Watch a few minutes starting at around 1:06, just for fun.

haha that's the problem with these kooks. They never take the time to educate themselves a little about their subject. Demolition of a building(especially 2 of that size) requires unfettered access for an extended period. The world trade center site is what you would definitely call "fettered".

They seem to think a few ninjas can throw a few bombs under some desks while workers are at the water coolers.

The demolition of the twin towers would be the most massive CD project ever undertaken. Just one of the buildings would be.

But that's the best part... The obvious (a plane causing a tower to fall) is too easy for them to understand, while the impossible (a team of thirty people spending two months wiring up a skyscraper to collapse without fifty thousand people noticing) is the obvious answer.

Never mind they still haven't come up with a valid reason anyone would want to take the towers down.

The possible reasons are endless...

- A gigantic insurance payout for buildings that were in need of countless millions in asbestos removal and renovations.

- An excuse to implement the Patriot Act, written well in advance of 9/11.

- War profiteering out the wazoo.

- An excuse to take out Saddam and grab Iraqi oil.

- Justification for all sorts of classified decisions behind closed doors.

- Evidence destruction from previous crimes and thefts.

- Any and all of the above, plus so many others.

Seriously, no justification, and that's your reason to accept the government's official story without question?

From the following piece on 9/11...

I have been told by reporters that they will not report their own insights or contrary evaluations of the official 9/11 story, because to question the government story about 9/11 is to question the very foundations of our entire modern belief system regarding our government, our country, and our way of life. To be charged with questioning these foundations is far more serious than being labeled a disgruntled conspiracy nut or anti-government traitor, or even being sidelined or marginalized within an academic, government service, or literary career. To question the official 9/11 story is simply and fundamentally revolutionary. In this way, of course, questioning the official story is also simply and fundamentally American.

Several months after 9/11, famed news anchor Dan Rather told the BBC that American reporters were practicing ?a form of self-censorship?

READ MORE HERE

it's not a reporter's job to report their own insights. it's shit like that that causes issue. report the news, go home. i don't want your twitter info, i don't want to know what you think about this that or the other.

report the news.

A robot reports the news - the same news on all channels.

TelePrompTers does not a journalist make.

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Also from the piece I linked above...


As Tom Brokaw notes:

All wars are based on propaganda.

What Does Ellsberg Say?

Ellsberg says that the government has ordered the media not to cover 9/11:

Ellsberg seemed hardly surprised that today’s American mainstream broadcast media has so far failed to take [former FBI translator and 9/11 whistleblower Sibel] Edmonds up on her offer, despite the blockbuster nature of her allegations [which Ellsberg calls "far more explosive than the Pentagon Papers"].

As Edmonds has also alluded, Ellsberg pointed to the New York Times, who “sat on the NSA spying story for over a year” when they “could have put it out before the 2004 election, which might have changed the outcome.”

“There will be phone calls going out to the media saying ‘don’t even think of touching it, you will be prosecuted for violating national security,’” he told us.

Is a journalist only a journalist when they journal what you want to read?

journalism is much different than reporting.


facts are facts and should be the same facts across all news channels, there are other parts of the news where interpretation comes in. that should be done by qualified sources and again, their personal perspective is generally not required, unless they have qualified information from being in the shit themselves.

just like i don't need an actor to tell me what they think about gun control or syria,etc, i don't need joe schmoe reporter offering his perspective on something he is more than likely not familiar with.

A true journalist investigates until they have an accurate story, filled with the truth, as far as they can confirm and gather it, and then they report such truths without fear.

This form of journalism is dead and buried.

Better to put your trust in real journalists, like:







:stoned

ADG

I am not a follower or believer in Alex Jones or Glenn Beck.

EDIT: As I do not follow them, I do not know all that they have to say. It is possible that I AM in agreement with them regarding some issues. Which issues? Who knows, as I do not keep track of their views on any and all topics.

Do you believe what Donald Rumsfeld has to say? Do you believe what Dick Cheney has to say? What does it matter what people have to say? Only the truth matters.

Interesting...





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGbEJ3pXwWM

Thank god someone else finally pointed this out. Totally correct.

Easiest way to argue is call other side DUMB, RETARD, IDIOTS.
Way to go. It makes you smarter.

Yeah, um, No.

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

They could have easily rigged the buildings very quickly, below is an analysis for the 110 story twin towers. WTC7 would be a walk in the park by all means.

Independent Analysis of Scientific Evidence Relating to 9/11

Let's examine the logistical requirements of planting 20,000lbs of thermite or conventional explosive. We must first determine that the physical transportation of materials onto the site is possible and that method is portable.

We'll begin by converting our units to metric for easier reading:

20,000 lbs
= 9090.9 kg
= 9.0909 Tonnes

9 tonnes may seem a lot, but as I'll soon show you, many hands do indeed make light work. Assuming 50 people were involved, that would require each to plant:

181.818 Kg

That would require 3 trips, carrying approximately 60kg per trip. Assuming a generic device size of around 3kg, that would be 20 devices per trip, or 60 devices per man in total. For a mental reference, the average weight for a male adult in the US is around 76-83 kg according to Wikipedia.

60 Devices * 50 people = 3000 devices

As each building had 110 floors, that gives us 220 floors in total. We can spread these 50 people so that we have 1 person for every 4 floors, across both buildings and ignore the bottom 10 floors, leaving us with 200 floors to cover.

Each man would then place 15 devices on each of the 4 floors assigned to him.

50 peopele * 4 floors = 200 floors
(15 devices x 4 floors) * 50 people = 3000 locations/devices

So, that's 1500 devices and 25 men per building.

Thus, it is feasible for there to be as little as 33 people involved if each carried 90kg. Gaining access has numerous plausible scenarios and only requires a window of 5 minutes. Given a good hiding spot for the devices, 1 person could move across 4 floors, positioning 60 devices, in 3-4 hours.

So, here is a quick table:

50 people - about 3-4 hours
100 people - about 1.5-2 hours
150 people - about an hour

Numerous other variations of this basic analysis will also function just as well. As you can see, it would be pretty easy for any organization of sufficient size involved in organized crime.

Yeah, except.. they couldn't. Takes a very long time to actually prepare a building for demolition and even under the best of circumstances.

But why should facts play into anyones fantasy??

Yeah... "finally explained".

Crazy that so many can think the fucking massive commercial airliners loaded with fuel, traveling at 500+ knots and flying straight into the buildings wiping out structural columns and weakening the rest with fire, had something to do with the buildings coming down.

Watched this last night---It was good.

You all too easily forget the 'fucking massive commercial airliner loaded with fuel' which was delayed at the airport so couldn't get to WTC7 in time; the building still fell into it's own footprint, I shouldn't have to remind you of this as it's now 2013 :upsidedow

LOL!!! Complete idiots, both of them.

Quite interesting.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=dNQxWHOKB6U

These asshats are multi millionaires. Disgusting.

Yeah, um, Yes. The owner of WTC7 said so himself.

ad hominem attacks, the low man on the 'rational discussion' totem pole.

But what you don't know is that in the 1980's there were rumors about the WTC being wired with explosives.

The WTC had been operating under a wavier for mandatory asbestos removal.
The removal of asbestos was expensive and the job was said to cost $1 Billion to complete.
Removal was started and moving slow and it's rumored that the asbestos removal crew
saw what appeared to be wired explosives on beams and columns of the buildings.

That rumor and the $1 Billion cost formed a rumor that the WTC would be demolished rather than spend $1B trying to clean it up to meet the building code.

So based on that rumor the WTC was already wired and ready to take down way before 9/11.

I'm just saying this was the rumor at the time.
I can't verify the rumor, but I sure as hell heard it.

to be fair, your avatar and sig contain the most overtly nationalist shit i've probably ever seen used on the internet in a non-satirical manner

you should probably check out that "psychologists explain 9/11 denial" video provided by bft3k a few posts up

in a nutshell it describes how when something traumatic challenges your preconceived worldview an involuntary self-defense mechanism causes you to immediately dismiss all new contradictory information

on one hand, it would definitely be fucking crazy and seemingly impossible for the twin towers to have been secretly rigged to blow in the days, weeks or months leading up to 9/11, but on the other hand, not nearly as crazy as confidently believing with 100% certainty that you know one way or another what exactly happened on that day

a couple of the very few in number reasons i even entertain the possibility of there being more to the story is due to the inconsistencies with building 7 and how the airplane that hit the pentagon somehow landed a direct hit on the offices allegedly storing and researching the records of the reportedly missing $2.3 trillion dollars as announced to the world by rumsfeld only a day prior to 9/11

not to mention the perks of an obviously corrupt military industrial complex

serious $ was made after 9/11

definitely check this shit out man

https://youtube.com/watch?v=xJsi7SPBzfY

i'm so incredibly on the fence about the whole issue though

i seriously have no idea what happened

the more i look into it the more it appears plausible that all 3 buildings actually did collapse due to fire and weakened steel, and the pentagon $2.3t thing could either be a coincidence or even more likely the cia taking advantage of a shitty situation. just because certain elements of the government and military industrial complex may have benefited from the whole ordeal, it obviously doesn't necessarily mean they played a direct hand in it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8sm2UacrSc

https://sphotos-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/h...27800573_n.jpg

Rogan's awesome...this is one of his best.

Good vid..thanks for sharing it.

BFT3K I have read a lot of your posts over the years...you ride that fuzzy line between sane clear thinking liberal and wackjob libertarian. I have often agreed with some of your political views and thought to myself - That fuckin BFT guy is pretty cool...not any more.

If you think there is even the slightest chance that those buildings were brought down by controlled demo then you are one gullible motherfucker, and calling that piece of garbage of a documentary a "Great Movie" puts you right up there with the all time classic dumbfucks on this board... Thats saying a lot because there are some real dumb asses on GFY. So you're in good company my man.

Don't feel bad - I understand what it means to be a stupid gullible motherfucker - I once saw a doc called "A funny thing happened on the way to the moon" and for about 2 weeks I firmly believed that the US never set foot on the moon. Then after I saw the solid facts that debunked the movie, and realized unequivocally that we did indeed travel to the moon and what a sucker I was for falling for that bullshit.

Dude stop being a sucker and falling for conspiracies that are such far reaching and impossible flights of fancy with no shred of evidence, stop embarrassing yourself.

As the saying goes... "absolute power corrupts absolutely." If you look back at Obama's positions on surveillance, terrorism, government trust issues, and so much more BEFORE he was president, versus his contrarian position to those very beliefs now, you have to wonder who really pulls the strings.

You can be a great guy and join the military, and you can be a great guy and want to be a cop, but your missions are never your own. You are working for the people who pull the strings. Even Obama and the talking heads over at MSNBC are not above their owners.



https://youtube.com/watch?v=qUkjIpgthWs

Thanks for the link