Do you even shop for real food? Convenience food in a box is a hell of a lot more expensive than raw meats and veggies. I bought 5lbs of 96% grass fed beef and 6 1lb bags of broc for less than 50 dollars.

I do, actually. In addition, I have only started to eat more healthy. I used to eat total crap.
Which, on a DAILY budget is cheaper. At FOOD 4 LESS, however, $50 can buy 50 budget microwave dinners and an almost endless supply of top ramen. Just an observation...

Where are you buying microwave dinners for $1 lol, even still u would need 4 to feed a family of 4....buy a pound of meat for the same price and split it? Crazy how math works.

Can also buy 1lb of pasta and a pound of chicken for 6 bux, cost of about 1.20 per meal.

I get what youre saying but the numbers are there, and I've versed myself in health and nutrition for almost 8 years now. Healthy food hands down is cheaper than convenience food, with the 1 exception being ramen noodles.

that's kinda misleading though... good quality meat is going to feed you better than the cheap stuff, which is basically ground up cardboard with meat flavoring... the price is higher, but real cost is actually lower...

I'll start.

Shame on you.

Now someone else can go.

That description was perfect. Ground up cardboard with meat flavoring. I'm going to use that! :1orglaugh

You can do a lot with a little. I spend maybe $150 to $200 a month on food. Total. I really don't get people who can blow through even more than that on designer take out coffee a month yet complain about food prices.

it sounds amusing, but I'm only slightly exaggerating... many crap quality products are pretty much that, for example it may say "meat FLAVORED patties" on the box, and when you look at the ingredients, there is no meat in them, just some soy protein or some other crap and meat flavoring.. :1orglaugh

On some certain occasions "fat" is not a choice. Some people have that kinda structure and whatever they do / diets, plans etc. - the result is same.
Sometimes there's problem with hormones and metabolism - you can't beat the nature.
People are just what they are. Google "fat aerobics instructor" - there was a guy who was aerobics instructor, and started to gain weight, due to some problems with metabolism.
The first Tokugawa shogun - Ieyasu / according to the stuff I read/ was fat, but he never turned out from the path of the samurai - he never ate too much, but still he was gaining weight.

BUT if you mean people who once were thin and through the years were eating with no control and never made effort to get in shape different than "circle" or "oval" - that's other story. In all the cases people should be judged for the deeds they do, for the things they made, not because of their race, sexual orientation or body structure.

Check this guy:

Exactly. You also choose your cravings. The issue to me is quite simple... i ask "are we better off with people eating and living healthy, or not". The answer is clear, so making any other argument, enabling bad behaviors, validating absurd/self destructive excuses and so on is part of the problem, not the solution.


Here is a funny side note about human behavior that applies to this discussion.

People tend to look at things largely in terms of cause and effect. We do this because we perceive this connection to exist - even when it doesn't exist or when its 100% irrational. A happened. As a result, you responded with rage (B), therefore, A caused B. In other words, we'll say "this ipad is pissing me off" - where its 100% irrational to give an inanimate object the power to affect your moods or drive you to rage. It's sadly even built into our language to reinforce these emotionally unhealthy and unsound ideas.

People tend to either place themselves either at cause, or at effect. In other words, YOU most likely accept 100% responsibility for your strength and size gains - you place yourself at cause.You know when you're not resting enough. You know when you're not getting enough fluids. You analyze and tweak your diet, you analyze and tweak your workouts etc. You understand that strength and size gains are not things that "happen to you" but rather things you have 100% control over to either make happen or not happen.

People also place themselves at effect. Everything has an excuse. Everything has something to blame. Everything is something happening to them.

Think about this carefully when you read this forum and observe peoples behaviors because this is a super interesting thing to observe...

People that place themselves at effect, accept little to no responsibility for their own actions and decisions and the resulting outcomes.. It's happening to them. It's not their fault. They believe they need to change external things to affect themselves as they've externalized the cause. BUT... that's not what they focus on.

What they tend to focus on is this....

they make themselves responsible for the outcomes of others who also place themselves at effect. This is part of the process of validating their own views, beliefs, perceptions etc. They have an interesting way of constantly championing those who place themselves at effect by insisting we change the world around them.

Notice its the same characters blaming anything and everything on something else. Its always a conspiracy against them. The cause is always something else. It's always external. It's always the other thing. It has to be, otherwise, what is the true answer? Accept personal accountability? That's typically not a well received message for someone who's shaped their lives and identity around the opposite.

You cannot gain fat without eating more calories than you burn. That's a simple indisputable fact of physics, not opinion.

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Nothing else to read here folks, we can close this thread! :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

i eat fruit daily, i mean almost with every meal. canned fruit, fresh fruit, all of it. it's so underrated for its micronutrients and healthy combo of sugar and fiber.

but i try and eat proper proportions so i eat more fiberous foods and less meats and such these days.

also, i am seriously diabetic and see the value in fruit and have seen many times the lack of a dramatic impact it makes on my blood glucose readings. the fiber slows everything down.

one thing about sugar-

our digestive system breaks down carbs to simple sugar, mostly glucose, which is the simple sugar our bodies use for energy.


no glucose in your bloodstream means no energy and you will soon be in keto.

i like fruit

I know you ain't lying...

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A $1 box of oatmeal makes about 50 breakfast meals.

you can buy 10lbs of quaker oats for 8.99 at costco

Food glorious food

Should guys with small dicks be burned on the nut sac with a cigar to encourage then
to try penis enlargement?

Do we get to spit in the face of ugly people too?

What about people who drink too much, can we kick them in the liver to make them
drink less?

Can we use a flame thrower on a smoker's lips?

When chicks have small tits can we run by and grab them in an attempt to stretch them
bigger?


That all makes the same amount of sense as what you propose for fat people.



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I guess most people live their lives thinking about what others will think about them. This is the problem.

Fat people should be worried, not shamed.

Worried and more aware about their health, especially if they enjoy life, and want to live (not just survive with several diseases) for a long time.

Shame is a crazy useless paranoia.

Fat people have psychological conflicts. Food is just an escape.

So, if you are fat, accept your condition as a problem and face it. Solve it once for all.

There's a solution.

not really, what you posted doesn't make sense.
there are no real health benefits to having a bigger dick, tits or being attractive. smoking and drinking is discouraged by not allowing smoking in just about any public place and only allowing drinking in licensed establishments. by your logic, if its the same, fat people are not allowed to be fat in public and can't eat big macs while driving which is obviously not the case. also, other than smoking and drinking there is nothing that can naturally be done to fix these things, unlike losing weight, eating right and exercising.

What a conundrum this whole overweight thing is. On the one hand I'm not comfortable with the shaming tactic a lot of people ascribe to, I think it's just demeaning and demoralizing. But on the other hand I also don't agree with this 'movement' that's been going on out there saying "You're fine just the way you are", "big is still beautiful" etc, almost telling people it's okay to be fat. It isn't. Not healthwise, not looks-wise, not anything-wise. And it's a drain on society, on health care, on the economy.

My personal experience over the past 12 years is that after being the tall well-built slim-waisted guy for most of my life I started to gain weight after injuring my back in the late 90's and then working from home with said bad back for many years. Worsening pain = less excercise. If not for my usual diet and eating habits I would have become a 500 lb whale.

Over this past year I have lost (so far) roughly 17 lbs, just from adjusting my eating habits slightly. I now eat 4 to 5 meals a day instead of 3. For the smaller in-between-meal meals and over lunch I eat things like grapefruit slices, raw baby carrots, a handful of nuts (that include almonds, or almonds-only), or a small cup-full of yogurt with all-bran sprinkled on top.

For breakfast and dinner I haven't changed much of anything. I still love a good steak, fried chicken from time to time, bbq'd ribs, even pork chops. I've found that it isn't so much what you eat, it's how you eat that trains your metabolism to speed up and start burning fat instead of storing it.

I just had a series of cortison injections to my lower spine, so I'm hoping that I'll be able to start working out again some and getting back out on my mountain bike, which should gain me back some of my lost muscle mass. Hopefully I'll be looking more like my old hulkish self again by the fall.

Fat-wise the last five years or so have been the worst. Beleive me I've been on the receiving end of the shame card. That was one of the biggest eye-openers for me, having people who you think care about you basically making you feel like less than shit. There has to be a better way to motivate someone. Me, I motivate myself. It's my bod, the only one I have, no one else is going to get it in shape.

Here's hoping these injections work. :D

easy to spot the ones who are obese in this thread. :1orglaugh

calories are cheap, nutrition is not. So yes.

A final thought for those who talk about "addiction to sugar"

Many years ago, I found myself in that cycle. I was eating a crazy amount of junk food and chocolate was my favorite. I ate a crazy amount of chocolate.

One day, i bit into a piece of cake from a high end bakery and was instantly swept away with a sensation of euphoria.

My response?? To eat more? No.

I was scared.

My first thought was "oh shit... what the fuck!?"

I was scared because I instantly understood what was happening and I understood the implications.

I instantly understood that I had crossed from just eating like an asshole to getting a "high" from eating certain foods.

My response?

I understood that there was a serious problem.
I accepted there was a serious problem.
I knew I needed to be real and deal with this problem.
I put down my fork and threw it away.

I went back to all my nutrition books, I read everything I could, I did everything to understand the mechanisms that would cause me to feel "high" by simply putting a piece of food in my mouth.

I understood the stress the excess sugar was causing the pancreas.

I understood the problems this was causing with insulin production and regulation, I understood this constant sugar eating was causing my pancreas to spin out of control, I understood the body's ability to effectively transport and utilize sugars for energy was being diminished by the day, I understood that insulin resistance and adult onset diabetes would be the inevitable outcome.

I cut out all sugars, I dropped my carbs to less than 20 grams per day. I put my body into a state of ketosis. That allows your pancrease/insulin feedback loop to reset. It causes all cravings for sugars to go away.

I got back on the treadmill.
I started boxing again.

I dropped my weight from ~240 down to 170lbs... and never had that sensation again about a piece of food.

How did I understand all these things?

Did God come down from the heavens like he did with Kanye West (his version) and touch me with the "gift"?

Of course not.

I took responsibility for my behavior.
I took responsibility for the outcomes of my behavior.

I went back to reading, reading, reading and reading to force myself to remember and re-learn some of most basic physiological functions and processes and how to control them through diet and exercise.

Quite simply, if you talk about "addiction" as a cause of obesity, you are a piece of shit.

You are the problem.
You are an enabler.
You are helping people kill themselves by validating self destructive and even suicidal behaviors.

How about you start helping people?

How about you start saying "hey, people get this shit under control all day, everyday, in every country, all over the world... how about you stop your bullshit of lying to yourself and others and start accepting responsibility for yourself, the food that you shove into your mouth and the RESULT of YOUR OWN ACTIONS?"

That would be an useful message for positive change and helping people.......

Do you think that fat people will avoid being in public if they know they will be shamed
as soon as they hit the sidewalk? Of course they will, so no, they can't go out driving
and eating big macs with people distracting them to shame them.

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You know, I think over weight people should lose weight.

The difference between me and you is I don't think overweight people are so stupid
that they didn't look in the mirror and figure this out for themselves, and I don't really
need to tell anyone what is so obvious to them already.

You act like you have some magic words that fat people haven't thought of
that can help them. :1orglaugh

There was a murder mystery on youtube that's been taken down already because of
copyright; but in the mystery they finally got a death bed confession from a elderly
women after promising her she would be allowed to die in the nursing home.
She said she shot one female in the face and the other one in the head, killing
both of them, after she told them she was quitting her job at the ice cream parlor with
them because they had shamed her for being fat and kind of butch.

This "shame the fat people" idea will probably end up going down that road.
People don't really believe that are required to take shit from you because you think
they are unhealthy.

I think it's unhealthy for me to shame people into busting a cap in my ass.

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Fat people are already shamed, I was 215 for the longest time. Hurt my back really bad and went from golfing 6 times a week to not at all for over a year.
I remember weighing 310 and I was treated a lot different.
Some may have been scared of the huge blad guy but when I got back down to 185 I didn't have that feeling anymore.

What about parents with obese kids, should they be shamed and charged with child abuse? After all isn't it a parents responsibility to ensure the health and well being of their spawn?

Yeah, and If a teacher catches a kid playing with his dick we should make the parents eat a porno mag and register as sex abusers.

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It's probably ego building for a child to see his parents arrested because he's too fat.

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Can parents put the fat kid up for adoption to avoid further charges? Gotta discourage re-offenders ya know.