Why an Atheist or Agnostic view is true....... Some random thoughts :)

[Si]

I don't want to piss off the jews, muslims, christians, mentally challenged on this board. But, if god existed, did he write a book for the dinosaurs? And no, cavemen never lived alongside the dinosaurs.

Stick that in your religious pipe and smoke it.

Now let's get on with life as humans and respect our fellow people

[spunky99]

[PR_Glen]

yeah I had that same argument myself... when I was seven...

Maybe we can find a better way to find peace amongst us in a manner that doesn't involve ridicule and finger pointing instead?

[Si]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

yeah I had that same argument myself... when I was seven...

Maybe we can find a better way to find peace amongst us in a manner that doesn't involve ridicule and finger pointing instead?

What you talking about? I'm pointing at you!

It would be good to, wouldn't it? Shame most religions seem to be hell bent on preaching their message.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by Si

I don't want to piss off the jews, muslims, christians, mentally challenged on this board. But, if god existed, did he write a book for the dinosaurs? And no, cavemen never lived alongside the dinosaurs.

Stick that in your religious pipe and smoke it.

Now let's get on with life as humans and respect our fellow people

Epiphany time!

[Si]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Epiphany time!

I'm just ranting, getting fed up with all the religious shit spread about. Jehovas piss me off the most, what makes them believe they can knock on my door and not be told to fuck off?

[mardigras]

Originally Posted by Si

I'm just ranting, getting fed up with all the religious shit spread about. Jehovas piss me off the most, what makes them believe they can knock on my door and not be told to fuck off?

I never have to worry about them. My dog loves to lay in the front window "on watch". It takes her about 2 seconds to shoot across the room and out the doggie door. Last person to ignore the "Beware of dog" sign on the gate was a politician. She let him step inside before the ambush. I bet he paid attention next time he saw such a sign

[Best-In-BC]

Real eyes, realize, real lies.

[arock10]

Dinosaurs = liberal plot

[Jel]

#1 problem today in the world is ego. Religious egos for thinking they need to prove they're right, non-religious egos for thinking they need to prove them wrong. The list goes on and on and on, but I'm too lazy to give more examples.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

ADG

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by Jel

#1 problem today in the world is ego. Religious egos for thinking they need to prove they're right, non-religious egos for thinking they need to prove them wrong. The list goes on and on and on, but I'm too lazy to give more examples.

Ummm, religion is our #1 problem and people who are religious should be laughed at for believing in a story as real, Im sorry but the stupidity in ignoring it as it destroys our world is mind blowing.

[lezinterracial]

Ahhh, You drug me in.

Just my 2 cents.
But I don't believe getting rid of religion will stop wars. Seems like people that believe in evolution would believe that too. Cavemen bashed each others heads in for property and women. Religion is just an excuse to act.

The Viking religion was based on war and taking what you want. Heaven is everyone drinking,feasting, and killing each other every day.

"If Men are so wicked as we now see them with Religion what would they be if without it?" - Benjamin Franklin (porn fiend)

[Best-In-BC]

We would be a civilization that is based on scientific fact and all the thoughts that keep us in this mess wont be there. Its appalling that you cant see how ovous religion is that its our main problem. Its the act of allowing something so fake in your life as fact which makes way for all sorts of selfish acts since its easy'er to believe in a second peace of bullshit after you have already accept the first bit.

And Benjamin Franklin Didn't want the US to have anything to do with any organized religion.

The Vikings had a huge religion with many gods, there hole civ was not just about smash and grab, lol, you from the UK or something ?

[Jel]

Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

Ummm, religion is our #1 problem and people who are religious should be laughed at for believing in a story as real, Im sorry but the stupidity in ignoring it as it destroys our world is mind blowing.

no, it's ego. Unless you are saying ALL religious people are war-mongering idiots etc. That's obviously an absurd thing to believe (and who cares wtf the absurd things peaceful, kind, etc religious people believe in - I see it as a placebo thing really - if that's what they like to 'take', fair play to them), so it boils down to the person/groups who are hateful and ego-driven who want to kill all the infidels, blah blah blah.

Just as ego-driven is the need everywhere to be so overtly anti-religion as to be just as bad as the religious extremists. The stupidity in failing to see the difference between peaceful and not so peaceful religious people is mind blowing.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

We would be a civilization that is based on scientific fact and all the thoughts that keep us in this mess wont be there.

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[Best-In-BC]

Well, find me a ground that's not religious or believes in fake shit that kills. oh, btw, good luck. You blame ego, I blame Religion, it is after all, what is telling them its ok to do it and if not, they always know they can ask for forgiveness.

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by Jel

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you are no way being serious with that

Why not, or you that kind of "person" that doesn't believe in science .

[Best-In-BC]

Jel, I think you and I could have one heck of a conversation , Its not that I dont agree with you in that ego is a major issue, my point is just another part of ourself I find the main issue. I think our talking points would probley wind up with very similar foundations . What im saying I respect your option.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Si

What you talking about? I'm pointing at you!

It would be good to, wouldn't it? Shame most religions seem to be hell bent on preaching their message.

religion is like homosexuality... they both recruit

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

yeah I had that same argument myself... when I was seven...

yeah that sums up the insight and intellect on this forum for sure...

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Si

I'm just ranting, getting fed up with all the religious shit spread about. Jehovas piss me off the most, what makes them believe they can knock on my door and not be told to fuck off?

you have every right to tell them to fuck off... what's the big deal? you shy or something???

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

Ummm, religion is our #1 problem and people who are religious should be laughed at for believing in a story as real, Im sorry but the stupidity in ignoring it as it destroys our world is mind blowing.

so you're saying the Nazi's in WWII wasn't really a problem at all because it wasn't religious? the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, Stalin in Russia... no issue because it was just science and shit.. right?

in reality religion isn't the issue... the issue is people forcing their way of life and beliefs on others.....

back to the drawing board with you big boy...

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

religion is like homosexuality... they both recruit

Is that how you justify it?

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Is that how you justify it?

justify what? have no real interest in either to be honest about it...

[Jel]

Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

Well, find me a ground that's not religious or believes in fake shit that kills. oh, btw, good luck. You blame ego, I blame Religion, it is after all, what is telling them its ok to do it and if not, they always know they can ask for forgiveness.

If it was religion, each and every religious person would be out on the warpath. They aren't, so purely by a process of elimination, it's another deciding factor.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

Why not, or you that kind of "person" that doesn't believe in science .

because I don't believe religion in and of itself is the 'problem'? As for why not - issues like greed, jealousy, and all the other things that are ego-based, would still be present.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

Jel, I think you and I could have one heck of a conversation , Its not that I dont agree with you in that ego is a major issue, my point is just another part of ourself I find the main issue. I think our talking points would probley wind up with very similar foundations . What im saying I respect your option.

Tbh, I think 99% of people agree with 99% of people, it's merely the vantage points that are usually at different places. That in itself leads to bickering - something I'm a master of lol - when like I say, we're mostly fundamentally the same

And cheers, although it doesn't always come over in my posts (I tend to slip into gfy mode), I respect everyone's opinions, for the most part There's not really right or wrong viewpoints, just different ones

[Jel]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

the issue is people forcing their way of life and beliefs on others.....

spot on, and that, is ego

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by Jel

no, it's ego. Unless you are saying ALL religious people are war-mongering idiots etc. That's obviously an absurd thing to believe (and who cares wtf the absurd things peaceful, kind, etc religious people believe in - I see it as a placebo thing really - if that's what they like to 'take', fair play to them), so it boils down to the person/groups who are hateful and ego-driven who want to kill all the infidels, blah blah blah.

Just as ego-driven is the need everywhere to be so overtly anti-religion as to be just as bad as the religious extremists. The stupidity in failing to see the difference between peaceful and not so peaceful religious people is mind blowing.

religion is an extension of ego, in my opinion. the idea that man thinks he can really have any idea of what is before and after this life (if anything) is evidence of this. atheism is still a 'reigion' to me, its still a firm belief of something even if that something is nothing. i don't think it really matters if religious people are peaceful or not, they are still pushing ideas that have slaughtered and marginalized millions of people. i don't agree with straight out atheism either. fact is we don't know and will never know, everyone should just accept that. and to those who are so low on the evolutionary scale that without religion they turn into animals, just kill yourself now. evolution would thank you.

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by Jel

Tbh, I think 99% of people agree with 99% of people, it's merely the vantage points that are usually at different places. That in itself leads to bickering - something I'm a master of lol - when like I say, we're mostly fundamentally the same

And cheers, although it doesn't always come over in my posts (I tend to slip into gfy mode), I respect everyone's opinions, for the most part There's not really right or wrong viewpoints, just different ones

I agree

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

so you're saying the Nazi's in WWII wasn't really a problem at all because it wasn't religious? the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, Stalin in Russia... no issue because it was just science and shit.. right?

No, it was rebellious beliefs, you know that the nazi's had there own cult shit going right ?

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

religion is an extension of ego, in my opinion. the idea that man thinks he can really have any idea of what is before and after this life (if anything) is evidence of this. atheism is still a 'reigion' to me, its still a firm belief of something even if that something is nothing. i don't think it really matters if religious people are peaceful or not, they are still pushing ideas that have slaughtered and marginalized millions of people. i don't agree with straight out atheism either. fact is we don't know and will never know, everyone should just accept that. and to those who are so low on the evolutionary scale that without religion they turn into animals, just kill yourself now. evolution would thank you.

A true atheist has no hard belief on what happens before or after life, its everything else we think we can explain, and for the most part, we pretty much can, there will always be question but we are way past the point of believing in a mythical being created us, its the last possible outcome on a very large list. And yeah, I dont believe in god but it would be just as arrogant for me to say there is one than there isnt.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

religion is an extension of ego, in my opinion. the idea that man thinks he can really have any idea of what is before and after this life (if anything) is evidence of this. atheism is still a 'reigion' to me, its still a firm belief of something even if that something is nothing. i don't think it really matters if religious people are peaceful or not, they are still pushing ideas that have slaughtered and marginalized millions of people. i don't agree with straight out atheism either. fact is we don't know and will never know, everyone should just accept that. and to those who are so low on the evolutionary scale that without religion they turn into animals, just kill yourself now. evolution would thank you.

Completely agree.

[Joshua G]

religion & the existence of god are 2 different subjects to me.

religion is a human construct created to control people & to answer questions humans could not answer for the thousands of years of civilizations.

but does God even exist is a much more interesting question. I have always leaned to the answer no. But intelligent design really makes me think twice.

For we all know as humans that our complicated things we create do not spontaneously create themselves. They all have intelligent designers, & hard work to build & maintain them.

so how is it possible that a thing as complicated as DNA, & the human brain, were created spontaneously?

[dyna mo]

?For deep down in Every man, woman, and child, is the fundamental idea of God.?


Bill W. The Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous, We Agnostics, pg. 55

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

religion & the existence of god are 2 different subjects to me.

religion is a human construct created to control people & to answer questions humans could not answer for the thousands of years of civilizations.

but does God even exist is a much more interesting question. I have always leaned to the answer no. But intelligent design really makes me think twice.

For we all know as humans that our complicated things we create do not spontaneously create themselves. They all have intelligent designers, & hard work to build & maintain them.

so how is it possible that a thing as complicated as DNA, & the human brain, were created spontaneously?

Neil Degrasse Tyson on 'Intelligent Design'

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

?For deep down in Every man, woman, and child, is the fundamental idea of God.?


Bill W. The Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous, We Agnostics, pg. 55

which translates to

?For deep down in Every man, woman, and child, is the fear there is nothing else but us.?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Mutt

which translates to

?For deep down in Every man, woman, and child, is the fear there is nothing else but us.?

the fear from a realization that each one of us is god.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

religion is an extension of ego, in my opinion.

yes, as is pretty much everything. ego > whatever > problem.

imho.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

the fear from a realization that each one of us is god.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

No, it was rebellious beliefs, you know that the nazi's had there own cult shit going right ?

maybe, maybe not, BUT HITLER did NOT campaign on a overt spiritual platform like a Christian or Muslim would in a religious organization...

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

?For deep down in Every man, woman, and child, is the fundamental idea of God.?


Bill W. The Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous, We Agnostics, pg. 55

yes but remember Bill was high on LAD when they wrote that shit

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

religion & the existence of god are 2 different subjects to me.

religion is a human construct created to control people & to answer questions humans could not answer for the thousands of years of civilizations.

but does God even exist is a much more interesting question. I have always leaned to the answer no. But intelligent design really makes me think twice.

For we all know as humans that our complicated things we create do not spontaneously create themselves. They all have intelligent designers, & hard work to build & maintain them.

so how is it possible that a thing as complicated as DNA, & the human brain, were created spontaneously?

in a spiritual way it is easier to allow than disallow... i.e. it is easier to let your hand fall open that hold a closed fist.. so I allow an unregulated G_D in my life and accept the benefits.. and make the payments

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

maybe, maybe not, BUT HITLER did NOT campaign on a overt spiritual platform like a Christian or Muslim would in a religious organization...

Nope he was a cult leader brain washing his populous .

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

yes but remember Bill was high on LAD when they wrote that shit

a lot of truth in his comment, imo.


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[Mutt]

the concept of God is in our heads before we even begin school. my parents weren't religious, the only time i heard the word 'God' was when i did something bad and my mom would issue a threat 'God help you..........' like I'll need God's help if she got her hands on me. Almost a death threat if you think about it, I should have called Child Protective Services.

But I already knew there was a God and figured he must exist. I got it from TV, movies, cartoons.

[Si]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

so you're saying the Nazi's in WWII wasn't really a problem at all because it wasn't religious? the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, Stalin in Russia... no issue because it was just science and shit.. right?

in reality religion isn't the issue... the issue is people forcing their way of life and beliefs on others.....

back to the drawing board with you big boy...

I think you might like to read this: http://theageofblasphemy.wordpress.c...m-as-religion/

I'm an atheist, I don't agree with communism. I've always believed that.

Just look at the way dictators like to try and promote the belief that they are immortal. They are "all powerful" etc. and that is why they removed religion and made atheism their official "religion".

[adendreams]

Religion is herpes...it's the motherfucking chlamydia of this species. It's downright embarrassing to be human sometimes.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

Nope he was a cult leader brain washing his populous .

all that stuff is rationalization after the fact.. if Billy Graham, or Al Sharpton had run for president you would know right way what was going on... like the Muslim Brotherhood in the middle east. ain't no doubt in anyone's mind what is going on, not going to take 60 years to figure it out