so what exactly happened to Babenet? - GoFuckYourself.com

Mr Cheeks · 02-24-2003, 04:29 PM

anybody knows? this was posted today at LF

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As many of you may or may not know, BABENET the web's powerhuose affiliate program lost it's ability to provide backends to some of the most successful SPAM operations out there. You see many programs like PINK PAYS.COM, ORGASM.COM, and TEENIE PIE were dependent on the use of their processing for the backends of all their sites.

I have been contacted by a few of the programs who use their backend for SOME sites and have been told to not send new traffic to the sites using the backend and was sent a list of sites that were fine to use. Instead I have been told to send my traffic to PYTHON and Dollar Machine. As they convert better bulk email traffic (SPAM)

The closing down of BABENET"S backend cause quite a stir in Porn Valley and beyone because many of these spam operators weren't the brightest of people. Infact any moron who could hit a send button could use BABENT for their backend and make an easy $100,000 a month- especially when BABENT was paying $40 a webmaster? Now let's do the math....How can an affilte program ever afford to pay out $40, or $5 or $70 like SEXHIT and SILVERCASH once did... How You ask?

Double and triple billing credit cards for starters.....perhaps that's how BABENET lost it's last banking solution?

Or perhaps Rob Gould smoked the remaining assets BABENET had in a glass pipe? It's common knowledge that Rob Gould has been fighting his demons with drugs and infidelity for a while...perhaps the walls closed in ? What's the real story BABENET? Are you moving to Thailand with Seth Warshavsky????
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hollywood · 02-24-2003, 04:48 PM

I don't think this post even deserves a reply.

Babenet is a solid program and will be back in the game sooner than later.

I would like to see you make these claims to Rob's face instead of on a chat forum.

Any large affiliate that handles their own processing will deal with issues as they are going thru at some point in time. Rob is an industry leader, not some back ally crack head as you try to paint him.

And by the way, you may want to increase your vocabulary to include words like "cross sales" in it. This much more accurately describes the double/tripple billing claims you are suggesting.

DrGuile · 02-24-2003, 04:52 PM

what's LF?

and I wouldnt expect babenet to come back.

Now its up to the programs using them as backend to step up and still pay their affiliates.

That will seperate who was a real webmaster program, and who was just an empty shell.

Brujah · 02-24-2003, 04:53 PM

Did Oprano know ?
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=106761

hollywood · 02-24-2003, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DrGuile
what's LF?

and I wouldnt expect babenet to come back.

Now its up to the programs using them as backend to step up and still pay their affiliates.

That will seperate who was a real webmaster program, and who was just an empty shell.

Oops - LF = lukeford.

My bad for directing that reply at alchemist. I didn't see the part about LF;=)

ronin · 02-24-2003, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah
Did Oprano know ?
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=106761

HELL NO!

kevinl · 02-25-2003, 03:07 AM

I remember Serge posting the whole Babenet back end deal on here a few weeks ago.

Mutt · 02-25-2003, 03:31 AM

no problem, Babenet goes down, Python and this Cyprus company I see connected to them step into the breach.

you can never run out of dirtbags in this industry, always somebody new stepping up.

VISA can do anything it wants, there will always be scammers who can run circles around them for awhile.

notjoe · 02-25-2003, 04:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
no problem, Babenet goes down, Python and this Cyprus company I see connected to them step into the breach.

you can never run out of dirtbags in this industry, always somebody new stepping up.

VISA can do anything it wants, there will always be scammers who can run circles around them for awhile.

The more it happens the tougher things will get. My guess is that Mastercard is liking the biz for now but once their complaints hit a certian point they're going to lay the smack down as well

McVisa · 02-25-2003, 06:05 AM

Doubt there will be problems, buying offshore companies and getting merchant accounts is like registering domains these days.

I don't understand what the big problem is, the business scheme is same as for dialer companies.

From reading the posts here and there, the problem seems to be with the reputation of BabeNet (or people there) itself rather than how the scheme is set up itself.

Couple of peeps have said it's unethical and "not right" or whatever... sounds like pure jealousy / ignorance to me.

Bottom Line:
If it's making people at all tiers good money and it's still up after all that time - ...like what's the problem here?

If you don't like the company, why not become their competition?

Stuntpig · 02-25-2003, 09:33 AM

Babenet has always been straight with me, and I owe them a bit of support at the very least.

LF is a sensation whore, I cant recall him ever writing something positive about anyone.
Who gives a damn what Rob's personal life is like? Do they convert? Do they pay their bills? Thats what I care about....
IMHO-
Many of the larger companies have 'Gone Down', but how many stayed down? This might be a rough time for Babenet, but whos to say they wont recover, and perhaps grow stronger because of it?

What a nightmare for them....

CosmicKitten · 02-25-2003, 10:37 AM

I triple dog dare anyone to go join a babenet site, and see what happens to your cc.

That is the problem. Some people are not envious of dishonesty.

oh wait a minute, they lost their processing didnt they

ElvisManson · 02-25-2003, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
no problem, Babenet goes down, Python and this Cyprus company I see connected to them step into the breach.

you can never run out of dirtbags in this industry, always somebody new stepping up.

VISA can do anything it wants, there will always be scammers who can run circles around them for awhile.

are you calling me a scumbag?

that's rich coming from a content thief.

I also noticed that a certain board you moderate on is more than happy to take advertising money from the companies that use this back end billing model.

p00p · 02-25-2003, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisManson

are you calling me a scumbag?

that's rich coming from a content thief.

I also noticed that a certain board you moderate on is more than happy to take advertising money from the companies that use this back end billing model.

If one equates e-mail spammers with scumbags, yes, you are a scumbag. You should tell your spam crew to honor remove requests.

ElvisManson · 02-25-2003, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by p00p

If one equates e-mail spammers with scumbags, yes, you are a scumbag. You should tell your spam crew to honor remove requests.

and you....lol...the guy that never says anything good about anyone.

Um...who are you again?

p00p · 02-25-2003, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisManson

and you....lol...the guy that never says anything good about anyone.

Um...who are you again?

I say good things about good companies and good people. Are you a good person? Do you run a straight company? Are you a spammer? Are you a scammer? Are you a liar?

http://groups.google.ca/groups?num=2...ythonvideo.com

http://groups.google.ca/groups?num=2...larmachine.com

notjoe · 02-25-2003, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisManson

are you calling me a scumbag?

that's rich coming from a content thief.

I also noticed that a certain board you moderate on is more than happy to take advertising money from the companies that use this back end billing model.

Mutt is a content thief? You have to give tell me the story about this.. He was there busting my balls over an honest mistake and i would love to see what he's actually done to steal content!

ElvisManson · 02-25-2003, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by notjoe

Mutt is a content thief? You have to give tell me the story about this.. He was there busting my balls over an honest mistake and i would love to see what he's actually done to steal content!

he was caught using Matrix images to promte HIS content site....lol there is a thread about it somewhere if you do a search

p00p,

you are a hack who spends more time worrying about what other people do rather than making money.

have a great time with it.

p00p · 02-25-2003, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisManson

p00p,

you are a hack who spends more time worrying about what other people do rather than making money.

have a great time with it.

Thanks for your concern over my financial situation. I am making money just fine.
I couldn't give a shit what you do, until your spam crew floods my e-mail addresses with spam. And they don't honor remove requests. You know exactly what is going on, and you lie for them.

Look familiar?
http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/spamme...=33681&-search

CosmicKitten · 02-25-2003, 12:23 PM

hey "alchemist"... isn't that the name of babenet's hosting company? or something like that?

Pornkings · 02-25-2003, 12:28 PM

I'm just a Tadpole

Never kick a dog when its down.. It might come up and bite you in the ass.

Babenet has been around since the beginning I don't see them going anywhere any time soon.

Unless they decide to cash out

Kimmykim · 02-25-2003, 02:43 PM

What a load of fuckall nonsense.

I'm sure that Babenet nor Python will be looming large in the candidacies for sainthood any time soon, but that does NOT mean that they are in league with the devil either.

As ANY large company -- doing in excess of a thousand joins a day -- can tell you, it's almost impossible to maintain the same merchant banking relationship over the long haul and keep your affiliates happy too. If anyone here disagrees, then by all means show me a company that's not lost a merchant account or had to go back to third party...

Everyone gets on here and bitches about IPSP conversions day in and day out, but runs to cash their checks from sponsors using Babenet or Python backends. Hypocrites.

Bottom line is simple... if everyone that cries and screams about how these companies do business STOPS doing business with them, they won't survive. Until that day comes then it's a pointless argument going on here.

Elvis, you guys coming down for the Forum again right?

FlyingIguana · 02-25-2003, 03:12 PM

so what companies use babenet and python backends? seems like every thread i see there's a few more i find out about.

ElvisManson · 02-25-2003, 03:13 PM

Of course we will be there.

Phoenix is one of the best WM get togethers that exists.

SleazyDream · 02-25-2003, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
If anyone here disagrees, then by all means show me a company that's not lost a merchant account or had to go back to third party...

I know of two that have been in business since 95 and do in excess of 1000 joins a day.

Brujah · 02-25-2003, 03:19 PM

Python is bulletproof.

Kimmykim · 02-25-2003, 03:29 PM

No one is bulletproof, some are just smarter than others.

I dunno that I'd be so sure to count Babenet out either.

Pornkings · 02-25-2003, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisManson
Of course we will be there.

Phoenix is one of the best WM get togethers that exists.

whats the link for the phoenix forum

WiredGuy · 02-25-2003, 03:35 PM

Roger> http://www.thephoenixforum.com/
Bring Jen with you :-)

WG

ElvisManson · 02-25-2003, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah
Python is bulletproof.

Hotlinker

Brujah · 02-25-2003, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisManson

Hotlinker

Who me ?

CraigA · 02-25-2003, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pornkings
I'm just a Tadpole

Never kick a dog when its down.. It might come up and bite you in the ass.

Babenet has been around since the beginning I don't see them going anywhere any time soon.

Unless they decide to cash out

Roger, I believe that's the best policy. There's a lot of speculation flying out there right now. Rob has been a big player in this industry so we'll have to see what shakes out.

02-24-2003, 04:29 PM	#1
Mr Cheeks Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 901	so what exactly happened to Babenet? anybody knows? this was posted today at LF <i> As many of you may or may not know, BABENET the web's powerhuose affiliate program lost it's ability to provide backends to some of the most successful SPAM operations out there. You see many programs like PINK PAYS.COM, ORGASM.COM, and TEENIE PIE were dependent on the use of their processing for the backends of all their sites. I have been contacted by a few of the programs who use their backend for SOME sites and have been told to not send new traffic to the sites using the backend and was sent a list of sites that were fine to use. Instead I have been told to send my traffic to PYTHON and Dollar Machine. As they convert better bulk email traffic (SPAM) The closing down of BABENET"S backend cause quite a stir in Porn Valley and beyone because many of these spam operators weren't the brightest of people. Infact any moron who could hit a send button could use BABENT for their backend and make an easy $100,000 a month- especially when BABENT was paying $40 a webmaster? Now let's do the math....How can an affilte program ever afford to pay out $40, or $5 or $70 like SEXHIT and SILVERCASH once did... How You ask? Double and triple billing credit cards for starters.....perhaps that's how BABENET lost it's last banking solution? Or perhaps Rob Gould smoked the remaining assets BABENET had in a glass pipe? It's common knowledge that Rob Gould has been fighting his demons with drugs and infidelity for a while...perhaps the walls closed in ? What's the real story BABENET? Are you moving to Thailand with Seth Warshavsky???? </i>

02-24-2003, 04:52 PM	#3
DrGuile Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,025	what's LF? and I wouldnt expect babenet to come back. Now its up to the programs using them as backend to step up and still pay their affiliates. That will seperate who was a real webmaster program, and who was just an empty shell. __________________ LiveBucks / Privatefeeds - Giving you money since 1999 Up to 50% Commission! 25% Webmaster Referal Powered by Gamma

02-24-2003, 04:53 PM	#4
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	Did Oprano know ? http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=106761 __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

02-25-2003, 03:07 AM	#7
kevinl Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: US Posts: 261	I remember Serge posting the whole Babenet back end deal on here a few weeks ago. __________________ kevinl

02-25-2003, 03:31 AM	#8
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	no problem, Babenet goes down, Python and this Cyprus company I see connected to them step into the breach. you can never run out of dirtbags in this industry, always somebody new stepping up. VISA can do anything it wants, there will always be scammers who can run circles around them for awhile. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

02-24-2003, 04:48 PM	#2
hollywood Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 483	I don't think this post even deserves a reply. Babenet is a solid program and will be back in the game sooner than later. I would like to see you make these claims to Rob's face instead of on a chat forum. Any large affiliate that handles their own processing will deal with issues as they are going thru at some point in time. Rob is an industry leader, not some back ally crack head as you try to paint him. And by the way, you may want to increase your vocabulary to include words like "cross sales" in it. This much more accurately describes the double/tripple billing claims you are suggesting.

02-25-2003, 06:05 AM	#10
McVisa Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 38	Doubt there will be problems, buying offshore companies and getting merchant accounts is like registering domains these days. I don't understand what the big problem is, the business scheme is same as for dialer companies. From reading the posts here and there, the problem seems to be with the reputation of BabeNet (or people there) itself rather than how the scheme is set up itself. Couple of peeps have said it's unethical and "not right" or whatever... sounds like pure jealousy / ignorance to me. Bottom Line: If it's making people at all tiers good money and it's still up after all that time - ...like what's the problem here? If you don't like the company, why not become their competition?

02-25-2003, 09:33 AM	#11
Stuntpig Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 299	Babenet has always been straight with me, and I owe them a bit of support at the very least. LF is a sensation whore, I cant recall him ever writing something positive about anyone. Who gives a damn what Rob's personal life is like? Do they convert? Do they pay their bills? Thats what I care about.... IMHO- Many of the larger companies have 'Gone Down', but how many stayed down? This might be a rough time for Babenet, but whos to say they wont recover, and perhaps grow stronger because of it? What a nightmare for them....

02-25-2003, 10:37 AM	#12
CosmicKitten Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 225	I triple dog dare anyone to go join a babenet site, and see what happens to your cc. That is the problem. Some people are not envious of dishonesty. oh wait a minute, they lost their processing didnt they

02-25-2003, 12:23 PM	#20
CosmicKitten Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 225	hey "alchemist"... isn't that the name of babenet's hosting company? or something like that?

02-25-2003, 12:28 PM	#21
Pornkings Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Roger V Posts: 5,334	I'm just a Tadpole Never kick a dog when its down.. It might come up and bite you in the ass. Babenet has been around since the beginning I don't see them going anywhere any time soon. Unless they decide to cash out __________________ Pornkings.com

02-25-2003, 02:43 PM	#22
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	What a load of fuckall nonsense. I'm sure that Babenet nor Python will be looming large in the candidacies for sainthood any time soon, but that does NOT mean that they are in league with the devil either. As ANY large company -- doing in excess of a thousand joins a day -- can tell you, it's almost impossible to maintain the same merchant banking relationship over the long haul and keep your affiliates happy too. If anyone here disagrees, then by all means show me a company that's not lost a merchant account or had to go back to third party... Everyone gets on here and bitches about IPSP conversions day in and day out, but runs to cash their checks from sponsors using Babenet or Python backends. Hypocrites. Bottom line is simple... if everyone that cries and screams about how these companies do business STOPS doing business with them, they won't survive. Until that day comes then it's a pointless argument going on here. Elvis, you guys coming down for the Forum again right?

02-25-2003, 03:12 PM	#23
FlyingIguana aspiring banker Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: toronto Posts: 10,870	so what companies use babenet and python backends? seems like every thread i see there's a few more i find out about.

02-25-2003, 03:13 PM	#24
ElvisManson Looking California Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 5,476	Of course we will be there. Phoenix is one of the best WM get togethers that exists.

02-25-2003, 03:19 PM	#26
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	Python is bulletproof. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com Last edited by Brujah; 02-25-2003 at 03:41 PM..

02-25-2003, 03:29 PM	#27
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	No one is bulletproof, some are just smarter than others. I dunno that I'd be so sure to count Babenet out either.

02-25-2003, 03:35 PM	#29
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,487	Roger> http://www.thephoenixforum.com/ Bring Jen with you :-) WG __________________ I play with Google.