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You were there, you don't know what happened. You are making shit up just like the rest of the morons on this board. Unless your house is in Watertown and you were one of the people. Then shut the fuck up. I am not sure whats with the internet and making people into liars and tough guys. Its an amazing thing.. |
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Personally I would hate to be treated like that, really really hate it.. |
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if this was a test of martial law, it appears at this point that watertown passed. i'm more concerned with socal and lapd shooting random trucks and burning the perpetrator down in a cabin in *search* for c. dorner. where's everybody on that? / |
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I'm commenting on the video of the way those police are acting - how are you not understanding that? Do you even know what this thread is about? Are you high and/or drunk? What am I making up? I'm a liar and/or tough guy how? I was there, so I don't know what happened? Christ, such a fucked up post I'm not even sure why I responded... |
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And do they? Good job I didn't say you were one then, and merely asked instead. |
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why do we have any laws at all? why was there these fine laws saying 'police are unable to enter a residence without a warrant'? obviously the logic of 'if you have nothing to hide' applied just the same when the law was written as it does today if it was so important, why does the law exist. |
what pussies LOL
the police should do their job with courage and honor...if they are after somebody who is dangerous this does not mean they can act like highly armed pussies in armor and with air support... i like the police, I really do, but you have to have balls or GTFO... also I am disappointed by some americans how pussy they have become...one 19 year old boy and shit gets gestapo...fucking media frenzy and their pussy ass coward audience...seriously a guy with a pressure cooker and you send 30K cops? :1orglaugh they have conditioned you to live in FEAR...you fear the DANGER :1orglaugh |
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The people in the house know if they are being held hostage or not, or if they are harboring a fugitive or not. And if the answer to both is NO, then being treated in that manner is still apparently OK for many people. My comment has nothing to do with the police perspective or what they could be thinking. The question is: Do you the home occupant, think it is OK to have yourself and family (kids, wife, elderly parents) treated in that manner, if you have done nothing wrong, are not hiding the suspect inside your house, and are not being held hostage by the suspect? |
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It goes back to the whole idea of respect being earned, not given. It's just impossible to have any respect for abusive assholes. Seeing them be dicks just makes many people dislike them that much more. The military gear doesn't help much either. It is very intimidating, which obviously is the point. What happened to good old fashioned police uniforms? The show of overwhelming force in full combat fatigues is also something that rubs me the wrong way. That is how you go to war, not deal with innocent American citizens in their own home. It's just too intimidating and really sends out the wrong message for Americans. As posted above in the Blues Brother clip, it was funny then and absurd to think about. But now it's reality. :1orglaugh |
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I wonder if any of these people will be visited again or looked into after something noticed in their home. I can't fathom the nerves of the attic hydro grower when he saw the troops going door to door. :1orglaugh You KNOW someone in at least one of those houses is growing. |
i just watched the entire video clip again, in full screen, like the 1st time, so 3x total.
1st thing, they didn't shoot the dog. :-) we've all heard too many of those stories. next, i'm really trying to see where this particular crew got so far out of hand. is it where the one guy lifts back up the 1st guy's arms over his head? because after that is just the authorities letting each one of them run down the sidewalk to the safe area, just like the high schoolers running out of columbine. if someone has some specific timepoints they can point out, i'd take a gander. since this video is in the public domain, it makes sense that the authorities would be forced to confront it and handle it if it's deemed this outfit acted billigerently. |
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I have a big problem with it.
and it all comes down to the fact that once the government starts to usurp your constitutional rights they dont stop until its gone, and at that point the only way to get it back is at the barrel of a gun. No knock warrants and warrant less searches are a bad idea, yesterday it was in the name of drugs, today its in the name of terrorism, now they add DUI where does it stop? Is it not better to let a dui suspect or delay catching this kid a day or two or even a week or two than it is to have the constitution trampled by Jack booted thugs and cabbies with guns? Is the so called security you are getting worth the price you are paying? The fourth amendment makes it hard to prosecute a criminal FOR A REASON...It should always be hard to deprive someone of their life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. I am glad they got the two asshats but I am not at all happy with how they went about it. In the end The FBI and the Boston PD did more to abolish freedom than the terroists did. |
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Those people were clearly not the suspect. They were in their home minding their own business and got pulled out like that. Maybe this is the only house this happened to, or many 100s had this happen, we don't know, but I can't help but think how terrifying this would be for children. In contrast to how you see other videos where the police are friendly, not barking, not patting people down, this one really looks bad. No one who is not a criminal or suspect of a crime should ever have multiple guns pointed at them, forced out of their home, yelled at, told to put their hands over the head, and then patted down for weapons. Of course it's possible they had a tip about this house, we can't rule anything out to be fair, but it does look like they were being treated poorly for no reason. Why not a normal knock on the door (not a fist pound), an officer kindly explains the situation, asks them to please step outside while they do a quick search, and then that is that. No need to treat them like they did something wrong or are even suspected of doing something wrong. |
It is interesting that all that shit did nothing. It was a tip when a gy saw blood on his boat tarp. Where was this kid going to go? He is 19 and known. It was a matter of time.
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Clips with no context are useless...
Watch a mushroom cloud from WWII with no context and you'd say wow that's overkill too. Put it in context and the exact same video becomes a lot more reasonable. |
I hope someone sues for violation of every right known to man
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It was an atrocity that history will look on very badly. |
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The same way choking someone to death is bad, but choking a gunman in a school to death is very reasonable, |
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I don't know how you can even think that is the same. Yes, if there is a shootout or a criminal holed up and the police are trying to get him out...then yes they would use the force in your picture. A few cops with normal guns. NOT what appeared to be about 20 guys in military fatigues with automatic weapons raised and pointed at a citizen as the people are being forcibly taken from their homes and searched for absolutely nothing. Ron Paul was right. He said after he was unable to win the nomination for President: "I had no idea it would be this hard to sell FREEDOM to the American people" It's a disgrace. And so is the "it's okay" attitude that you and others have towards it. |
The cops in that video were doing their job.
They were looking for a criminal for had killed three and hurt dozens with a bomb, shot and killed a police officer, kidnapped someone at gun point and stolen an SUV. The entire nation was holding it's breath. The police officers went door to door with weapons drawn. I don't understand why people fear the police so much. If this shit happens in my hometown, I want my house to be the fucking police forward headquarters. Last year my hometown was evacuated due to the propane fire on a train, and one of the checkpoints was a few hundred feet from my house. I kid you not we bought doughnuts and made them coffee all night long, multiple nights. In fact, they weren't even police officers - they were unpaid volunteer "community service officers" from a neighboring city. When this shit happens you bend over backwards for those who are trying to protect you. When your hometown has mad man running around in it and the police are banging on your door with their firearms drawn you had best do what they say. |
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Do some research. Some of this stuff just became declassified about the surrender of Japan in the last few years. It's pretty outrageous what our govt. did. |
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The reason the nuke stands out is because one nuke killed fifty thousand, where with the firebombing it took much more effort - 300 planes dropping hundreds of tons of bombs. In one such attack 100k were killed and another 100k wounded. Two hundred and eighty thousand (280,000) buildings were destroyed in one firebombing attack. Yet all we talk about is the nuke. |
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Also, please point me to the people who were arrested because they had their homes searched and the police found something other than a bombing suspect. All of that militarization has also existed for decades. It's called SWAT. The equipment list just expanded when cities were handed billions in grants thanks to post-9/11 hysteria. Blame the Bush administration and Congress for that. I believe close to $100 billion was doled out to local police forces in the years immediately following 9/11. Last time I checked, even though my own city has similar equipment, I never see it out roaming the streets. You don't see it in Vegas, either. Boston citizens didn't see it until last week. I would expect to see it out roaming the streets if people were setting off bombs in the city. |
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You DON"T do that in the United States of America (at least you're not supposed to). This is the kind of thing I was taught in school that "Bad" countries did. Not the U.S.A. But go ahead and think the way you do. I will continue to think that it was total and complete bullshit, just like being searched like a criminal at the airport is. I don't like living that way and I think it's un-American. Just my personal opinion. |
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I also read that they are delaying people being able to carry pocketknives on planes again. Last time I checked we've had fortified cockpit doors for close to a decade. So don't take me as a freedom hater. I just happen to believe that the world isn't black and white and there are different responses to different situations. Now if I start hearing stories about people who had their homes searched getting arrested two weeks later because their house smelled like weed during the search... or they had some lines of coke laid out on the coffee table, or anything else, then I will call BS on everything. |
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japan went to russia to try for a conditional surrender, russia blew them off because of the alliance we had with russia, japs tried to weasle away from being the aggressors in the pacific, thatand their aggression is why we demanded unconditional surrender. our generals never ever said the war was over until that surrender was signed. what they did say was that the japanese had lost every battle but still had not and would not surrender. |
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But I do have to wonder if while they were busy searching houses they were also busy searching the areas around houses... things like oh, I don't know, boats with tarps... |
and the nuclear bombs most certainly shortened the war, we were merely months away from an invasion of mainland japan.
\ operation downfall was the plan. |
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