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  • crockett
    in a van by the river
    • May 2003
    • 76818

    #1

    The bigger issues with IRS and Tea Party scandle

    Why is it one blatantly obvious fact has been left out of this whole scandal.

    The Tea Party IS a political group and as such should not be allowed to file as a 501 tax exempt group which strictly forbids political groups.. They are not a charity, religious or any other legit group that should be allowed a 501 status.

    They ARE ABUSING the system. Why is this not the focus?


    501(c)(3) exemptions apply to corporations, and any community chest, fund, cooperating association or foundation, organized and operated exclusively for religious, charitable, scientific, testing for public safety, literary, or educational purposes, to foster national or international amateur sports competition, to promote the arts, or for the prevention of cruelty to children or animals.[8][9] There are also supporting organizations which are often referred to in shorthand form as "Friends of" organizations.

    The only scandal here is not that the Tea Party groups were being scrutinized, but that some are actually getting away with claiming 501 tax exempt status and taking donations from unknown sources which are funneled into political agendas. A direct violation of 501 tax exempt status.

    The key reason they were scrutinized more is because there were far more Tea party groups doing this than progressive or liberal. Tea party was making lots of news then so you make a spectacle of your selves you put yourself on the radar.

    Section 501(c)(3) organizations are absolutely prohibited from supporting political candidates, and are subject to limits on lobbying. They risk loss of tax exempt status if these rules are violated.
    The simple fact is the FBI had it right to scrutinize these groups. The only issue at bay is they aren't able to go after them all.
    Last edited by crockett; 05-16-2013, 10:54 AM.
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  • sperbonzo
    I'd rather be on my boat.
    • May 2003
    • 9750

    #2
    Actually, you have your facts wrong, but that won't fit your worldview or agenda, so I won't bother getting into it with you..... Carry on!









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    • Tom_PM
      Porn Meister
      • Feb 2005
      • 16443

      #3
      Why don't you just tell him where is facts are wrong instead of being cheesy about it? Oh I guess because that would mess up your conspiracy theory about obama and superman and wonder woman.

      see what I did there?
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      • TheSquealer
        Mayor of Thneedville
        • Oct 2004
        • 26172

        #4
        The FBI? The tea party? 501 c3??? Haha... Wow. You need therapy.
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        Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

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        • Vendzilla
          Biker Gnome
          • Mar 2004
          • 23200

          #5
          MOVEON.org gets one, so yes, the IRS was out of line going after just the conservative side
          Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
          think about that

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          • crockett
            in a van by the river
            • May 2003
            • 76818

            #6
            Originally posted by TheSquealer
            The FBI? The tea party? 501 c3??? Haha... Wow.
            I miss typed FBI for IRS...
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            • TheSquealer
              Mayor of Thneedville
              • Oct 2004
              • 26172

              #7
              It all had nothing to do with 501c3 exemptions. I know that and I never watch the news.
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              Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

              Rochard

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              • crockett
                in a van by the river
                • May 2003
                • 76818

                #8
                Originally posted by sperbonzo
                Actually, you have your facts wrong, but that won't fit your worldview or agenda, so I won't bother getting into it with you..... Carry on!









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                The only agenda at work is yours because you fail to see the truth and you bitch about the govt abusing it's powers while green lighting this kind of stuff because you agree with them.

                The simple fact is these Tea Party groups were trying to claim 501 c tax exempt status by calling themselves "social welfare organizations". They are not anything close to being social welfare groups. You know it just as I do.

                They are abusing the system.. it's simple as that.

                Their primary role has to be focused on social welfare, not political activity. Please show me the social welfare these guys did.
                Last edited by crockett; 05-16-2013, 11:16 AM.
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                • Vendzilla
                  Biker Gnome
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 23200

                  #9
                  Originally posted by crockett
                  The only agenda at work is yours because you fail to see the truth and you bitch about the govt abusing it's powers while green lighting this kind of stuff because you agree with them.

                  The simple fact is these Tea Party groups were trying to claim 501 c tax exempt status by calling themselves "social welfare organizations". They are not anything close to being social welfare groups. You know it just as I do.

                  They are abusing the system.. it's simple as that.

                  Their primary role has to be focused on social welfare, not political activity. Please show me the social welfare these guys did.
                  MoveOn.org formed in 1998 to oppose the impeachment of President Bill Clinton; it circulated an online petition "Censure President Clinton and Move On to Pressing Issues Facing the Nation." It was co-founded by Joan Blades and Wes Boyd, a married couple from California. Blades, who later also founded the group Moms Rising, writes a blog for the liberal Huffington Post. Boyd sits on the board of directors for Progressive States Network, a liberal advocacy group on issues including health care, immigration and energy.

                  MoveOn.org has grown into a major political force ? both at the grassroots and national level. It was a 527 committee that took unlimited contributions from major Democratic donors. During the 2004 presidential campaign, MoveOn.org was the seventh-largest 527 committee and spent $21 million, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Initial donors included billionaire George Soros, a major donor to liberal causes, who spent millions in 2004 trying unsuccessfully to defeat President Bush.

                  MoveOn.org closed its 527 committee in 2008. It now operates a federal political action committee, which must disclose its donors and cannot accept more than $5,000 from any single source. MoveOn.org PAC raised and spent $38 million in 2008. It had spent $21 million during the 2010 campaign cycle, as of August. The PAC funds Internet and TV ads, raises money for liberal candidates and causes, and finances grassroots campaigns.

                  The group also created a 501(c)(4) called MoveOn.org Civic Action in 2001 for its advocacy work, including online petitions and e-mail campaigns. In fiscal year 2007, the most recent available, MoveOn.org Civic Action reported spending nearly $700,000.
                  Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                  think about that

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                  • TheSquealer
                    Mayor of Thneedville
                    • Oct 2004
                    • 26172

                    #10
                    Every.insane dictator has thought just as you do. Only you are right. Only you have the right answers. If someone doesn't agree with you, they are the problem. Tens of millions of people have been butchered over the last century alone by people who share your problem with tunnel vision and an inability to understand anything outside of your distorted perception of events around you.
                    Last edited by TheSquealer; 05-16-2013, 11:21 AM.
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                    Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

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                    • crockett
                      in a van by the river
                      • May 2003
                      • 76818

                      #11
                      Originally posted by TheSquealer
                      It all had nothing to do with 501c3 exemptions. I know that and I never watch the news.
                      No it was 501 c4. I typed 3 because I was thinking of the church & charities..

                      The fact remains the same because they are still abusing the system and they are not social welfare groups.
                      In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                      • TheSquealer
                        Mayor of Thneedville
                        • Oct 2004
                        • 26172

                        #12
                        Correct. Thank you for admitting that almost every key point in your rant was wrong.
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                        Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

                        Rochard

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                        • crockett
                          in a van by the river
                          • May 2003
                          • 76818

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Vendzilla
                          MoveOn.org formed in 1998 to oppose the impeachment of President Bill Clinton; it circulated an online petition "Censure President Clinton and Move On to Pressing Issues Facing the Nation." It was co-founded by Joan Blades and Wes Boyd, a married couple from California. Blades, who later also founded the group Moms Rising, writes a blog for the liberal Huffington Post. Boyd sits on the board of directors for Progressive States Network, a liberal advocacy group on issues including health care, immigration and energy.

                          MoveOn.org has grown into a major political force — both at the grassroots and national level. It was a 527 committee that took unlimited contributions from major Democratic donors. During the 2004 presidential campaign, MoveOn.org was the seventh-largest 527 committee and spent $21 million, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Initial donors included billionaire George Soros, a major donor to liberal causes, who spent millions in 2004 trying unsuccessfully to defeat President Bush.

                          MoveOn.org closed its 527 committee in 2008. It now operates a federal political action committee, which must disclose its donors and cannot accept more than $5,000 from any single source. MoveOn.org PAC raised and spent $38 million in 2008. It had spent $21 million during the 2010 campaign cycle, as of August. The PAC funds Internet and TV ads, raises money for liberal candidates and causes, and finances grassroots campaigns.

                          The group also created a 501(c)(4) called MoveOn.org Civic Action in 2001 for its advocacy work, including online petitions and e-mail campaigns. In fiscal year 2007, the most recent available, MoveOn.org Civic Action reported spending nearly $700,000.
                          So take their tax exempt status away as well, along with all the churches that tell people how to vote. The point I'm making is the IRS had it right, the scandal is these groups are getting away with it not that any one of them were targeted.
                          In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                          • crockett
                            in a van by the river
                            • May 2003
                            • 76818

                            #14
                            Originally posted by TheSquealer
                            Correct. Thank you for admitting that almost every key point in your rant was wrong.
                            I only focused on the wrong sub section with the quotes.. the fact is they are abusing the 501 tax exempt status which is the primary focus I was making.
                            In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                            • Bladewire
                              StraightBro
                              • Aug 2003
                              • 56228

                              #15
                              Originally posted by PR_Tom
                              Oh I guess because that would mess up your conspiracy theory about obama and superman and wonder woman.

                              see what I did there?


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