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SwirlsGirl 07-01-2013 05:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldBarsXXX (Post 19694287)
over and over I have said,

1. I should have had the chance to opt out of that MasterCard fee just like epoch and ccbill but I didn't. That's shady.

2. I never made a request to have my account terminated. I just mentioned here on gfy a while back that
I would remove them from my cascade and yet they terminated my account based on that without any
notice! I never made a formal request. I had to find out myself after 2 months when all my rebills were
gone and I had no sales. That's shady.

3. I had a number of rebills and they're all gone. I just checked my htpasswd file and realized the
logins were still there. That's shady.

4. They owed me 750$ and and yet sent me only 337.82$ and defrauded me of the rest.That's shady.

It's not just one issue. It's a number issues.
Please continue this is starting to sound like an episode of 3 and a half middle men

Do all the middle men read from the same playbook...."The Art of the Approval Decline"

SegPay 07-01-2013 07:44 AM
Dear Gold Bars,

Per your request, we refunded your $500 and have continued to payout your account as scheduled. You notified your Sales Director that you would be removing SegPay from your cascade. From a risk perspective we do not keep inactive accounts open. You had 5 rebills remaining at the time of account closure, is this what you have an issue with? We can transfer those 5 members to a PCI compliant third party if you wish.

GoldBarsXXX 07-03-2013 09:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SegPay (Post 19694641)
Dear Gold Bars,

Per your request, we refunded your $500 and have continued to payout your account as scheduled. You notified your Sales Director that you would be removing SegPay from your cascade. From a risk perspective we do not keep inactive accounts open. You had 5 rebills remaining at the time of account closure, is this what you have an issue with? We can transfer those 5 members to a PCI compliant third party if you wish.

1.I did not get the 500$.
2.I did not my sales director that I would be removing SegPay from my cascade. I mentioned here in the thread. That doesnt mean anything.
3. I had 6 rebills and that means the account must have remained active. But you stole them. You cannot terminante an active account with rebills no matter what. Not to mention terminating it without notice. I lost two months rebills and sales.
4. I should have had the chance to opt out of that MasterCard fee just like epoch and ccbill but I didnt.
5. I checked my htpasswd file two months after the account termination and realized the logins were still there. That's fraud.

GoldBarsXXX 07-22-2013 08:54 PM
Still no news from these swindlers.

GoldBarsXXX 08-02-2013 10:18 AM
still ignoring my requests.

2MuchMark 08-02-2013 11:04 AM
Yikes! Big mistake.

First, like everyone else here, Segpay is a really respected biller. Cathy and her whole team go out of their way to help their clients. Trying to trash them in a public forum by calling them a scam makes you look bad, not them.

Besides that, you should not cancel your Mastercard service. Even if your Mastercard sales are low, you need to make it as easy as possible for your customers to spend money, not harder. You already have at least 2 billing processors in a cascade for this very reason.

If I were you I'd offer up an apology to Segpay and get back to work increasing your sales.

Best,

2MuchMark 08-02-2013 11:10 AM
Also:


Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldBarsXXX (Post 19701947)
1.I did not get the 500$.
2.I did not my sales director that I would be removing SegPay from my cascade. I mentioned here in the thread. That doesnt mean anything.
They probably won't, and shouldn't, respond to you in this thread. Call or email your sales rep and wait patiently for them to get back to you.

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldBarsXXX (Post 19701947)
3. I had 6 rebills and that means the account must have remained active. But you stole them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldBarsXXX (Post 19701947)
You cannot terminante an active account with rebills no matter what. Not to mention terminating it without notice. I lost two months rebills and sales.

4. I should have had the chance to opt out of that MasterCard fee just like epoch and ccbill but I didnt.
https://secure2.segpay.com/client/fi...Conditions.htm

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldBarsXXX (Post 19701947)
5. I checked my htpasswd file two months after the account termination and realized the logins were still there. That's fraud.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation x 2

GoldBarsXXX 08-17-2013 10:43 AM
1.I did not get the 500$.
2.I did not my sales director that I would be removing SegPay from my cascade. I mentioned here in the thread. That doesn't mean anything.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ********** (Post 19743449)
They probably won't, and shouldn't, respond to you in this thread. Call or email your sales rep and wait patiently for them to get back to you.

You talk about defamation. how about embezzlement? They should contact me not the other way. I have 6 very old re-bills running with them and they are not paying me those either.

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3. I had 6 rebills and that means the account must have remained active. But you stole them.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ********** (Post 19743449)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_expression

Also as you can see it says "Segpay Scam?" in the title which makes it a question and not a statement. In fact I made this thread AFTER I had contacted them several times and had made a more friendly thread "Mastercard fee" to get some answers. I still want my re-bills.''

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3. I had 6 rebills and that means the account must have remained active. But you stole them. You cannot terminante an active account with rebills no matter what. Not to mention terminating it without notice. I lost two months rebills and sales.
4. I should have had the chance to opt out of that MasterCard fee just like epoch and ccbill but I didnt.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ********** (Post 19743449)

It does not say anywhere there that they can terminate an account on a whim wihtout prior notice WITH ACTIVE REBILLS!!!

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5. I checked my htpasswd file two months after the account termination and realized the logins were still there. That's fraud.


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They do not answer my requests to transfer those re-bills to ccbill or epoch.

SwirlsGirl 08-17-2013 11:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldBarsXXX (Post 19762599)
1.I did not get the 500$.
2.I did not my sales director that I would be removing SegPay from my cascade. I mentioned here in the thread. That doesn't mean anything.




You talk about defamation. how about embezzlement? They should contact me not the other way. I have 6 very old re-bills running with them and they are not paying me those either.

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3. I had 6 rebills and that means the account must have remained active. But you stole them.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_expression

Also as you can see it says "Segpay Scam?" in the title which makes it a question and not a statement. In fact I made this thread AFTER I had contacted them several times and had made a more friendly thread "Mastercard fee" to get some answers. I still want my re-bills.''

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3. I had 6 rebills and that means the account must have remained active. But you stole them. You cannot terminante an active account with rebills no matter what. Not to mention terminating it without notice. I lost two months rebills and sales.
4. I should have had the chance to opt out of that MasterCard fee just like epoch and ccbill but I didnt.




It does not say anywhere there that they can terminate an account on a whim wihtout prior notice WITH ACTIVE REBILLS!!!

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5. I checked my htpasswd file two months after the account termination and realized the logins were still there. That's fraud.


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They do not answer my requests to transfer those re-bills to ccbill or epoch.
Oh you better believe middle men are gonna stay middl'n there is no over sight,transaprency,or accountability the best weapon you have at this point is gfy support ticket...


Just use the gfy support ticket until your query is resolved.

signupdamnit 08-17-2013 02:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldBarsXXX (Post 19694287)
over and over I have said,

1. I should have had the chance to opt out of that MasterCard fee just like epoch and ccbill but I didn't. That's shady.

2. I never made a request to have my account terminated. I just mentioned here on gfy a while back that
I would remove them from my cascade and yet they terminated my account based on that without any
notice! I never made a formal request. I had to find out myself after 2 months when all my rebills were
gone and I had no sales. That's shady.

3. I had a number of rebills and they're all gone. I just checked my htpasswd file and realized the
logins were still there. That's shady.

4. They owed me 750$ and and yet sent me only 337.82$ and defrauded me of the rest.That's shady.

It's not just one issue. It's a number issues.
If this is all true and you strongly believe you are in the right these might be of use.

http://www.ripoffreport.com/
https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/
http://www.mastercard.us/support/mer...iolations.html (not the right place but worth a shot since it could get forwarded )

http://sheriff.org/ (Broward county sheriff)
http://www.coralsprings.org/Police/ContactUsPolice.cfm

Segpay seems to have a Coral Springs, FL address in the U.S. Sometimes bringing things to the attention of local authorities can bring surprising results when there is a porn connection. Especially in Florida.

For the .htpasswd I think you can change that yourself. They might not want to touch it after they terminated your account since they presumably don't own the server and they severed business relationships/contracts.

Anyway you would think it would be smarter for them to reasonably work with you even though you aren't a "bro". It's never smart to piss someone off no matter how big they are.

signupdamnit 08-17-2013 03:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldBarsXXX (Post 19620873)
Quote:
Originally Posted by SegPay
Gold Bars,

SegPay announced its compliance with the MasterCard Payment Facilitator Model in September of 2012. We were one of the first IPSPs to comply with the program and were actually able to earn amnesty for all of our clients for their initial registration fee of $500. Your account came up for renewal in May of 2013. We announced the renewal fee on April 25, 2013 and that the $500 renewal fee would be deducted from the May 7, 2013 payout. This email notification was sent to the contact information we have on file in our system. Your Sales Director will be in touch with you to discuss how we can close out your account.
So it looks like you didn't give him any chance at all to opt out for the charge May 7,2013 (there was no way to opt out per the screenshot above - it was not just a matter of opting out too late) however you would have gladly opted him out for next year. That is the main reason why he is upset. It also looks like you failed to communicate to him that he could not opt out when he initially said he wanted to opt out.

In addition to that less than a week after taking the $500 fee which he could not opt out of you have now unilaterally closed his account because he said some things on the forum about you. So he paid $500 for one week.

adultchatpay 08-17-2013 04:47 PM
This thread is brewing

adultmobile 08-17-2013 06:03 PM
Not impressed, I still have segpay in the billers list.

bean-aid 08-17-2013 08:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by beaner (Post 19689650)
Why use third party IPSP's is beyond me. This entire industry is set on it, yet, makes no sense at all.

Carry on... I do think you got taken advantage of for another $500 then to boot, like most do, they canned your account for bitching.
This was my reply in this thread... I was actually backing OP.

Quote:
Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 19762812)
So it looks like you didn't give him any chance at all to opt out for the charge May 7,2013 (there was no way to opt out per the screenshot above - it was not just a matter of opting out too late) however you would have gladly opted him out for next year. That is the main reason why he is upset. It also looks like you failed to communicate to him that he could not opt out when he initially said he wanted to opt out.

In addition to that less than a week after taking the $500 fee which he could not opt out of you have now unilaterally closed his account because he said some things on the forum about you. So he paid $500 for one week.
After I made the above post... OP sent me a nasty email. It does seem like he got hood winked and forced into $500... but OP is also an illiterate and a racist. So I say fuck em anyway.

SwirlsGirl 08-18-2013 07:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by beaner (Post 19762999)
This was my reply in this thread... I was actually backing OP.



After I made the above post... OP sent me a nasty email. It does seem like he got hood winked and forced into $500... but OP is also an illiterate and a racist. So I say fuck em anyway.
Gold Bars...I hope what Beaner is saying was some sort of miscommunication or something because you generally don't want to piss of the few that are sympathetic and could possibly offer you real help around here!

Also If you are a racist which I cannot confirm but I certainly have no reason to doubt Beaner if he insists that you are....that in my opinion makes you no better than the cheesy rats who fucked your rebills and closed your account.

Please clarify your position...why would you send Beaner a nasty email he certainly was backing you in the thread and so was I until this revelation?

iSpyCams 08-18-2013 02:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ********** (Post 19743438)
Yikes! Big mistake.

First, like everyone else here, Segpay is a really respected biller. Cathy and her whole team go out of their way to help their clients. Trying to trash them in a public forum by calling them a scam makes you look bad, not them.

Besides that, you should not cancel your Mastercard service. Even if your Mastercard sales are low, you need to make it as easy as possible for your customers to spend money, not harder. You already have at least 2 billing processors in a cascade for this very reason.

If I were you I'd offer up an apology to Segpay and get back to work increasing your sales.

Best,
I don't know why you or anyone would think its wrong to call people out when they feel they are being wronged. Ass-kissing is not the only way to get results.

This new Mastercard fee is pure bullshit and I for one think its wonderful that people are opting out. I started using my own merchant accounts through Netbilling a few years back and at $500 a year is was worth it to keep my 2 CCBill accounts and my Epoch account open. At $1000 a year it isn't. I let my Epoch account lapse yesterday and one of my CCbill accounts is due for renewal next week, I think I will take the opportunity to let MC know where they can stick it.

SwirlsGirl 08-18-2013 04:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pompousjohn (Post 19763585)
I don't know why you or anyone would think its wrong to call people out when they feel they are being wronged. Ass-kissing is not the only way to get results.

This new Mastercard fee is pure bullshit and I for one think its wonderful that people are opting out. I started using my own merchant accounts through Netbilling a few years back and at $500 a year is was worth it to keep my 2 CCBill accounts and my Epoch account open. At $1000 a year it isn't. I let my Epoch account lapse yesterday and one of my CCbill accounts is due for renewal next week, I think I will take the opportunity to let MC know where they can stick it.
Great post and good for you! We did exactly the same opted out of mastercard thru ccbill after 8 years said fuck them simple as that.

I know 100% and can prove 100% which I won't do on gfy but 3rd party billing is and was a barrier to me making transactions and sales...period

It should be obvious the cheesy rats need to be cleaned out of this biz..for the overall better efficiency of everyone.

There has to be another way and a better way where they do not have all of the control and access to data, and transactions.

Everyone should remember despite what mark prince would have you believe we are the ones who are the engine of the industry the middle men simply transfer funds...no innovation or skill required...that is how you keep them in check remind them of whatthey really are and never refer to them as anything other than middle men.

example...good evening mr middle man I have an issue with my account.

How are you today mrs.middle man why are my transactions showing yo yo's

just keep reminding them in a subtle manner that you are the shot caller..and they are not.

It is a point that we may have to go to war over but we run this mother and they should conduct themselves in a manner that proves this fact.

They should not act like they can play fast and loose with accounts and individuals. Its an arrogance embedded in their genes and its disgusting

okay good luck I'm out

TheSquealer 08-18-2013 04:50 PM

bean-aid 08-18-2013 07:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl (Post 19763255)
Gold Bars...I hope what Beaner is saying was some sort of miscommunication or something because you generally don't want to piss of the few that are sympathetic and could possibly offer you real help around here!

Also If you are a racist which I cannot confirm but I certainly have no reason to doubt Beaner if he insists that you are....that in my opinion makes you no better than the cheesy rats who fucked your rebills and closed your account.

Please clarify your position...why would you send Beaner a nasty email he certainly was backing you in the thread and so was I until this revelation?
Watch this... he posts in this thread again I will screenshot the email and post it. I have a feeling he ain't gonna post again. Little fuck nugget could have had some gfy support and likely made some more money back, instead, he fucks it up.

GoldBarsXXX 08-19-2013 04:07 AM
The word "bitching" got me to overreact. But I am not a racist since I am not white myself.
Sorry for the miscommunication. I am just not a big fan of cursing.

GoldBarsXXX 08-19-2013 04:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 19762796)
If this is all true and you strongly believe you are in the right these might be of use.

http://www.ripoffreport.com/
https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/
http://www.mastercard.us/support/mer...iolations.html (not the right place but worth a shot since it could get forwarded )

http://sheriff.org/ (Broward county sheriff)
http://www.coralsprings.org/Police/ContactUsPolice.cfm

Segpay seems to have a Coral Springs, FL address in the U.S. Sometimes bringing things to the attention of local authorities can bring surprising results when there is a porn connection. Especially in Florida.

For the .htpasswd I think you can change that yourself. They might not want to touch it after they terminated your account since they presumably don't own the server and they severed business relationships/contracts.

Anyway you would think it would be smarter for them to reasonably work with you even though you aren't a "bro". It's never smart to piss someone off no matter how big they are.



Thank you VERY much for this information. As I've already stated I had already let go of the MC fee. But I need those re-bills back. That's 150-200$ a month and very old customers.

SwirlsGirl 08-19-2013 07:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldBarsXXX (Post 19764057)
The word "bitching" got me to overreact. But I am not a racist since I am not white myself.
Sorry for the miscommunication. I am just not a big fan of cursing.
Thanks for the clarity, we all tend to overreact at times...you don't have to be white to be a racist LOL but glad to hear you are not a racist anyway.

We can all have different opinions on different things but where we should be united is against shady middle men and cheesy rats...we should form alliances and when the cheesy rats try funny business with one of us...we should pile up on them and make them think long and hard before they do it again.

We all know the sting of cheesy rat middle men just doing what the fuck they want to do with impunity taking monies that are not theirs and closing accounts and then coming to GFY and posting wanton lies thru their keyboards completely lying to the public trying to salvage and save their companies image!

I can assure you the power of the gfy support ticket...I used it recently to close out a past misunderstanding that most likely would not have been settled if not for the power of the gfy support ticket.

GoldBarsXXX 09-30-2013 08:56 AM
I contacted them to have my rebills moved to ccbill. Now they tell me they are gone.
Those were very old rebills amounting to about 250$ a month.

I also just realized that these people are ex-ibill people and you must know they like to solicit business and that's how they got me a few years ago.

GoldBarsXXX 11-12-2013 09:52 AM
class act lawsuit coming...

nikki99 11-12-2013 05:19 PM
and what happend goldbarsxxx?

F-U-Jimmy 11-12-2013 10:43 PM
Segpay was started by ex Ibill employees so i have been waiting for shit like this to start.
As they say the apple never falls far from the tree.

GoldBarsXXX 01-04-2014 12:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by F-U-Jimmy (Post 19871432)
Segpay was started by ex Ibill employees so i have been waiting for shit like this to start.
As they say the apple never falls far from the tree.

They owe me 1000+ dollars now with all those rebills. However I have removed the logins from my htpasswd file.

Major (Tom) 01-04-2014 01:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldBarsXXX (Post 19933196)
They owe me 1000+ dollars now with all those rebills. However I have removed the logins from my htpasswd file.
I've never been ripped off by segpay. They are fantastic. As a matter of fact I'm enjoying their Xmas gift right now. Scammers? Hardly. Shrewd business operators & an honest company, 100%
Duke

2MuchMark 01-04-2014 07:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 19933222)
I've never been ripped off by segpay. They are fantastic. As a matter of fact I'm enjoying their Xmas gift right now. Scammers? Hardly. Shrewd business operators & an honest company, 100%
Duke

Quoted for truth. Cathy and all of Segpay are excellent, honest, efficient, flexible and maybe most importantly, very helpful to both new and existing businesses. Goldbarsxxx I'm sorry dude but you handled this issue in the worst possible way. What you should have done is get someone on the phone, explain the issue, work it out and get a simple agreement by email. Bringing it to a public forum made you look bad, and made Segpay shine.

GoldBarsXXX 01-05-2014 11:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ********** (Post 19933441)
Quoted for truth. Cathy and all of Segpay are excellent, honest, efficient, flexible and maybe most importantly, very helpful to both new and existing businesses. Goldbarsxxx I'm sorry dude but you handled this issue in the worst possible way. What you should have done is get someone on the phone, explain the issue, work it out and get a simple agreement by email. Bringing it to a public forum made you look bad, and made Segpay shine.

Please read the entire thread and you'll see how many shady things they've done. You're are on your own. They got me on board by soliciting and I know for a fact nothing good comes out of people soliciting.

k0nr4d 01-05-2014 11:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SegPay (Post 19694641)
Dear Gold Bars,

Per your request, we refunded your $500 and have continued to payout your account as scheduled. You notified your Sales Director that you would be removing SegPay from your cascade. From a risk perspective we do not keep inactive accounts open. You had 5 rebills remaining at the time of account closure, is this what you have an issue with? We can transfer those 5 members to a PCI compliant third party if you wish.
Don't you have some sort of privacy policy? You really shouldn't be posting information such as how many rebilling members a client had on a public forum...

SwirlsGirl 01-05-2014 11:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldBarsXXX (Post 19933888)
Please read the entire thread and you'll see how many shady things they've done. You're are on your own. They got me on board by soliciting and I know for a fact nothing good comes out of people soliciting.
It is mark prince we are talking about...he is clueless

he does not realize his blind 100% public sac cleansing and allegiance of any middle man/3rd party biller is enough to make you vomit on your keyboard

just pretend you can not read his posts they are disconnected from reality and completely biased with an affinity towards defending shady billers while attacking the victims of shady billing

Kenny B! 01-05-2014 11:54 AM
I have accounts with just about every 3rd party billing company and have my own merchant accounts. I don't play favorites, so I can say that SegPay one of, if not the best of the 3rd party options out there.

From their support, to sales to scrub they are fantastic. Wires are never late, EVER!

Before you go calling them shady, might want to check facts... SegPay clients get paid directly by the bank, we get paid before they do.

BFT3K 01-05-2014 12:42 PM
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