was pure scum top to bottom

do you believe all children are born bisexual as well?

That's not the Marxist reason for atheism. Marx called religion the opiate of the masses, believed that it was a tool used by the capitalist overlords to make the workers more at peace with their horrid lives by promising them there was a reward for them in the afterlife.

yes they will and that's the sad fact of it all...

i wasnt really impressed. like most critics. he tears apart an idea but offers no alternative thats better. & he said nothing as to my question - what force pushes evolution?

time, survival :2 cents:

it doesn't really matter here what type of alchoholic bill was, the quote rings true for me so i included it here. it speaks to the essence of what we all perceive god to be, it has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with you being the center of your universe.

:1orglaugh Sorry.

No, all children are born non-sexual and/or gender neutral.

I think by second grade I had already become a major sceptic. When I was maybe 4, I asked my Dad one day who at the time wasn't home a lot busy with his career, 'Who are you?' - in a deep voice he replied 'I am God', I wasn't sure, then he pointed a finger in my face and said 'And that makes you Jesus' - I was like 'WTF', it threw me for a loop, wasn't sure if he was kidding or not. Somebody had to be God and Jesus, why not us :1orglaugh

I remember having a bizarre concept of God as a man's face in the sky in a scribbled artistic style and he looked like Dick Tracy from the comic strip that was in the newspaper.

Could not disagree more.

yes I agree and did my step work out of the 12x12 even though I got clean in NA ... don't live big, live basic :winkwink:

that's awesome :thumbsup

Ok, I'll go along with that. I need to dig deeper into the religious thoughts of communists. Marx was first a protestant though.

Hitler is also mentioned often, looking over Hitler's beliefs, it's hard to not call him a Christian.

In his writings on Hitler's recurrent religious images and symbols, Kenneth Burke concluded that "Hitler's modes of thought are nothing more than perverted or caricatured forms of religious thought" [51]

I don't believe any of these dogmatic and totalitarian people such as Mao etc. Who are being used to try and justify for religion, are true atheists or humanists.

emphasis on step work. too few aa'ers think it's about goint to meetings.

As idiotic as it was for the US Gov to give Scientology full tax exempt status as a "Real" Religion - it's kind of a nice indictment on religion as a whole...Just make some shit up - and if enough people are gullible enough to believe it PRESTO you have yourself a bonafide religion!

Pretty much!

I remember people who used to put Jedi down on the census and in polls :1orglaugh

humanity has an inner need for event driven spirituality... unlike actual spirituality which is a very slow process... one of the first documented examples of this is Moses and the Golden Calf

hence the need for loud proclamations of faith, large dramatic events, miracles and charismatic leaders with simple, yet bold ideology's... and usually someone or group to lay the blame on to replace or supplement the more traditional religious focuses of a society.

you may refer to the Nazi's or Communism as religions however while both organizations function the same on some levels and fulfill the same needs I wouldn't say that either Nazi's or Communism is a religion.

so the question is---- has religion, organized religion, done more good or bad over time?

i would argue that regardless of how many people have died due to religion, religion is simply an excuse for human's desire to kill each other.

if we hadn't invented religion as an excuse to kill and maim each other, we would have invented something else to satisfy that basic human urge.

right there.

I would say that religion has done no more harm or good that 'scientific progress' on the whole... one issue any culture faces is to survive it's technological advancements. there are many examples though time of cultures that have not... while our current situation as a people might seem to be religious in nature or a clash or religious ideology's the real culprit to my mind is almost instant communication across the globe which allows various points of view to be manipulated in a way that has never been possible before...

lol, i was just arguing the same point irl the other day. all of these arab springs, and peeps hating on america, et al, etc are direct consequences of instant communication/internet.

This is true, humans don't need religion to justify killing, history is filled with wars, conquering other people for the sake of conquering and enslaving, for dominance,for riches, for power, land and whatever else.

The Arab/Jew fight in the Middle East really isn't about religion. It's more politics. The Arabs fighting between each other is more religious/class based.

I still think religion has caused more harm than good. And the good it does could be achieved without religion.

yeah, the argument pretty much fails when you peel it down another layer, organized religion's basic tenets are the same across all of them, try and do good, yet the body count doesn't really support that.

where have we been transported to?

this is the gfy. we're supposed to be
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instead we're

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Another religion bashing thread on GFY.... yawn... it would be nice to hear from the other side of the argument - where are all the jesus freaks? Surely there must be some porn webmasters brave enough to chime in and say they believe in God or Jesus or Xenu...No? Santa? Tooth Fairy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Templar

this book gives an interesting view on religion and why so many people need it

go on! :1orglaugh