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theking 04-25-2013 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19597675)
according to the documents wikileaks leaked.


i think there were rumblings prior to that re: a connection, but like the wmd's, i'll be darned if i ever caught wind of that.

Iraq had very indirect ties with Al Qaeda...and no working relationship with them...but there were gunfounded rumors of a close connection.

After the invasion elements of Al Qaeda appeared among the Iraq insurgent fighters at some point in time.

dyna mo 04-25-2013 04:09 PM

here's a reference to tie revealed by the wikileaks:::::::::

Quote:

The case for removing Saddam Hussein from power just got due to an unlikely source: Wikileaks. Newly-released files about detainees held in Guantanamo Bay identify two individuals who served as liaisons between Saddam Hussein?s regime and the Taliban and Al-Qaeda.
A leaked file says that Jawad Jabber Sadkhan, an Iraqi intelligence officer who moved to Afghanistan in 1998, ?admittedly forged official documents and reportedly provided liaison between the governments of Afghanistan and Iraq.? The government of Afghanistan at that time was the Taliban, which employed him as a vicious interrogator for its intelligence service. His driver said he was also close to Osama Bin Laden, who paid him before and after the 9/11 attacks. Another detainee revealed that Sadkhan would travel to Iraq through Iran to retrieve supplies for the Taliban. Sadkhan was not universally popular, as his superior, Abdul-Hadi al-Iraqi, warned Saif al-Adel in November 1998 that he was part of a group of Iraqis ?involved in un-Islamic activities.? This accusation did not end the relationship.
According to another detainee named Abbas Habid Rumi al-Naely, Sadkhan was a member of one of Saddam Hussein?s top units tasked with assassinating political opponents. The U.S. government also identified al-Naely as a liaison between Saddam Hussein?s regime and Al-Qaeda. He joined the Taliban in 1994 while living in Baghdad. One U.S. government memo shows he was accused of preparing attacks on the U.S. and British embassies in Pakistan in August 1998 with an Iraqi intelligence officer on the orders of Osama Bin Laden. Later memos did not include the charge.

_Richard_ 04-25-2013 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19597346)
awesome d&d!

was it?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/iraq...D-4DB8CD7F9357

this is the report, dated 2006.. so x numbers of years after the whole 'wmd' would have remotely mattered.. because the invasion happened years before

theking 04-25-2013 04:23 PM

As to Iraq having large amounts of WMD on hand prior to the invasion of Iraq...it was reported that shortly prior to the invasion there were truck convoys going into Syria and some believe and still believe to this day that is where Iraq's WMD's are.

Me...I believe Saddam. After his capture Saddam told his one and only interrorgator that he eventually had destroyed his WMD...as per the U.N.'s order to do so...after the '91 conflict...and that he was running a bluff...not so much against the U.S. but against other countries in the region...primarily against Iran.

He miscalulated and pushed the bluff to long and to far.

baddog 04-25-2013 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19597507)
If Saddam had simply let the UN inspectors do their jobs, he'd be sitting in one of his many palaces right now.

:thumbsup

dyna mo 04-25-2013 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19597691)
was it?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/iraq...D-4DB8CD7F9357

this is the report, dated 2006.. so x numbers of years after the whole 'wmd' would have remotely mattered.. because the invasion happened years before

yeah, again, the op was a question about why the wilileaks report has been ignored, you still choose to not answer. i mean that's fine, either way, but that was my question to gfy, i'm interested in people's opinions on why that has been ignored. i have my opinion on why i've ignored it, was hoping to get some other views.

no biggie if you don't want to participate.

baddog 04-25-2013 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19597704)
yeah, again, the op was a question about why the wilileaks report has been ignored, you still choose to not answer. i mean that's fine, either way, but that was my question to gfy, i'm interested in people's opinions on why that has been ignored. i have my opinion on why i've ignored it, was hoping to get some other views.

no biggie if you don't want to participate.

http://www.bangersandnash.com/wp-con...se-seattle.jpg

Hotlink

_Richard_ 04-25-2013 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19597704)
yeah, again, the op was a question about why the wilileaks report has been ignored, you still choose to not answer. i mean that's fine, either way, but that was my question to gfy, i'm interested in people's opinions on why that has been ignored. i have my opinion on why i've ignored it, was hoping to get some other views.

no biggie if you don't want to participate.

how was it ignored? you yourself posted links to news articles about it during the time the cables were sent

i did participate. That wikileak is about 2007, 2 years after the battle of fallejuh and the use of white phosphorous.. so when those 'chemical weapons' were being smuggled in by the iranians, US forces had been using chemical weapons so long the birth defects that are devastating that entire area were already well on its way

_Richard_ 04-25-2013 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19597711)

seriously?

dyna mo 04-25-2013 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19597718)
how was it ignored? you yourself posted links to news articles about it during the time the cables were sent

i did participate. That wikileak is about 2007, 2 years after the battle of fallejuh and the use of white phosphorous.. so when those 'chemical weapons' were being smuggled in by the iranians, US forces had been using chemical weapons so long the birth defects that are devastating that entire area were already well on its way

cool, got it, thank you for your participation.



hoping to hear from some others now on why the 2010 wikileaks was ignored.

_Richard_ 04-25-2013 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19597722)
cool, got it, thank you for your participation.



hoping to hear from some others now on why the 2010 wikileaks was ignored.

was it? you posted an article

oh someone else. my bad.

i hope they agree with your view point

theking 04-25-2013 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19597718)
how was it ignored? you yourself posted links to news articles about it during the time the cables were sent

i did participate. That wikileak is about 2007, 2 years after the battle of fallejuh and the use of white phosphorous.. so when those 'chemical weapons' were being smuggled in by the iranians, US forces had been using chemical weapons so long the birth defects that are devastating that entire area were already well on its way

Pigshit...the U.S. did not use chemical weapons...period...unless you are calling white phosphorous a chemical weapon and if you are white phosphorous does not cause birth defects. Some of the birth defects in Iraq are caused by depleted Uranium munitions.

dyna mo 04-25-2013 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19597728)
was it? you posted an article

oh someone else. my bad.

i hope they agree with your view point

what's my view on this?

pimpmaster9000 04-25-2013 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19597619)
I could care less if Iraq had chemical weapons or not. The truth is Iraq signed a peace treaty establishing the no fly zones, and then shot at our planes. No matter what planet you are from, if you shoot at a jet it's an act of war. We were already in a defacto state of war - they would target and shoot at US war planes, and we would bomb them.

The rest is just details.

actually you first supplied them with chemical weapons against iran...then you actually gave him the green light to invade kuwait...then you invaded him back...then you taunted him by moving your war machine close to his land...

now would the USA put up with saddams warships and planes doing "maneuvers" close to its shores? of course not...what makes the USA think anybody else will tolerate it? ah yes the double standard...its ok when we do it but when others do it we get mad...

you made him do an "avghanistan" and then turned your back on your ally...he was your best boy back then...

its not like you claim that he had nothing better to do one day and just shot one of your peace planes with flowers and medication....

_Richard_ 04-25-2013 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theking (Post 19597730)
Pigshit...the U.S. did not use chemical weapons...period...unless you are calling white phosphorous a chemical weapon and if you are white phosphorous does not cause birth defects. Some of the birth defects in Iraq are caused by depleted Uranium munitions.

how do you know white phosphorous doesn't cause birth defects?

you don't consider white phosphorous to be a chemical?

theking 04-25-2013 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 19597732)
actually you first supplied them with chemical weapons against iran...then you actually gave him the green light to invade kuwait...then you invaded him back...then you taunted him by moving your war machine close to his land...

now would the USA put up with saddams warships and planes doing "maneuvers" close to its shores? of course not...what makes the USA think anybody else will tolerate it? ah yes the double standard...its ok when we do it but when others do it we get mad...

you made him do an "avghanistan" and then turned your back on your ally...he was your best boy back then...

its not like you claim that he had nothing better to do one day and just shot one of your peace planes with flowers and medication....

Pigshit...you are ignorant.

_Richard_ 04-25-2013 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19597731)
what's my view on this?

probably something you agree with

theking 04-25-2013 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19597739)
how do you know white phosphorous doesn't cause birth defects?

you don't consider white phosphorous to be a chemical?

White phosphorous is made from chemicals...and has been used in every major conflict the U.S. has engaged in since and including the Second World War...but is not classified as a chemical WMD.

It is not known by the Medical world that White Phosphorous causes birth defects.

Satisfied...sport.

_Richard_ 04-25-2013 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theking (Post 19597759)
White phosphorous is made from chemicals...and has been used in every major conflict the U.S. has engaged in since and including the Second World War...but is not classified as a chemical WMD.

It is not known by the Medical world that White Phosphorous causes birth defects.

Satisfied...sport.

not in the slightest old man

for depleted uranium, you have that in almost all your ammunition, something that was used all over iraq

however, the birth defects issue?

seem to be concentrated solely in Basura and Fallujah, the two cities you guys STOMPED with white phosphorus.

coincidence? Must be. You CDC seems to think there is 'no research at all' over what this does to children

however US history shows you have no problems testing out your new toys on children; so long as they're poor, and preferably black.

_Richard_ 04-25-2013 05:14 PM

http://www.uruknet.info/pic.php?f=20...rth-defect.jpg

wake the fuck up

theking 04-25-2013 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19597769)
not in the slightest old man

for depleted uranium, you have that in almost all your ammunition, something that was used all over iraq

however, the birth defects issue?

seem to be concentrated solely in Basura and Fallujah, the two cities you guys STOMPED with white phosphorus.

coincidence? Must be. You CDC seems to think there is 'no research at all' over what this does to children

however US history shows you have no problems testing out your new toys on children; so long as they're poor, and preferably black.

Pigshit...and I now see what you are...Canadian trash...thus you are.. permanently dismissed.

CD Smith is one of the few Canadians on this board that is a decent...reasonable person with any common sense.

_Richard_ 04-25-2013 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theking (Post 19597780)
Pigshit...and I now see what you are...Canadian trash...thus you are.. permanently dismissed.

CD Smith is one of the few Canadians on this board that is a decent...reasonable person with any common sense.

im sure he appreciates the pat on the back, Pathfinder

JFK 04-25-2013 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19597773)

SAD :2 cents:

dyna mo 04-25-2013 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19597773)

look, i'm quoting your picture because it's important, and tragic. so important that it warrants its own thread. something for you to consider.

something else to consider is this thread, i think it too is important.


just like you posted that picture as shock value to "wake the fuck up" this thread is the same.

wake the fuck up.

instead of using 9/11 or anti whatever to shock, i used the cover-up of the wikileaks. this isn't an endorsement of bush, war, iraq 1 or 2 or the current government.

it's the opposite. i hope you get that. i really do.

DWB 04-25-2013 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19597507)
He had jets and tanks buried in the desert, not too hard to bury warheads and plastic drums. He had 10+ years to do it.

I don't doubt that, and all of that stuff was found. But if he got rid of the WMDs, why did the US invade? It's not like they were not watching his every move. They didn't plan to go to war based on intel that was years old. At least I hope they didn't. :helpme

DWB 04-25-2013 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19597769)
however, the birth defects issue?

Speaking of birth defects caused by the USA and its war machine, can you believe they are STILL having birth defects in Vietnam because of all the Agent Orange or whatever we used there? After all this time they are still having fucked up babies because of it. :Oh crap But no one wants to talk about that, just like they don't want to talk about the after effects of Iraq.

It's all sickening. If the reality of war was on TV every night for an hour or two, no one would support any wars. But they don't even show the American caskets coming off the planes anymore. Support war and the deaths of "enemy combatants" and "insurgents" but don't have the stomach to see the results of it. Pathetic. People should be at the very least forced to look at all the dead American boys they bring home. Show photos of their hideously maimed bodies on the news every night along with images of all the women and children the US has killed abroad.

Barry-xlovecam 04-25-2013 06:25 PM

You want to document that picture?

All I see is is a very young child severely defected without any accompanying documentation of where, how, or why.





_Richard_ 04-25-2013 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19597885)
You want to document that picture?

All I see is is a very young child severely defected without any accompanying documentation of where, how, or why.





http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2917701.html

good enough?

crockett 04-26-2013 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19597236)

It doesn't say any of that was happening in Iraq under Saddam at least not what you quoted. It was well known that Iran was supporting the insurgents after we invaded, but I seriously doubt Iran was helping Saddam.

All you have to do is look at some of the weapons the insurgents were using to know they came from Iran. Everyone knows Iran was helping after the invasion, they were doing the same thing we did to the Soviets when they were in Afghanistan.

crockett 04-26-2013 03:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19597773)

wake the fuck up

The birth defects came from the contamination of depleted uranium shells and the oil fires, not from WMD's. Not to mention the fact that most of Iraq's infrastructure was destroyed including sewer & water. :2 cents:

Barry-xlovecam 04-26-2013 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19598032)

Read the published report.
White Phosphorous is never mentioned.
It's a study of 56 Fallujah families a very small sample I find varied estimates of Fallujah's population to be 190K to 300K people -- with an infant mortality rate 34.59/1000 live births http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...mortality_rate as a comparison 4 to 7/ 1000 in most developed countries.This compares to an infant mortality rate 48.91 for Iraq in 1980-1985

"two well-known neurotoxic metals, Pb and Hg." How much solder with lead is used in the plumbing in the Fallujah area? How much lead based paint? No shit Sherlock!

The is no control group of parents with normally born children in Fallujah for comparison.
Only Iran, Palestine, and Italy are used for comparison -- Why is that and what relevance is it -- absolutely none. Who funded the research
?

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Bull Environ Contam Toxicol (2012) 89:937–944
http://link.springer.com/content/pdf...012-0817-2.pdf

P. 1 PDF
Our data suggested that birth defects in the Iraqi cities of Al Basrah (in the south of Iraq) and Fallujah (in central Iraq) are mainly folate dependent.
This knowledge offers possible treatment options and remediation plans for at-risk Iraqi populations.

**Like Folic acid in a vitamin supplement? **Of course all of the birth mothers were tested for foliate levels in their blood -- No. Why not?

I doubt that the wartime diet in Iraq was that good -- their is a lot of room for inquiry here.


P. 4 PDF
Bull Environ Contam Toxicol (2012) 89:937–944
The case study of 56 Fallujah families and the metal analysis of hair samples from this population indicated public contamination with two well-known neurotoxic metals, Pb and Hg. Hair metal data from Fallujah showed Pb to be five times higher in the hair samples of children with birth defects (n = 44; mean ± SD 56,434 ± 217,705 l g/ kg) than in the hair of normal children (n = 11; 11,277 ± 27,781 l g/kg). Mercury was six times higher (n = 44; 8,282 ± 25,844 l g/kg Vs n = 11; 1,414 ± 3,853 l g/kg) (Fig. 3 ). Fallujah mothers who participated in this study did not take any medication and described their diet as ‘‘good’’ during pregnancy. Only one couple was first cousins. **{one of 56? Nice -- how many were second cousins ...}

Mercury and Pb, two toxic metals readily used in the manufacture of present-day bullets and other ammunition, were 6 and 5 times higher in hair samples from Fallujah children with birth defects compared to Fallujah children who appeared normal (Fig. 3 ). Uranium, Hg and Pb, ( l g/kg, mean ± SD) in the hair samples of parents from Italy, Iran, and Fallujah (Iraq), are shown in Fig. 4 . Though statistically not significant, the hair of parents of children with birth defects had more uranium, Pb and Hg than the hair of parents of normal children. <= so why even mention it?

P. 6 PDF
Bull Environ Contam Toxicol (2012) 89:943
Present knowledge on the effects of prenatal exposure to metals, combined with our results, suggests that the bombardment of Al Basrah and Fallujah may have exacerbated
Most unscientific report I have ever seen published:

M. Al-Sabbak Á S. Sadik Ali
Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Al Basrah Maternity
Hospital, Al Basrah Medical School, P.O. Box 1633,
Basrah, Iraq
Department of Prosthodontics, School of Dentistry, Isfahan
University of Medical Sciences, Isfahan, Iran
S. Dastgiri
National Public Health Management Center, School of
Medicine, Tabriz University of Medical Sciences, Tabriz, Iran
M. Savabieasfahani (&)
School of Public Health, University of Michigan, 1415
Washington Heights, EHS Room Number M6016, Ann Arbor,
MI 48109-2029, USA
e-mail: [email protected]

Now, why would Iranian Shiites want to help the Sunnis of Fallujah make the accusations against the Americans stick?

"my enemies enemy is my friend"


This should never have been given any credibility by the media.

Seems they learned this at the George Bush school of bullshit to me.




TheFootMan5 04-26-2013 10:26 AM

1 million dead, no big deal

But 3 losers die at the boston marathon and it's a TRAGEDY!!

_Richard_ 04-26-2013 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19599099)
Read the published report.
White Phosphorous is never mentioned.
It's a study of 56 Fallujah families a very small sample I find varied estimates of Fallujah's population to be 190K to 300K people -- with an infant mortality rate 34.59/1000 live births http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...mortality_rate as a comparison 4 to 7/ 1000 in most developed countries.This compares to an infant mortality rate 48.91 for Iraq in 1980-1985

"two well-known neurotoxic metals, Pb and Hg." How much solder with lead is used in the plumbing in the Fallujah area? How much lead based paint? No shit Sherlock!

The is no control group of parents with normally born children in Fallujah for comparison.
Only Iran, Palestine, and Italy are used for comparison -- Why is that and what relevance is it -- absolutely none. Who funded the research
?



Most unscientific report I have ever seen published:

M. Al-Sabbak Á S. Sadik Ali
Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Al Basrah Maternity
Hospital, Al Basrah Medical School, P.O. Box 1633,
Basrah, Iraq
Department of Prosthodontics, School of Dentistry, Isfahan
University of Medical Sciences, Isfahan, Iran
S. Dastgiri
National Public Health Management Center, School of
Medicine, Tabriz University of Medical Sciences, Tabriz, Iran
M. Savabieasfahani (&)
School of Public Health, University of Michigan, 1415
Washington Heights, EHS Room Number M6016, Ann Arbor,
MI 48109-2029, USA
e-mail: [email protected]

Now, why would Iranian Shiites want to help the Sunnis of Fallujah make the accusations against the Americans stick?

"my enemies enemy is my friend"


This should never have been given any credibility by the media.

Seems they learned this at the George Bush school of bullshit to me.




sounds good.

i particularly enjoyed the 'dirty a-rab' moment of your response

lets wait for this, shall we?

http://www.emro.who.int/irq/iraq-inf...ect-study.html

pimpmaster9000 04-26-2013 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theking (Post 19597742)
Pigshit...you are ignorant.

yes I see your point...especially in the beginning where you use such compelling and original arguments like pigshit...your posts are always filled with realistic insight about things that happened to somebody else, but you somehow, know better :1orglaugh

tell me...during the end of your rebuttal ,did you feel compelled to just stay your original and creative self and leave it at just "pigshit", or was the decision to add so much text towards the end an effort to actually make a whole sentence?? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

in any case it was completely unexpected and refreshing...

Barry-xlovecam 04-26-2013 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19599135)
sounds good.

i particularly enjoyed the 'dirty a-rab' moment of your response

lets wait for this, shall we?

http://www.emro.who.int/irq/iraq-inf...ect-study.html

No I see bullshit for what it is. Learned the hard way ...

_Richard_ 04-26-2013 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 19599143)
tell me...during the end of your rebuttal ,did you feel compelled to just stay your original and creative self and leave it at just "pigshit", or was the decision to add so much text towards the end an effort to actually make a whole sentence?? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

dyna mo 04-26-2013 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19599135)
sounds good.

i particularly enjoyed the 'dirty a-rab' moment of your response

lets wait for this, shall we?

http://www.emro.who.int/irq/iraq-inf...ect-study.html

he raised some good points, the topic is thread-worthy, go for it.

_Richard_ 04-26-2013 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19599149)
No I see bullshit for what it is. Learned the hard way ...

you seemed so upset that your dirty a-rab was only able to interview 52 families

btw, did you know about the genetic bottleneck of history? apparently 3000 breedable pairs outta africa 6k years ago

makes us all fairly related, yes?

Anyway, seems you esteem the good Iranian doctor so much, that's the end all be all of studies to be found on the internet

the one i posted is fresh and now being analyzed. I think ti's funny they'd go to so much effort, money, and political 'umf', over something that is 'not an issue'

but hey, i have learned a few things the hard way myself.

PornoMonster 04-26-2013 11:04 AM

Global Warming Caused this..... HA

theking 04-26-2013 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 19599143)
yes I see your point...especially in the beginning where you use such compelling and original arguments like pigshit...your posts are always filled with realistic insight about things that happened to somebody else, but you somehow, know better :1orglaugh

tell me...during the end of your rebuttal ,did you feel compelled to just stay your original and creative self and leave it at just "pigshit", or was the decision to add so much text towards the end an effort to actually make a whole sentence?? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

in any case it was completely unexpected and refreshing...

Look...sport...I think that I have explained to you before that I use pigshit when someone posts something that is ridiculous or so far from the truth that it is ridiculous. I think I have also explained to you that I do not care to "debate" with someone that is ignorant about the subject that they are posting about. I think that I have also explained to you that I try not to respond to "trolls". Your posts usually meet all of the above criteria.

I have been a member of this board for more than ten years and I have grown very tired of "debating" with the ignorant...stupid and "trolls" which dominate this board so my standard response has become simply...pigshit.


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