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  • Michael O
    More Cowbell
    • Jul 2001
    • 10607

    #46
    My thoughts.
    What IRS did were out of line there is as many groups on boths sides that are seeking tax exceptions and they targetted one side. My guess is that it were a couple of mid level guys thinking this up over a wet lunch.

    AP WAY out of line if they needed information in the holy name of national security they could have contacted AP and if it really were a matter of national security or an iminent threat I am sure AP would at least have partially cooporated.

    Benghazi only Faux News cares about this you can only beat a horse to death once but they are still going because until this week it were the only big issue they had, now they have a little more ammunition.

    The US is so polarized its either right or wrong, left or right, yes or no, the best thing that could happen is a 3rd party someone who will work with both sides to keep the extremist ON BOTH SIDES out.

    Oh and if above didn't make it clear I am waaaaaaaay to the left ;)

    Sorry but I have a right to have an opinion because US politics affects the whole world that is something the US took upon themselves and effects my life so I can comment.
    Truth Teller

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    • Robbie
      Leaner, Meaner, Faster
      • Aug 2002
      • 20960

      #47
      Originally posted by crockett
      The only outrageous thing about this entire scandal is the fact the IRS was actually doing it's job.
      Do you even have any idea of what happened?

      Do you not realize that the IRS targeted specific groups...and THEN passed on their information to liberal "media" groups (completely illegal).

      Don't you understand that one day there will be another Republican president and if this is "okay" now....it will be "okay" then too?

      Don't you understand WHY Pres. Obama fired the head of the IRS a couple of days ago?

      And you think it's because the IRS was "actually doing it's job"

      You need to understand what happened before continuing to comment.

      And I'd like to know...since when did the American people suddenly start loving the IRS and the tax man?
      Strange times we are living in...so-called "Liberals" calling for MORE govt. intrusion into their lives, more govt. control of their lives, and more taxes.

      You guys certainly aren't what I grew up as liberal being.
      We were anti-war, pro-freedom, pro-drug legalization, pro-choice, anti-govt.

      Watch some old youtube videos of young people in the 1960's and 1970's protesting against the govt.
      Maybe it will inspire some of you neo-liberals to understand.
      -Robbie
      ClaudiaMarie.Com

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      • tony286
        lurker
        • Aug 2002
        • 57021

        #48
        Originally posted by Robbie
        Do you even have any idea of what happened?

        Do you not realize that the IRS targeted specific groups...and THEN passed on their information to liberal "media" groups (completely illegal).

        Don't you understand that one day there will be another Republican president and if this is "okay" now....it will be "okay" then too?

        Don't you understand WHY Pres. Obama fired the head of the IRS a couple of days ago?

        And you think it's because the IRS was "actually doing it's job"

        You need to understand what happened before continuing to comment.

        And I'd like to know...since when did the American people suddenly start loving the IRS and the tax man?
        Strange times we are living in...so-called "Liberals" calling for MORE govt. intrusion into their lives, more govt. control of their lives, and more taxes.

        You guys certainly aren't what I grew up as liberal being.
        We were anti-war, pro-freedom, pro-drug legalization, pro-choice, anti-govt.

        Watch some old youtube videos of young people in the 1960's and 1970's protesting against the govt.
        Maybe it will inspire some of you neo-liberals to understand.
        They were protesting the War where they were being drafted to die.

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        • crockett
          in a van by the river
          • May 2003
          • 76818

          #49
          Originally posted by Robbie
          Do you even have any idea of what happened?

          Do you not realize that the IRS targeted specific groups...and THEN passed on their information to liberal "media" groups (completely illegal).

          Don't you understand that one day there will be another Republican president and if this is "okay" now....it will be "okay" then too?

          Don't you understand WHY Pres. Obama fired the head of the IRS a couple of days ago?

          And you think it's because the IRS was "actually doing it's job"

          You need to understand what happened before continuing to comment.

          And I'd like to know...since when did the American people suddenly start loving the IRS and the tax man?
          Strange times we are living in...so-called "Liberals" calling for MORE govt. intrusion into their lives, more govt. control of their lives, and more taxes.

          You guys certainly aren't what I grew up as liberal being.
          We were anti-war, pro-freedom, pro-drug legalization, pro-choice, anti-govt.

          Watch some old youtube videos of young people in the 1960's and 1970's protesting against the govt.
          Maybe it will inspire some of you neo-liberals to understand.
          I've never said I was a liberal.. That is the catch all attempt the right wing uses as an attempt to belittle or degrade people whom don't share their same views. It would be the same as me calling every right winger a neo conservative.

          I have liberal views on some subjects and I have conservative views on some subjects. I consider my self an American, not a liberal or conservative.

          I just find my self more at odds with the right wing in this country because they are more worried about trying to make the other side look bad vs actually trying to fix problems or make the govt work. They would rather destroy this country than have the other side do well.

          Both sides are shit, it's just the right smells much worse, than the left.

          The right will destroy this country if they are left to do it. The Bush and Cheney tag team came very close to doing just that. The Left, while no where near perfect at least can be contained.

          As far as the IRS chief, he's just the guy in charge. so if heads roll his is likely he first.. I don't think however this was any vast conspiracy as the right is trying to portray it.

          I think the FBI agents added 1+1 and came up with 2. If your job is to audit all these new groups likely knowing most are political in origin, then the ones that scream out first are obviously going to make a bigger target.

          Tea Party was a well known political group by that time, so it's very easy to see why groups with that name were chosen to be scrutinized.
          Last edited by crockett; 05-17-2013, 11:07 AM.
          In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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          • crockett
            in a van by the river
            • May 2003
            • 76818

            #50
            edit.. I did it again.. called them FBI.. obviously I mean IRS.. lol
            In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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            • KillerK
              Confirmed User
              • May 2008
              • 3406

              #51
              Originally posted by Robbie
              And I'd like to know...since when did the American people suddenly start loving the IRS and the tax man?
              .

              You fail to realize that 99% of the people who post on GFY don't pay any taxes.

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              • Minte
                Babemeister
                • Jun 2001
                • 7081

                #52
                Originally posted by crockett
                So pull their tax status too. Anyone that is abusing this should be denied tax exempt status. It doesn't matter what team they play on.. it matters what they are doing.

                The only outrageous thing about this entire scandal is the fact the IRS was actually doing it's job. The fact these orgs should not even be able to have tax exempt status being ignored is ludicrous.

                The reason the Tea party is at focus is because they are publicly crying out loud when they got caught abusing the system. The truly absurd thing about it, the fact they shouldn't be able to claim tax exempt status in the first place, which is not being focused on, but rather allowing this to become a political football.

                If you actually cared about this county you would care that both sides are abusing the system and that both should be stopped.
                If I actually cared about the country... I cared enough when I was young er, to suit up in military garb and serve during a war. Now that I'm older I care enough to continue to build my business in the US, when I could just as easily move it to Mexico and take advantage of extremely reduced labor costs and pocket a whole new level of profit for my own enjoyment.

                But If I really cared about my country I could come on to a BBS and rag on people and make ridiculous statements to them about why they are such shitty americans,
                You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.

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                • crockett
                  in a van by the river
                  • May 2003
                  • 76818

                  #53
                  Originally posted by Robbie
                  Do you even have any idea of what happened?

                  Do you not realize that the IRS targeted specific groups...and THEN passed on their information to liberal "media" groups (completely illegal).

                  Don't you understand that one day there will be another Republican president and if this is "okay" now....it will be "okay" then too?

                  Don't you understand WHY Pres. Obama fired the head of the IRS a couple of days ago?

                  And you think it's because the IRS was "actually doing it's job"

                  You need to understand what happened before continuing to comment.

                  And I'd like to know...since when did the American people suddenly start loving the IRS and the tax man?
                  Strange times we are living in...so-called "Liberals" calling for MORE govt. intrusion into their lives, more govt. control of their lives, and more taxes.

                  You guys certainly aren't what I grew up as liberal being.
                  We were anti-war, pro-freedom, pro-drug legalization, pro-choice, anti-govt.

                  Watch some old youtube videos of young people in the 1960's and 1970's protesting against the govt.
                  Maybe it will inspire some of you neo-liberals to understand.

                  You mean just like you neo-conservatives protested against the debacle of the lies that took us into Iraq? How about the Iraq torture scandals? You guys were really up in arms about that.. I mean Hell Glen Beck even offered to be water boarded something he never followed through with of course..

                  How about Cheney selling out the VA hospitals and the fact they went to total disrepair after his good ole boy business buddies won the contract. You guys were really up in arms about that..

                  Hell what about the 100+ that were killed in the multiple embassy attacks under Bush admin and the whole "Al Qaeda intends to attack the US" warning..

                  I'm sorry Robbie, but the right just gets so upset about every little thing that I just can't really see the big deal about it any more.. I mean I remember how out spoken they were about all these issues under the Bush admin, it's kinda like Chicken Little yelling the sky is falling..


                  Of course for those that don't understand sarcasm, the Right never got upset or out raged about any of the things I listed.. Quite Ironic isn't it..
                  Last edited by crockett; 05-17-2013, 11:50 AM.
                  In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                  • crockett
                    in a van by the river
                    • May 2003
                    • 76818

                    #54
                    Originally posted by Minte

                    But If I really cared about my country I could come on to a BBS and rag on people and make ridiculous statements to them about why they are such shitty americans,

                    You mean kinda like what you do now?
                    In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                    • Why
                      MFBA
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 7230

                      #55
                      Originally posted by Vendzilla
                      MOVEON.org gets one, so yes, the IRS was out of line going after just the conservative side
                      i think thats a pretty fair assessment. as much i think its funny as hell the tea party got harassed.

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                      • Minte
                        Babemeister
                        • Jun 2001
                        • 7081

                        #56
                        Originally posted by crockett
                        You mean kinda like what you do now?
                        No i mean precisely what you do with every statement you make.

                        It's real easy to sit behind a typewriter and talk about how it should be. What is it you do to make the country a better place.
                        You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.

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                        • crockett
                          in a van by the river
                          • May 2003
                          • 76818

                          #57
                          Originally posted by Minte
                          No i mean precisely what you do with every statement you make.

                          It's real easy to sit behind a typewriter and talk about how it should be. What is it you do to make the country a better place.
                          I don't vote for the current crop of republicans for starters..
                          In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                          • Vendzilla
                            Biker Gnome
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 23200

                            #58
                            Originally posted by crockett
                            No they are not operating with-in the law. The law clearly says their "PRIMARY" focus must be social welfare. The primary focus is not supposed to be political.

                            Karl Rove's 501 group spent 98% of the money they had in the last election of political adds and so forth. It was actually less than 2% spent on social welfare.

                            This is straight up against what the law says. They are clearly abusing the system.
                            The way social welfare is worded is that what they are doing is a benefit to the community, sometimes confronting the current administration is just that.
                            Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                            think about that

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                            • tony286
                              lurker
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 57021

                              #59
                              Originally posted by Vendzilla
                              The way social welfare is worded is that what they are doing is a benefit to the community, sometimes confronting the current administration is just that.
                              oh stop please lol

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                              • Vendzilla
                                Biker Gnome
                                • Mar 2004
                                • 23200

                                #60
                                Originally posted by Why
                                i think thats a pretty fair assessment. as much i think its funny as hell the tea party got harassed.
                                either for against, still scary when the political machine can target the other side, voter intimidation
                                Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                think about that

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