The fact remains that you do not know what you are talking about. :2 cents:

Because all of you could turn on the news (even MSNBC!!!) and see what is happening for yourselves instead of crockett making ignorant statements.

The thought that ANY of you are cheerleading the IRS in the first place is revolting.

But secondly...what the IRS has done has gotten condemnation from every Democratic Senator and Congressman as well as from Pres. Obama. ALSO...all the liberal pundits on MSNBC even!

And yet, here are the low information GFY "liberals" wanting the IRS to harass people. Unbelievable.

That's not even true...you've been watching too much Bill O Reilly, who by the way doesn't check facts. Nor does anyone on Fox News. Or maybe they do check facts but decide to "leave out" a few things here and there to suit their twisted, bigoted, backwards-ass world view.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...matic_missions

And democrats didn't even make half the effort (or any) to politicize attacks under Bush. But conservatives today are so bloodthirsty for Obama's head that they'll jump on anything they can get. Impeachment discussions will be next.

I really hope these shitstains overreach just enough to ensure they don't win the next election. Their main job for the next 3 years is going to be trying to persecute the president when they could be moving our country forward. It's frustrating and I wish someone would shake these fuckers and tell them to stop this shit and do their fucking jobs.

The fact that remains you are a hypocrite because you are always quick to ignore anything wrong your team does, while quick to condemn the other side. You are what is wrong with the Republican party and you are the reason it has failed.

You don't care about this country only what is good for you. That is pretty much the motto of the GOP.

So pull their tax status too. Anyone that is abusing this should be denied tax exempt status. It doesn't matter what team they play on.. it matters what they are doing.

The only outrageous thing about this entire scandal is the fact the IRS was actually doing it's job. The fact these orgs should not even be able to have tax exempt status being ignored is ludicrous.

The reason the Tea party is at focus is because they are publicly crying out loud when they got caught abusing the system. The truly absurd thing about it, the fact they shouldn't be able to claim tax exempt status in the first place, which is not being focused on, but rather allowing this to become a political football.

If you actually cared about this county you would care that both sides are abusing the system and that both should be stopped.

My thoughts.
What IRS did were out of line there is as many groups on boths sides that are seeking tax exceptions and they targetted one side. My guess is that it were a couple of mid level guys thinking this up over a wet lunch.

AP WAY out of line if they needed information in the holy name of national security they could have contacted AP and if it really were a matter of national security or an iminent threat I am sure AP would at least have partially cooporated.

Benghazi only Faux News cares about this you can only beat a horse to death once but they are still going because until this week it were the only big issue they had, now they have a little more ammunition.

The US is so polarized its either right or wrong, left or right, yes or no, the best thing that could happen is a 3rd party someone who will work with both sides to keep the extremist ON BOTH SIDES out.

Oh and if above didn't make it clear I am waaaaaaaay to the left ;)

Sorry but I have a right to have an opinion because US politics affects the whole world that is something the US took upon themselves and effects my life so I can comment.

Do you even have any idea of what happened?

Do you not realize that the IRS targeted specific groups...and THEN passed on their information to liberal "media" groups (completely illegal).

Don't you understand that one day there will be another Republican president and if this is "okay" now....it will be "okay" then too?

Don't you understand WHY Pres. Obama fired the head of the IRS a couple of days ago?

And you think it's because the IRS was "actually doing it's job"

You need to understand what happened before continuing to comment.

And I'd like to know...since when did the American people suddenly start loving the IRS and the tax man?
Strange times we are living in...so-called "Liberals" calling for MORE govt. intrusion into their lives, more govt. control of their lives, and more taxes.

You guys certainly aren't what I grew up as liberal being.
We were anti-war, pro-freedom, pro-drug legalization, pro-choice, anti-govt.

Watch some old youtube videos of young people in the 1960's and 1970's protesting against the govt.
Maybe it will inspire some of you neo-liberals to understand.

They were protesting the War where they were being drafted to die.

I've never said I was a liberal.. That is the catch all attempt the right wing uses as an attempt to belittle or degrade people whom don't share their same views. It would be the same as me calling every right winger a neo conservative.

I have liberal views on some subjects and I have conservative views on some subjects. I consider my self an American, not a liberal or conservative.

I just find my self more at odds with the right wing in this country because they are more worried about trying to make the other side look bad vs actually trying to fix problems or make the govt work. They would rather destroy this country than have the other side do well.

Both sides are shit, it's just the right smells much worse, than the left.

The right will destroy this country if they are left to do it. The Bush and Cheney tag team came very close to doing just that. The Left, while no where near perfect at least can be contained.

As far as the IRS chief, he's just the guy in charge. so if heads roll his is likely he first.. I don't think however this was any vast conspiracy as the right is trying to portray it.

I think the FBI agents added 1+1 and came up with 2. If your job is to audit all these new groups likely knowing most are political in origin, then the ones that scream out first are obviously going to make a bigger target.

Tea Party was a well known political group by that time, so it's very easy to see why groups with that name were chosen to be scrutinized.

edit.. I did it again.. called them FBI.. obviously I mean IRS.. lol

You fail to realize that 99% of the people who post on GFY don't pay any taxes.

If I actually cared about the country... I cared enough when I was young er, to suit up in military garb and serve during a war. Now that I'm older I care enough to continue to build my business in the US, when I could just as easily move it to Mexico and take advantage of extremely reduced labor costs and pocket a whole new level of profit for my own enjoyment.

But If I really cared about my country I could come on to a BBS and rag on people and make ridiculous statements to them about why they are such shitty americans,

You mean just like you neo-conservatives protested against the debacle of the lies that took us into Iraq? How about the Iraq torture scandals? You guys were really up in arms about that.. I mean Hell Glen Beck even offered to be water boarded something he never followed through with of course..

How about Cheney selling out the VA hospitals and the fact they went to total disrepair after his good ole boy business buddies won the contract. You guys were really up in arms about that..

Hell what about the 100+ that were killed in the multiple embassy attacks under Bush admin and the whole "Al Qaeda intends to attack the US" warning..

I'm sorry Robbie, but the right just gets so upset about every little thing that I just can't really see the big deal about it any more.. I mean I remember how out spoken they were about all these issues under the Bush admin, it's kinda like Chicken Little yelling the sky is falling..


Of course for those that don't understand sarcasm, the Right never got upset or out raged about any of the things I listed.. Quite Ironic isn't it.. :2 cents:

You mean kinda like what you do now?

i think thats a pretty fair assessment. as much i think its funny as hell the tea party got harassed.

No i mean precisely what you do with every statement you make.

It's real easy to sit behind a typewriter and talk about how it should be. What is it you do to make the country a better place.

I don't vote for the current crop of republicans for starters.. :winkwink:

The way social welfare is worded is that what they are doing is a benefit to the community, sometimes confronting the current administration is just that.

oh stop please lol

either for against, still scary when the political machine can target the other side, voter intimidation

I doubt that.

Number one, I'm not a conservative. I'm an actual liberal. There is nobody you know in your little world more socially liberal than I am.

As for protesting against the Iraq war. Yes, people DID protest against it.
Unfortunately, Democratic leaders like Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton all were saying that there were "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq and jumping on the defense contractor gravy train.

You sir, are very, very uninformed.

IRC 501(c)(4) provides, in part, for the exemption from federal income
taxation of civic leagues or organizations not organized for profit but operated
exclusively for the promotion of social welfare.1
Section 1.501(c)(4)-1(a)(2)(i) of
the Income Tax Regulations states that an organization will be considered to be
operated exclusively for social welfare purposes if it is primarily engaged in
promoting in some way the common good and general welfare of the people of the
community, i.e. primarily for the purpose of bringing about civic betterments and
social improvements

I think that peaceful protest of something the government is doing is engaging in the common good and the general welfare of the people of the community. Or are you against the freedom of speech thing in the constitution?

It didnt happen , I know you want Blacky Blackenstien to be a monster. But they were questioning everyone.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...arty-row-taxes
They were actually doing their job but old spineless fired the guy.Who wasnt even there when it happened.

Ok,that took about 15 minutes of your time last year. Anything else notable that you are doing for the good of the country?

First sentence from your link

The Internal Revenue Service, under pressure after admitting it targeted anti-tax Tea Party groups for scrutiny in recent years

Not one word in that article about targeting liberal companies

Why are people still debating what the IRS did?

They ADMITTED it already...and some on GFY are still in denial?

For fuck's sake! The IRS admitted they did something illegal, the President has fired the head of the IRS over it, and Congress is investigating it.

What will you guys deny next? That the sky is blue?
You guys are unreal...

"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser" socrates

Im not going to say anything I like you too much. But the only one that didnt get it was a progressive group. All those tea party got their tax free status.

From what I saw on MSNBC and CNN over the last few days...the "tax free status" wasn't even what the IRS was really after.

What they did was send the financial info and lists of people contributing, etc. over to Propublica....which is a super liberal news media outlet. It gets funds from George Soros among other big time left leaning rich guys.

ProPublica themselves already came out a few days ago and admitted that to Congress (before any of you go into denial about that too). Propublica then used that confidential info to leak stuff out to the mainstream press that it felt was damaging to the Tea Party.
And it worked....just look at all the idiots on here parroting what they were told.

It is illegal as hell to have done that (our tax documents are supposed to be confidential).

Kind of makes you wonder now how during the last election so many Republicans tax records got "leaked" to the press...not talking about the ones that were made public by the candidate themselves.

This is some evil shit here by the Federal Govt. ...and quite frankly doesn't surprise me one bit because history has shown that our federal govt. will damn near do anything.

Where the Obama administration fucked up big time was when the DOJ went after the Associated Press phone records. Up until then, the news media pretty much gave him a free pass.
Not now.

Even MSNBC is talking about how he lied when he promised the "most transparent administration in history" and instead delivered the most UN-transparent one.

Saw yesterday morning on MSNBC that the Obama administration has now done more subpena's of reporters phones and other records than ALL prior administrations COMBINED.

How's that for "Hope And Change" and "transparency" in govt.?

MSNBC was also calling Obama the "Observer In Chief" because he seems to not have a clue about anything going on in his administration.

For MSNBC to actually report these things means that Obama REALLY pissed them off by going after reporters.
Big mistake on his part.

I predict he will do "damage control" by having reporters in for picture opportunities, special dinners, access to him and Michelle for interviews, etc.
That way he can get them back to NOT going after him in any way.

Just looking back at the OP's thread title: "The Bigger Issues With IRS and Tea Party"

He professed to know all about the "bigger issues" and turns out he didn't know anything at all about what's going on.
Typical...

snort

indeed.

Just because I had the wrong section of the law doesn't mean the point I was making was not valid. They ARE abusing the system and that should be the focus.

If the IRS did something systematically wrong then that should be changed and any one at fault should be punished. If it was a random agent or two then they should be fired.

However the point remains that these groups shouldn't really have the tax exempt status in the first place. They are abusing the system by walking between the rain drops if you will.

If it requires the law be more clear then that needs to be done. They should not be aloud tax exempt status because they are not supposed to have given the intent of the law.

This is like someone stealing a car then trying to sue the dealership because the alarm wont turn off. It's absurd at best..

The "system"? Really?

Dude, if I can pay one less dollar in taxes I will go out of my way to "abuse the system".

Our tax money mostly goes to defense contractors so we can kill more people world-wide. Fuck the govt. and fuck the IRS.

And you're right...the IRS did indeed do stuff that is totally illegal.

And now, the question is (just like was asked about Nixon)...what did the President know and when did he know it.

But listening to our Pres. say that he basically has no idea about much of anything going on in his administration EVER (or at least when it's "bad"), I don't think Pres. Obama has anything to worry about.
Pres. Obama: "I first heard the details about this on CNN"
Really? He couldn't have just asked his IRS chief when the story first broke?

Reality is...if a Democrat administration gets away with this, then so will a Republican one the next time.
We can't let any of them do this.