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I was thinking something like that too. Like how my dog watches me eat a pizza and drools. If I gave him a slice of pizza he'd go apeshit on it.
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You are using a play on words and are completely brainwashed...anyone who lives with a military member, is essentially harboring a "terrorist"...Comment
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Yea. Because you were there. Your a fucking idiot. Yea, the people are taking pictures with their hands on their head you fucking tool. Get a fucking clue.are you a retard?
'ask to check'
the whole fucking point is that you are ordered around and spoken to like a piece of shit - who is saying they wouldn't let them in? I'll tell you this much though - would I fuck keep my hands on my head - I'm too much of a stubborn idiotic prick who doesn't care about consequences until it's way too late, to allow myself to be treated like that. One of my many downfalls.
You were there, you don't know what happened. You are making shit up just like the rest of the morons on this board. Unless your house is in Watertown and you were one of the people. Then shut the fuck up.
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i didnt really follow this event, all i heard was that Boston was in "lock down", does that equate to "martial law"? Martial law would be a situation where I would expect this type of actions, like it or not.
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i think it was martial law. which, like you, i think is fine. i understand we have martial law in place for a reason. to me, it speaks volumes that those people are otr reacting like they did during and after and it appears things have returned to normal there and everyone is going about their business as before.
if this was a test of martial law, it appears at this point that watertown passed.
i'm more concerned with socal and lapd shooting random trucks and burning the perpetrator down in a cabin in *search* for c. dorner.
where's everybody on that?
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what are you talking about, about the people are taking pictures with their hands on their heads?
I'm commenting on the video of the way those police are acting - how are you not understanding that? Do you even know what this thread is about? Are you high and/or drunk? What am I making up?
I'm a liar and/or tough guy how?
I was there, so I don't know what happened?
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while we arm chair debate?Harboring/supporting a suspected terrorist...good to know whose side the nutters are on.
As for the door-by-door search, the police were involved in the pursuit of some armed and extremely dangerous individuals, that allegedly perpetrated a cowardly and horrific assault on innocent civilians, killed a cop, and engaged the police in a fierce firefight the night before.
I guess the police were just supposed to nicely knock on the door, and when purecane73 answers the door and tells them no terrorists are present, they should just skip along to the next potential hiding spot, being careful not to offend anyone in the process.
The people that feel this was an invasion of their Constitutional rights should sue the police if they feel that their rights were violated, or they could have just used their 2nd amendment firearms to try and keep the police out (no doubt that's what a warrior like Alex Jone would have done), although I doubt that would have turned out very well either.
There was a recent high-profile kidnaping/disappearance of a teen girl in my region, and the police engaged in a door-to-door search, and although I was not happy at all to let the police in, the detectives were polite, looked around, saw that it was all clear and politely left. While inside, they could not help but notice my cannabis vaporizer and cannabis. I mentioned that I have a doctor issued medical marijuana card and they said that they didn't really care about that. It's been close to a year since that visit, and I've had no other visits from the police. I am satisfied that they were just doing their job (although the body of the girl has never been recovered, police are treating it now as a homicide, and have a suspect in jail awaiting trial).
While we armchair debate the issue, and possibly some lawsuits are filed, I believe that the residents of Watertown and the greater Boston area are overall pleased with the law enforcement effort to stop and apprehend two very dangerous individuals.
Or maybe these cheering citizens are just government operatives:
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why do we have any laws at all? why was there these fine laws saying 'police are unable to enter a residence without a warrant'?
obviously the logic of 'if you have nothing to hide' applied just the same when the law was written as it does today
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what pussies LOL
the police should do their job with courage and honor...if they are after somebody who is dangerous this does not mean they can act like highly armed pussies in armor and with air support...
i like the police, I really do, but you have to have balls or GTFO...
also I am disappointed by some americans how pussy they have become...one 19 year old boy and shit gets gestapo...fucking media frenzy and their pussy ass coward audience...seriously a guy with a pressure cooker and you send 30K cops?
they have conditioned you to live in FEAR...you fear the DANGER
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Again, from the home occupants perspective.
The people in the house know if they are being held hostage or not, or if they are harboring a fugitive or not. And if the answer to both is NO, then being treated in that manner is still apparently OK for many people.
My comment has nothing to do with the police perspective or what they could be thinking.
The question is: Do you the home occupant, think it is OK to have yourself and family (kids, wife, elderly parents) treated in that manner, if you have done nothing wrong, are not hiding the suspect inside your house, and are not being held hostage by the suspect?Comment
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I think you nailed it there. You can be on high alert and still have honor and compassion. You don't have to be an asshole just because you can.
It goes back to the whole idea of respect being earned, not given. It's just impossible to have any respect for abusive assholes. Seeing them be dicks just makes many people dislike them that much more. The military gear doesn't help much either. It is very intimidating, which obviously is the point. What happened to good old fashioned police uniforms?
The show of overwhelming force in full combat fatigues is also something that rubs me the wrong way. That is how you go to war, not deal with innocent American citizens in their own home. It's just too intimidating and really sends out the wrong message for Americans. As posted above in the Blues Brother clip, it was funny then and absurd to think about. But now it's reality.
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I wonder what the result of these types of searches happening if the police happened to notice some completely unrelated crime in one of the houses, say a pot plant growing or something, would they turn a blind eye to it because of the circumstances? or would it be written up in some report and the people get busted later or watched etc?
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Good question.
I wonder if any of these people will be visited again or looked into after something noticed in their home. I can't fathom the nerves of the attic hydro grower when he saw the troops going door to door. You KNOW someone in at least one of those houses is growing.
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i just watched the entire video clip again, in full screen, like the 1st time, so 3x total.
1st thing, they didn't shoot the dog. :-) we've all heard too many of those stories.
next, i'm really trying to see where this particular crew got so far out of hand. is it where the one guy lifts back up the 1st guy's arms over his head? because after that is just the authorities letting each one of them run down the sidewalk to the safe area, just like the high schoolers running out of columbine. if someone has some specific timepoints they can point out, i'd take a gander.
since this video is in the public domain, it makes sense that the authorities would be forced to confront it and handle it if it's deemed this outfit acted billigerently.Comment
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and that is part of the issue when people seem to say that they don't mind giving up their rights and privacy if it helps keep things nice and safe.... all laws are not justGood question.
I wonder if any of these people will be visited again or looked into after something noticed in their home. I can't fathom the nerves of the attic hydro grower when he saw the troops going door to door. You KNOW someone in at least one of those houses is growing.
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I have a big problem with it.
and it all comes down to the fact that once the government starts to usurp your constitutional rights they dont stop until its gone, and at that point the only way to get it back is at the barrel of a gun.
No knock warrants and warrant less searches are a bad idea, yesterday it was in the name of drugs, today its in the name of terrorism, now they add DUI where does it stop?
Is it not better to let a dui suspect or delay catching this kid a day or two or even a week or two than it is to have the constitution trampled by Jack booted thugs and cabbies with guns?
Is the so called security you are getting worth the price you are paying?
The fourth amendment makes it hard to prosecute a criminal FOR A REASON...It should always be hard to deprive someone of their life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.
I am glad they got the two asshats but I am not at all happy with how they went about it. In the end The FBI and the Boston PD did more to abolish freedom than the terroists did.Mike South
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For me, the entire issue is having guns pointed at them, forced from their home, told to put their hands over their head, yelling at one of them, then patted them down like they were suspects, and the overall aggressive attitude.
Those people were clearly not the suspect. They were in their home minding their own business and got pulled out like that. Maybe this is the only house this happened to, or many 100s had this happen, we don't know, but I can't help but think how terrifying this would be for children.
In contrast to how you see other videos where the police are friendly, not barking, not patting people down, this one really looks bad. No one who is not a criminal or suspect of a crime should ever have multiple guns pointed at them, forced out of their home, yelled at, told to put their hands over the head, and then patted down for weapons. Of course it's possible they had a tip about this house, we can't rule anything out to be fair, but it does look like they were being treated poorly for no reason.
Why not a normal knock on the door (not a fist pound), an officer kindly explains the situation, asks them to please step outside while they do a quick search, and then that is that. No need to treat them like they did something wrong or are even suspected of doing something wrong.Comment
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It is interesting that all that shit did nothing. It was a tip when a gy saw blood on his boat tarp. Where was this kid going to go? He is 19 and known. It was a matter of time.Comment
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Clips with no context are useless...
Watch a mushroom cloud from WWII with no context and you'd say wow that's overkill too.
Put it in context and the exact same video becomes a lot more reasonable.Last edited by Relentless; 04-22-2013, 06:05 PM.Comment
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I hope someone sues for violation of every right known to manComment
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It shortened the way by years, greatly reduced the number of casualties that would have results if the bombs were not dropped and allowed the US to wrap things up before the axis had similar destructive capabilities. The error was allowing the war to begin in the first place, not ending it in the fastest least deadly way possible.Comment
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Sorry Jesse, but that looks nothing like the paramilitary shit I just saw (complete with machine guns) laying siege to a citizen's home and bringing them out like criminals, patting them down, and then going through their private residence.
I don't know how you can even think that is the same.
Yes, if there is a shootout or a criminal holed up and the police are trying to get him out...then yes they would use the force in your picture. A few cops with normal guns.
NOT what appeared to be about 20 guys in military fatigues with automatic weapons raised and pointed at a citizen as the people are being forcibly taken from their homes and searched for absolutely nothing.
Ron Paul was right. He said after he was unable to win the nomination for President: "I had no idea it would be this hard to sell FREEDOM to the American people"
It's a disgrace. And so is the "it's okay" attitude that you and others have towards it.-Robbie
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The cops in that video were doing their job.
They were looking for a criminal for had killed three and hurt dozens with a bomb, shot and killed a police officer, kidnapped someone at gun point and stolen an SUV. The entire nation was holding it's breath. The police officers went door to door with weapons drawn.
I don't understand why people fear the police so much. If this shit happens in my hometown, I want my house to be the fucking police forward headquarters. Last year my hometown was evacuated due to the propane fire on a train, and one of the checkpoints was a few hundred feet from my house. I kid you not we bought doughnuts and made them coffee all night long, multiple nights. In fact, they weren't even police officers - they were unpaid volunteer "community service officers" from a neighboring city.
When this shit happens you bend over backwards for those who are trying to protect you. When your hometown has mad man running around in it and the police are banging on your door with their firearms drawn you had best do what they say.Herschel Savage
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But they were suspect. You just assume they aren't. You assume they are local citizens minding their own business. The police have just seen dozens killed and wounded by a bomb, a police officer shot, and someone kidnapped. They don't know if these people are local citizens or if they the bomber's friend hiding them or a terrorist cell or what they are walking into.Herschel Savage
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That has already been proven to not be true. The generals in charge of the war are on record saying the war was already over. The Russians were coming in from the other side and the Japanese were scared of them and were offering to surrender.
Do some research. Some of this stuff just became declassified about the surrender of Japan in the last few years. It's pretty outrageous what our govt. did.-Robbie
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Firebombing killed a lot more people really.
The reason the nuke stands out is because one nuke killed fifty thousand, where with the firebombing it took much more effort - 300 planes dropping hundreds of tons of bombs. In one such attack 100k were killed and another 100k wounded. Two hundred and eighty thousand (280,000) buildings were destroyed in one firebombing attack.
Yet all we talk about is the nuke.Herschel Savage
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Please show me videos from Boston of people being forcefully taken from their homes and personally searched and not just homes being searched and cleared in search of domestic terrorists that terrorized a city for multiple days.
Also, please point me to the people who were arrested because they had their homes searched and the police found something other than a bombing suspect.
All of that militarization has also existed for decades. It's called SWAT. The equipment list just expanded when cities were handed billions in grants thanks to post-9/11 hysteria. Blame the Bush administration and Congress for that. I believe close to $100 billion was doled out to local police forces in the years immediately following 9/11.
Last time I checked, even though my own city has similar equipment, I never see it out roaming the streets. You don't see it in Vegas, either. Boston citizens didn't see it until last week.
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It doesn't matter what knee-jerk reaction was going on to an incident.
You DON"T do that in the United States of America (at least you're not supposed to).
This is the kind of thing I was taught in school that "Bad" countries did. Not the U.S.A.
But go ahead and think the way you do. I will continue to think that it was total and complete bullshit, just like being searched like a criminal at the airport is. I don't like living that way and I think it's un-American. Just my personal opinion.-Robbie
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The cops weren't even the ones who found the suspect!
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Hey, I'm still trying to figure out why we have to take off our shoes at the airport because one guy had a failed bomb, but there have been dozen of school shootings in the same time period and nothing has changed.
I also read that they are delaying people being able to carry pocketknives on planes again. Last time I checked we've had fortified cockpit doors for close to a decade.
So don't take me as a freedom hater. I just happen to believe that the world isn't black and white and there are different responses to different situations.
Now if I start hearing stories about people who had their homes searched getting arrested two weeks later because their house smelled like weed during the search... or they had some lines of coke laid out on the coffee table, or anything else, then I will call BS on everything.Comment
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this is not correct at all.
japan went to russia to try for a conditional surrender, russia blew them off because of the alliance we had with russia, japs tried to weasle away from being the aggressors in the pacific, thatand their aggression is why we demanded unconditional surrender.
our generals never ever said the war was over until that surrender was signed. what they did say was that the japanese had lost every battle but still had not and would not surrender.Comment
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I am only going to entertain your thoughts this one time...
But I do have to wonder if while they were busy searching houses they were also busy searching the areas around houses... things like oh, I don't know, boats with tarps...Comment
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and the nuclear bombs most certainly shortened the war, we were merely months away from an invasion of mainland japan.
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operation downfall was the plan.Comment
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