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EddyTheDog

Its not about 'sugar', its about anything that triggers the pleasure receptors in your brain...

It is a chemical process - Chemicals are produced and consumed by the brain and those chemicals are very addictive...

There are people who self harm - They get the same chemicals produced when they cut themselves - Sugar isn't addictive - Its what happens next that is addictive...

Think about people who gamble or who are always putting themselves in danger...

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dyna mo

btw, i was reading this morning about a better test than bmi, which has been proven suspect for quite a while now, the new method is waist circumference to height ratio.

if your waist is <1/2 your height, you're fine. i don't necc endorse this, but this is what some experts are now trying to replace the bmi with.

EddyTheDog

Damn, I am still fat...

dyna mo

that doesn't mean you are unhealthy though, or a drain on society. not saying you are not but you know what i mean.

kane

I'm sure they could come up with some kind of system that would allow people of all shapes and sizes to be comfortable on the plane. some might have to pay a little more, but it could be done.

The interesting thing to me is how some things can be considered okay to bring up and other's are not. For example, if an airline like Southwest makes a fat person buy two tickets for their plane most people think it is okay and don't complain (although I'm sure some who are buying the tickets do). However, if you had an annoying kid fee or a crying baby fee or you even offered child free flights you know people would be up in arms about that and boycotting the airline.

bigluv

Shoot all the fucking nutritionists and dietitians and follow it up with all the CEOs of Big Food and finish off with anyone related to corn subsidies and you might just have a start on a solution.

helterskelter808

I fucking hate that shit. I had a mega long haul flight like that recently.

What's worse is the flight crew pander to these ignoramuses who bring their ill-behaved spawn on board, just because they have kids. Fuck 'em. They ban smoking on flights, they should ban kids too. And fat fucks. On the same flight I had a big dude next to me. He wasn't even obese, just fat and large, and his elbows were constantly encroaching into my territory. Pretty sure he was a German; that kind of thing must be in their genes.

So yeah, I don't care if you're fat, thick, large or big boned, you should have your own area of the plane. And pay more for your seat too, since you're burning up more fuel than regular folk.

_Richard_

sugar isn't addictive? are you sure? is there anyway for you to find out if there is a 'withdrawl'?

anyway, my point is sugar is a chemical working on the 'pleasure receptors' or 'reward receptors' of the brain.. ie 'priming' the addiction for what would become consumption etc

dyna mo

are you saying sugar is a/the problem?

kane

Something they could do is make the seats bigger and further apart. If they just took a few seats out of each plane there would be plenty of room for just about anyone of any size. They would have charge a few dollars more per seat, but I think people would be willing to pay it if they knew it was going to be a comfortable flight.

_Richard_

well, it's more of a component to a larger problem

so you have sugar, which works your pleasure and reward centers, then you have booze, same thing, then you are at a 'consumption age' where you're buying toys, getting into drugs blah blah

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fat is not cool, sorry

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Being overweight is a health risk. That will become important with Obamacare. That program is struggling with funding and I would bet that eventually anyone engaged with risky behaviour or lifestyle will have to pay a premium. You won't be denied coverage but you will have to pay a premium.

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Really good article babes and it is true eating healthy is more expensive and time consuming, but sooo worth it. But if you are poor and all you can afford is cheap food, chances are you wont be eating the right stuff.

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The Sultan Of Smut

Why just stop at fat people why not dumb people as well? I mean c'mon there's an arbitrary cut off at an IQ of 85 that one point above you're "normal" and one point below you're a "retard".

There are dumb people driving vehicles and engaging in other acts that are dangerous to the health and wellness of others that in most respects out weigh (no pun intended) the visual discomfort of seeing a fat guy/girl.

Lets stop the stupid from spreading or at least prevent it from seeping into the voter box!

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Every person is fat man was once a scavenger we were supposed to binge eat when we could. The fact is bushmen are skin and bone. Like cows chickens and sheep even man is now man made.

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BlackCrayon

the parents of these people should be ashamed. i believe this is the main cause for people being overweight all their lives. they learn poor eating habits, exercise is not made important, they see their parents use food to cope with stress, so they do the same, etc.

public shaming is not cool but doctors should be making an active effort to always be on these people to do something about their weight. doctors often refuse to see a patient who won't follow their advice, taking prescribed pills, not doing anything about weight shouldn't be any different.

i also think there needs to be more nutritional education going on in schools and at home. i don't know if i just wasn't paying attention or didn't care but i never really knew much or thought much about what i was putting in my body until my mid 20's. even then, i'm still learning stuff all the time that changes what i do. i was never fat in my life but i did eat like shit for a long time which i did largely out of ignorance. parents need to take a much more active role in teaching their kids about what is in food, what you need out of it and what to avoid. my parents let me be picky about foods, avoiding vegetables and such which was not doing me any favors.

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Choopa Phil

Phenylalanine is also added to a lot of foods which triggers the pleasure centers in the brain, as does MSG.

Facts still stand, u dont get big/overweight over night...you have ONE body why not learn about it, and educate YOURSELF on what to put in and what not to put in it. But the reality is, its easier to not care and be fat. Just like its easier to collect an unemployment check than actually work. Blows my mind.

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beerptrol

Nope, nobody should be shamed about the way they look. Someone can always find a fault with the way you look and shame you too! Worry about yourself and not how others live their life!

PR_Glen

You can eat a diet of home made pasta and perogies and eat organic strawberries, bananas and granola by the pound, will an overweight person lose weight doing that? Not a fucking chance. Why? it's loaded with sugar, is there HFCS in it? who gives a shit? sugar makes you gain weight and a diet high in ANY sugars is going cause weight gain no matter how much you exercise. Carb control is not a fad, it is the only way that works effectively whether you are a bodybuilder in a cut or someone who needs to lose 100+ lbs.

I would never mock someone for being fat, I would happily help them with it though--and I have. Just by changing the timing of when you eat these things you can make a big impact.

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PR_Glen

you are under the assumption that doctors know something about nutrition? Almost none do and are often overweight themselves so they aren't going to help you. Most people are on their own when it comes to this stuff. The answers are easy once you find them, but finding the right way is far from easy with the flood of morons giving horrible advice based on lies. We can't go blaming parents either, because their images of what is healthy have been based on bad advice from 'experts' just the same.

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_Richard_

think it comes down to time and stress. you make x amount to live per year, there is going to be a whole world of 'experience' that doesn't seem to get taken into account with 'the collecting welfare check' argument.

When you're trying to figure out how to feed and cloth your kids, im assuming 'taking the time to review my life choices' doesn't come up high on the priority list. It's too bad there isn't some form of support centers, but that's communism

furthermore, you get into how many of these families have had family fighting in wars, and it becomes less a 'lazy poor person' scenario, and more a 'traumatized survivor' one

Choopa Phil

Except it doesnt take a rocket scientist to know that anything that comes in a pretty box that you microwave isnt healthy. To me thats just a list of excuses. It takes me 25 minutes from start to finish to cook 4lbs of 96% grass fed lean beef and 3lbs of broc. feed me for 2x meals a day for 3 days. It takes longer to drive to mcdonalds get burgers and come home. Not to mention CHEAPER. all that beef costs me 22 dollars at costco, plus 3 dollars for broccoli when its on sale. 25 dollars for 6 meals is pretty dang good. They arent small portions either.

As Glen said, carbs are what make you fat...they feed cows what, GRAINS...to fatten them up. Went from 400G carbs a day to now a little over 75G in 3 weeks ive lost 8 lbs. Yea im sure a lot was glycogen and water but that should say something to ya

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_Richard_

good job on the 8 pounds

generally i consider 5 to be poop weight, but i suppose everyone's different.

Choopa Phil

Thank you for the kind words, much appreciated. Hahah I feel ya on that one. I weigh in at the same time (post poop, first thing in the AM), eat the same thing every single day (no its not boring for me).

Dont have much to lose tho, down to 8.7% bf as of last night, shooting for 7% by MDW, and 6-5% by july. Tossing around the idea of competing, but not really a huge fan of what comes with that territory. More or less doing this for personal goals and to see if "i can do it"

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TheSquealer

He's ignoring the obvious fact in his horribly flawed reasoning that has little basis in physiology, neurobiology and psychology in terms of cause and effect in that anything that makes you "feel good" basically works in the same way. Jerking off. Playing poker. Seeing a sunrise. Falling in love. Etc.

At the end of the day, addiction is a complicated thing and happens through a variety of neurological pathways, with some being more physical/chemical and most being more emotional (dependency/self medicating) - however, people can still make the choice to be addicted, not addicted or to stop their addiction.... no matter how bad anyone thinks it is. People wake up every single day and give up "addictions" because they understand its the right thing to do. Many 1000s of people today across the world who are habitual drinkers, pot smokers or compulsive eaters will decide they've had enough and stop. It's called self control and discipline. "addiction" is an excuse for weakness. Being "addicted" to anything does not mean you cannot exert control over it and stop. It happens all day, everyday, all over the world for any type of compulsive behavior or addiction.

A simple example of this is phobias. I believe the single most commonly treated problem by psychiatrists are phobias. People spend large parts of their lives being petrified of something. Without getting into a long winded discussion of the hows, the whys, the where's, the when's, the chemical processes of the brain, emotions, feelings and what horrible event "causes them to feel this way" and so on... just ask a simple question "how do people who get over phobia's do it on their own?", "how do people who's lives are crippled by compulsive behaviors change on their own?"

Answer... simple. The simple decide that they are acting like idiots and declare that enough is enough and start changing their behaviors.

The same is true of this so called "addiction" to sugar. You can either change your eating habits and make good choices and act responsibly, or one can declare themselves an "addict" with the full support of the enablers around them and ultimately live a much shorter and much more unfulfilling life.

You know full well as someone who has a grasp on nutrition that simple carbs and sugars cause cravings for more of the same and that when you increase protein and fibrous vegetables and stabilize your blood sugar levels, those cravings disappear.

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I started doing keto last week, I'm down 7 pounds.

_Richard_

so your not horribly flawed reasoning is sugar is good for you?

Why do they behave like tobacco companies then?

TheSquealer

And by the way, you can be "fat" or "obese" and be healthy.... but not for very long. And its thoroughly unrealistic to believe you aren't going to live a shorter life and be much more unacceptable to a wide range of weight related illnesses.

Every additional 10 pounds of fat requires another 60-80 miles of blood vessels for your heart to pump blood through. If you think that "not a problem", and "not a problem over the long term", and can reason that you're "healthy",... then you just can't be helped.

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dyna mo

yup, didn't feel up to trying to impart that ehe. the other part, and a big problem is that peeps extract from the sugar thing, that fruit is bad for us.

HI, care for an apple? pfft, no way, that thing is loaded with sugar. well, yes, but, well, neverfuckngmind.

Choopa Phil

Do you feel theres a time and a place for fruits? What are your thoughts on that?

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TheSquealer

First of all you fucking dickhead with the retarded, misleading rhetorical questions where you cowardly refuse to actually make an argument.... the OBVIOUS answer is no.

I did not say sugar is good for you. Excess sugar is clearly bad for you.

Its a perfect example of your idiotic reasoning and perfectly illustrates what a total fucking mental midget you are. A coward. Wanting to sound smart, but just can't find the words to convince people you're smart. Wanting others to think you're smart... but understanding that if you actually take a risk and try to formulate opinions, positions and arguments, you'll remove any doubt whatsoever as to how dumb you truly are.

Second of all you ignorant twat... YOUR BODY RUNS ON SUGAR. YOUR BRAIN RUNS ON SUGAR. YOUR MUSCLES ARE FUELED BY SUGAR. YOU HAVE A GLUCOSE METABOLISM and every system that keeps you alive depends on SUGAR.

Thirdly, as can be expected with you being such a dipshit... tabacco companies have nothing to do with "addiction to sugar".

Lastly, anyone can proclaim themselves to be addicted to anything as they do all day long. So if "i'm addicted to sugar and am perfectly happy living a shorter life, crippled by obesity and struggling with weight related disease and health issues" is a satisfying position... then cool. Be "addicted"

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_Richard_

bout as far as i got

thanks for playing

Choopa Phil

You do realize "we've" made ourselves feel dependent on sugar right? I dont know of any cave men who ate chocolate bars or baked bread. Your body is most certainly NOT dependent on sugar.

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They got that, it's called disability. You also get a handicap sticker to put in your window so you can park in front at the stores and such
Then you get to say "you got a condition"
Sorry for those that really do suffer with a "condition" , 90% do not but since the system is abused so much it's hard to tell the difference !

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Choopa Phil

Grats! Ive done keto in the past its definitely a great way to lose weight thats for sure. Right now im on 20% Carbs/40% fat/40% protein 3100 cals a day. Down from my bulk diet of 4700 cals a day.

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TheSquealer

You're not dependent on anything in the USA or Canada. You can wake up and choose to eat oatmeal, a tsp of natural peanut butter and a dash of natural honey and 1/2 a grapefruit... or you can wake up and choose to eat 3 bowls of Froot Loops, a pastry and a tall glass of orange juice (i.e. orange syrup). Everything that goes into your mouth is a conscious choice that requires planning and preparation.

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Choopa Phil

Agreed 100% on all accounts. However our bodies are not dependent on sugar unless you make them that way, which goes hand in hand with what your argument is. Its all a choice, u choose your fuel.

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helterskelter808

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Exactly. Even here in California, they are trying to reform food stamps (EBT) to restrict food selections to what is considered 'healthy'. The drawback is in the pricing of healthier foods. If you are poor with several children, buying only healthy food is going to equal LESS food to be purchased. An issue most people don't even consider.

Because, you know...fuck poor people.

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fuck poor people