You're right; we should have given them 3 weeks to a month to solve this.

FYI: They did not just kill 3 people.

The media kept saying it, so it must be true.

Beltway snipers were all over two states and the District of Columbia. Not sure how that is comparable.

Where do you think they should put air force bases and other military installations?

I love how DWB moved to a country where just about everything is illegal including his profession. You can buy your way out of an arrest, even if someone died. He has to use a VPN to hide his Internet tracks.

But the US is oh so horrible.

i'm going back through these photos and comments by those who took those photos. i can't wait to learn more of the factual details as the real story comes out but this photo is telling


here are some i c&p'ed to represent the total

http://proxy.storify.com/?url=http%3...resize=1&w=490

so a few things are coming to light:

the governor called for the shelter in place order very early friday morning, that was not a call for 10,000 armed forces.

the door-to-door stuff happened primarily focused near where the shootout took place- watertown, not the entire city of boston.

the people of watertown, based on the looks on their faces cheering the authorities as the left, and by most all the comments left on that page in the op, where scared out of their gourds and very grateful for the authorities in their community and how they handled it.

the entire story will be revealed.

also, this governor's decision to shut the city down is unprecedented.

oh, i'm going otr right now. the # of authorities called in on this was 2200. when it's all said & done, that will be the #.

I'm pretty sure that I was kinda clear about that in my post wasn't I?

There is no reason for a military air force base to be in Las Vegas. Or in any landlocked or non-border area.

The air force bases should be on the coast and/or border areas.

There is also no reason for a military "Fort" to be in the middle of the United States. What is it's purpose? Pretty sure that there aren't any more rogue Indian tribes out there anymore.
And if you have men and equipment in a fort in Colorado...it just takes more time and money to transport everything when and if you are going to war.

Shouldn't that be on the coast somewhere...or a border state? Unless it's there precisely for a "just in case we have to use it against our own citizens" reason?

I'm not claiming that is the case...just pointing out that to me it doesn't make sense. And with our govt.'s history I wouldn't put anything past them.

Just look at what they did in the "Tuskegee Experiment" for instance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskege...lis_experiment

Or what they did at Ruby Ridge and Waco and God only knows how many other things they've pulled without our knowledge (For instance the CIA selling cocaine in the 1980's to fund illegal military actions in Nicaragua).

Nope...I have a good healthy dose of distrust for power hungry politicians. Just my personal opinion, nothing more.

i don't want the military taking any more super sweet coastland in cali! it's a desert in nv

it doesn't make sense to you that they would spread forces and equipment out so one area is not more vulnerable than another?

Why is this manhunt any different than any other? Besides, the police didn't even find him, a civilian did. The guy was injured anyway, it was only a matter of time before he died from his wounds. He's in critical condition now. So the hunt ramps up again for 12 others from a "sleeper cell" these guys may have been in contact with. Think they will hunt them with the same force? I doubt it. It will be a small group hunting them, just like every other manhunt has been in the past.

I'm glad they did get him eventually, however, my entire point was that it was complete overkill to respond in the manner they did. Did they really need to go inside people's homes without warrants? Couldn't they have just asked the home owners if anyone was inside or not? It is this sort of thing that makes me shake my head in shame, as this sort of activity is OK, accepted, and defended now. Safety over privacy and person rights. Boggles the mind.

What's the final death toll? However many it is, it did not call for that response.

The Christopher Dorner manhunt was in 2 countries, the State of California, and in the mountains of Big Bear. They did it with 200 officers.

Spoken like an American who's never left his own country. :2 cents:

Yes, porn is illegal in Thailand. So what? It's technically not allowed in 48 of the States in the USA either, and it's illegal to work without condoms in LA.

I don't use a VPN to "cover my tracks." I use a VPN because Thailand blocks porn sites, including all of the ones we use for promotion.

And yes, you can buy your way out of some problems. What's wrong with that? Would you rather everyone be drained in the legal system where you will only come out OK if you have a lot of money and hire the best lawyers like in the USA, where you're guilty until proven innocent and they try to tie you up in court to drain your finances? No thanks. I'll take our version of corruption over yours any day of the week. At least here you get a chance.

You said it, not me.

But anyone with a pair of eyes can see it's degrading, and you don't need me to tell you that. There is a reason Americans are renouncing their citizenship or just moving abroad in record numbers.

Everything is illegal? Really? :1orglaugh You're misinformed, but I'm glad you love that I moved. I love it too. You can't even imagine how awesome it is here, or in many other countries. Not to mention, we don't have to pay taxes anymore. So :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh. Don't be mad.

They have spread out all over the world like a bad case of herpes. There is something like 150 bases in the USA alone. A total of 900 or so around the world in 130 countries. It's madness.

Quite a ridiculous concept. You should stop and think about it for more than 30 seconds. :2 cents:

How did they know he was injured? How do you know there were 10,000 cops? Don't injured people count? What about the cop they killed?

That's not the point. The point is, this was clearly the largest manhunt in US history. 9000 - 10,000 armed police (FBI, Homeland Security, whatever) is a huge number. As I posted before to put it into perspective, Regan sent 7000 troops to invade the country of Grenada.

That's what the media says (see below). Who knows of they are lying or not, they often do, but it's really splitting hairs to even debate the number. You can see the response and know it was overkill without knowing the exact number of police involved.

These say over 9000:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/queensland/...suspect-alive/
http://www.newsdaily.com/article/7f6...rrounded-media
http://news.discovery.com/human/poli...one-130419.htm
http://www.bangkokpost.com/lite/tops...suspect-caught
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...t-8579362.html

Sure they count. But however many were injured it did not call for that kind of response, going into people's homes with weapons. I can't even imagine how traumatic that was for some children to see.

So the death toll is 4 not including the first brother killed?

the media is quoting each other, the 9000 figure is the exact same sentence in the 3 articles stating that.

verbatim

i figured the boston globe would have the best idea amongst media outlets and there is no figure stated from them. obviously, the authorities have not released an official number.

watertown is 30,000 people, so there was a 30% increase in population? not according to any pictures i've seen of watertown

oh, also, where are you getting your # for the dorner manhunt? i was looking into that the other day actually and could not find a #. it is referred to as the largest manhunt in cali.

Precisely; they never believe the media unless it fits their argument.

I quickly searched them for Baddog, didn't notice they were quoting each other. I think CNN was the original source on that. It's in these transcripts (search for "9,000"):

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../19/bn.08.html
http://www-cgi.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1304/19/es.04.html

I found ot today while looking to see how many there were for him. It was one of the major news networks. If I can find it in my history I'll post it.

appreciated.

pretty good article over at the watertown local newspaper

Watertown residents and officials react to shootout, manhunt



http://www.wickedlocal.com/watertown...#axzz2R9pIjQai

I've been thinking about it a lot. And I even gave you examples of our govt.'s devious b.s.

But as I said, it's just my opinion, Nothing more. I distrust power hungry career politicians and I always will. No big deal.