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  • Vendzilla
    Biker Gnome
    • Mar 2004
    • 23200

    #46
    Originally posted by crockett
    Also on the oil drilling you are slightly mis-informed. In fact the US is now producing more oil under Obama than it did under Bush. I know that doesn't fit your agenda, but facts are facts.

    http://www.npr.org/2012/01/24/145719...lling-ramps-up

    Yes, Bush drilled for more oil during his presidency but that trend has continued under Obama. Each year we are producing more and more. It didn't suddenly just turn off when Obama took office, no matter what nonsense you want to believe.
    Yeah, they are drilling more, Because of BUSH and CLINTON, not the idiot and chief!
    It takes time for those permits to go from permit to drilling
    Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
    think about that

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    • Vendzilla
      Biker Gnome
      • Mar 2004
      • 23200

      #47
      http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medial...t/table-01.pdf

      During the last three fiscal years totally under Bush, there were 9,661 "new leases" granted for federal lands. For the three most recent fiscal years (which includes a few months of Bush's administration), there were 5,568 such new leases. This works out to a 42.4% decrease.
      Take the same comparable periods for drilling permits on federal lands. There were 20,479 for the last three years under Bush, then 12,821 for the most recent three including much of Obama's first term. This is a 37.4% decrease
      Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
      think about that

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      • Rochard
        Jägermeister Test Pilot
        • Dec 2001
        • 75733

        #48
        Originally posted by Vendzilla
        Blaming Bush for everything is getting old.
        The downfall happened under Bush, not Obama. Bush dragged our country down to an all time low - he raised the deficit, lowered income, AND destroyed the economy.

        Originally posted by Vendzilla
        Under Bush, the price dropped from a high point, still waiting for under Obama...
        Not true. When Bush took office gas was $1.83 a gallon. When he left office, the average price of gas was $3.41. The price of gas under Bush almost doubled during his term. Meanwhile, gas dropped down to $2.43 while Obama was in office.


        Originally posted by Vendzilla
        ...oil drilling permit approvals on federal land has been the lowest in recent history....
        We discussed this during the debates when Romney said this. It wasn't true then, and it's not true now. Permits are down, but oil production on federal land is up - 14% according to fact check.
        Last edited by Rochard; 05-27-2013, 10:37 AM.
        Herschel Savage
        Brooklyn, NY

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        • Rochard
          Jägermeister Test Pilot
          • Dec 2001
          • 75733

          #49
          Originally posted by Vendzilla
          http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medial...t/table-01.pdf

          During the last three fiscal years totally under Bush, there were 9,661 "new leases" granted for federal lands. For the three most recent fiscal years (which includes a few months of Bush's administration), there were 5,568 such new leases. This works out to a 42.4% decrease.
          Take the same comparable periods for drilling permits on federal lands. There were 20,479 for the last three years under Bush, then 12,821 for the most recent three including much of Obama's first term. This is a 37.4% decrease
          Great, permits are down. But oil production is up.

          http://factcheck.org/2012/10/obamas-drilling-denials/

          Oil production in areas under federal jurisdiction increased under Obama. We again compared the last three full fiscal years of Bush?s term with the next three years, a period that falls almost entirely under Obama?s time in office

          Oil production on federal lands and in federal waters grew by 14 percent ? or 241 million barrels of oil ? during that time (see table 2).

          (The increase is 15 percent when we exclude fiscal year 2009 and compare fiscal years 2007 and 2008 with 2010 and 2011.)
          Herschel Savage
          Brooklyn, NY

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          • _Richard_
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • Oct 2006
            • 30991

            #50
            Originally posted by Rochard
            We discussed this during the debates when Romney said this. It wasn't true then, and it's not true now. Permits are down, but oil production on federal land is up - 14% according to fact check.

            The number one rule of GFY is to check your facts before posting. Clearly you aren't doing this.
            is that due to oil company 'consolidation'? any idea why there'd be 40% less permits and more production?

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            • Rochard
              Jägermeister Test Pilot
              • Dec 2001
              • 75733

              #51
              Originally posted by _Richard_
              is that due to oil company 'consolidation'? any idea why there'd be 40% less permits and more production?
              Permits came screaming to a halt due to the 2010 Deepwater Horizon oil spill.

              This is nothing more than cherry picking stats. One sides picks a date range that produces stats that is favorable to their argument and ignores the rest. They picked a date range when permits dropped due to an environmental disaster and ignore that fact that oil production went up during the same period.
              Herschel Savage
              Brooklyn, NY

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              • Vendzilla
                Biker Gnome
                • Mar 2004
                • 23200

                #52
                Originally posted by Rochard
                Great, permits are down. But oil production is up.

                http://factcheck.org/2012/10/obamas-drilling-denials/
                Oil production is up because of permits issued by Bush and Clinton on federal land

                permits on private and state land are up.

                That's why
                Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                think about that

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                • crockett
                  in a van by the river
                  • May 2003
                  • 76818

                  #53
                  Originally posted by _Richard_
                  is that due to oil company 'consolidation'? any idea why there'd be 40% less permits and more production?
                  Well for starters, new land isn't just coming out of no where.. Unless we take over Canada there isn't any new BLM land to just give away to the oil companies like they would like.

                  See the right thinks just because there is govt owned land, that oil companies should have access to all of it for their profit taking. The Right fails to realize that federal land is owned by the citizens of this country for their usage not just big oil's.

                  Therefore when Obama decided it wasn't worth the risk of damaging much of this environmentally sensitive land forever when compared to the oil it would produce. Obama decided the best option was to protect the federal land so that all US citizens could enjoy it and not just let big oil ruin it while gouging the American pubic.

                  Added bonus even Jeb Bush whom was a Republican Governor of Florida was against drilling off the Fl coast due to the negative impact it would have on Florida tourism. Not to mention the environmental issues that would occur if a spill took place.

                  God damn Liberal Jeb Bush I bet he even runs for President in 2016. Fucking Commie not letting big oil have their way! Oust him!
                  Last edited by crockett; 05-27-2013, 11:36 AM.
                  In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                  • _Richard_
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Oct 2006
                    • 30991

                    #54
                    Originally posted by Rochard
                    Permits came screaming to a halt due to the 2010 Deepwater Horizon oil spill.

                    This is nothing more than cherry picking stats. One sides picks a date range that produces stats that is favorable to their argument and ignores the rest. They picked a date range when permits dropped due to an environmental disaster and ignore that fact that oil production went up during the same period.
                    riiiiiiight that makes sense

                    Originally posted by crockett
                    Well for starters, new land isn't just coming out of no where.. Unless we take over Canada there isn't any new BLM land to just give away to the oil companies like they would like.

                    See the right thinks just because there is govt owned land, that oil companies should have access to all of it for their profit taking. The Right fails to realize that federal land is owned by the citizens of this country for their usage not just big oil's.

                    Therefore when Obama decided it wasn't worth the risk of damaging much of this environmentally sensitive land forever when compared to the oil it would produce. Obama decided the best option was to protect the federal land so that all US citizens could enjoy it and not just let big oil ruin it while gouging the American pubic.

                    Added bonus even Jeb Bush whom was a Republican Governor of Florida was against drilling off the Fl coast due to the negative impact it would have on Florida tourism. Not to mention the environmental issues that would occur if a spill took place.

                    God damn Liberal Jeb Bush I bet he even runs for President in 2016. Fucking Commie not letting big oil have their way! Oust him!
                    i thought the land right issue was a universal problem.. so mineral rights etc
                    Last edited by _Richard_; 05-27-2013, 11:40 AM.

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                    • crockett
                      in a van by the river
                      • May 2003
                      • 76818

                      #55
                      Originally posted by Vendzilla
                      Oil production is up because of permits issued by Bush and Clinton on federal land

                      permits on private and state land are up.

                      That's why
                      Oil production is up because of Fracking.. Which is it's own subject of how bad that is going to fuck up the world's water supplies.

                      Simply put fracking allows them to get oil that they could never get before. Oil that we have a lot of in this country but they couldn't get it it until technology caught up. Canada also has a lot of this oil that is only available via fracking.
                      In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                      • Vendzilla
                        Biker Gnome
                        • Mar 2004
                        • 23200

                        #56
                        Originally posted by crockett
                        Oil production is up because of Fracking.. Which is it's own subject of how bad that is going to fuck up the world's water supplies.

                        Simply put fracking allows them to get oil that they could never get before. Oil that we have a lot of in this country but they couldn't get it it until technology caught up. Canada also has a lot of this oil that is only available via fracking.
                        I know all about the Oil Fracking in North Dakota
                        Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                        think about that

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                        • _Richard_
                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 30991

                          #57
                          Originally posted by crockett
                          Oil production is up because of Fracking.. Which is it's own subject of how bad that is going to fuck up the world's water supplies.

                          Simply put fracking allows them to get oil that they could never get before. Oil that we have a lot of in this country but they couldn't get it it until technology caught up. Canada also has a lot of this oil that is only available via fracking.
                          hear about the fracking truck that set off the radiation detector at the dump?

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                          • Vendzilla
                            Biker Gnome
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 23200

                            #58
                            Originally posted by _Richard_
                            hear about the fracking truck that set off the radiation detector at the dump?
                            I talked to a truck driver that works for one of the fracking companies, he makes $80 an hour driving a truck....
                            Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                            think about that

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                            • Rochard
                              Jägermeister Test Pilot
                              • Dec 2001
                              • 75733

                              #59
                              Originally posted by Vendzilla
                              Oil production is up because of permits issued by Bush and Clinton on federal land

                              permits on private and state land are up.

                              That's why
                              So permits on private land and state land is up, but down on federal land. Production is up. Basically, you are trying to make a point about nothing.

                              Oil production is up under Obama. Period.
                              Herschel Savage
                              Brooklyn, NY

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                              • _Richard_
                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                • Oct 2006
                                • 30991

                                #60
                                Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                I talked to a truck driver that works for one of the fracking companies, he makes $80 an hour driving a truck....
                                those mercenary guys make $1000 a day

                                apparently you gotta have no issues firing blindly into crowds.. but it sure puts food on the table

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