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DWB 04-21-2013 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 19590306)
it doesn't make sense to you that they would spread forces and equipment out so one area is not more vulnerable than another?
They have spread out all over the world like a bad case of herpes. There is something like 150 bases in the USA alone. A total of 900 or so around the world in 130 countries. It's madness.

baddog 04-21-2013 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19590244)
I'm pretty sure that I was kinda clear about that in my post wasn't I?

There is no reason for a military air force base to be in Las Vegas. Or in any landlocked or non-border area.

The air force bases should be on the coast and/or border areas.

There is also no reason for a military "Fort" to be in the middle of the United States. What is it's purpose? Pretty sure that there aren't any more rogue Indian tribes out there anymore.
And if you have men and equipment in a fort in Colorado...it just takes more time and money to transport everything when and if you are going to war.

Shouldn't that be on the coast somewhere...or a border state? Unless it's there precisely for a "just in case we have to use it against our own citizens" reason?

I'm not claiming that is the case...just pointing out that to me it doesn't make sense. And with our govt.'s history I wouldn't put anything past them.

Just look at what they did in the "Tuskegee Experiment" for instance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskege...lis_experiment

Or what they did at Ruby Ridge and Waco and God only knows how many other things they've pulled without our knowledge (For instance the CIA selling cocaine in the 1980's to fund illegal military actions in Nicaragua).

Nope...I have a good healthy dose of distrust for power hungry politicians. Just my personal opinion, nothing more.
Quite a ridiculous concept. You should stop and think about it for more than 30 seconds. :2 cents:

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19590322)
Why is this manhunt any different than any other? Besides, the police didn't even find him, a civilian did. The guy was injured anyway, it was only a matter of time before he died from his wounds. He's in critical condition now. So the hunt ramps up again for 12 others from a "sleeper cell" these guys may have been in contact with. Think they will hunt them with the same force? I doubt it. It will be a small group hunting them, just like every other manhunt has been in the past.

I'm glad they did get him eventually, however, my entire point was that it was complete overkill to respond in the manner they did. Did they really need to go inside people's homes without warrants? Couldn't they have just asked the home owners if anyone was inside or not? It is this sort of thing that makes me shake my head in shame, as this sort of activity is OK, accepted, and defended now. Safety over privacy and person rights. Boggles the mind.



What's the final death toll? However many it is, it did not call for that response.



The Christopher Dorner manhunt was in 2 countries, the State of California, and in the mountains of Big Bear. They did it with 200 officers.
How did they know he was injured? How do you know there were 10,000 cops? Don't injured people count? What about the cop they killed?

DWB 04-21-2013 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19590341)
How did they know he was injured?
That's not the point. The point is, this was clearly the largest manhunt in US history. 9000 - 10,000 armed police (FBI, Homeland Security, whatever) is a huge number. As I posted before to put it into perspective, Regan sent 7000 troops to invade the country of Grenada.

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19590341)
How do you know there were 10,000 cops?
That's what the media says (see below). Who knows of they are lying or not, they often do, but it's really splitting hairs to even debate the number. You can see the response and know it was overkill without knowing the exact number of police involved.

These say over 9000:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/queensland/...suspect-alive/
http://www.newsdaily.com/article/7f6...rrounded-media
http://news.discovery.com/human/poli...one-130419.htm
http://www.bangkokpost.com/lite/tops...suspect-caught
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...t-8579362.html

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19590341)
Don't injured people count?
Sure they count. But however many were injured it did not call for that kind of response, going into people's homes with weapons. I can't even imagine how traumatic that was for some children to see.

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19590341)
What about the cop they killed?
So the death toll is 4 not including the first brother killed?

dyna mo 04-21-2013 07:51 PM
the media is quoting each other, the 9000 figure is the exact same sentence in the 3 articles stating that.

verbatim
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Police launched a huge manhunt on Friday with 9,000 police surrounding Watertown and parts of nearby districts hoping to isolate the teenager who was wounded in the shootout in which his brother was killed.

i figured the boston globe would have the best idea amongst media outlets and there is no figure stated from them. obviously, the authorities have not released an official number.

watertown is 30,000 people, so there was a 30% increase in population? not according to any pictures i've seen of watertown

dyna mo 04-21-2013 07:54 PM
oh, also, where are you getting your # for the dorner manhunt? i was looking into that the other day actually and could not find a #. it is referred to as the largest manhunt in cali.

baddog 04-21-2013 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19590371)
the media is quoting each other, the 9000 figure is the exact same sentence in the 3 articles stating that.
Precisely; they never believe the media unless it fits their argument.

DWB 04-21-2013 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19590371)
the media is quoting each other, the 9000 figure is the exact same sentence in the 3 articles stating that.

verbatim

i figured the boston globe would have the best idea amongst media outlets and there is no figure stated from them. obviously, the authorities have not released an official number.
I quickly searched them for Baddog, didn't notice they were quoting each other. I think CNN was the original source on that. It's in these transcripts (search for "9,000"):

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../19/bn.08.html
http://www-cgi.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1304/19/es.04.html

DWB 04-21-2013 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19590374)
oh, also, where are you getting your # for the dorner manhunt? i was looking into that the other day actually and could not find a #. it is referred to as the largest manhunt in cali.
I found ot today while looking to see how many there were for him. It was one of the major news networks. If I can find it in my history I'll post it.

dyna mo 04-21-2013 08:20 PM
appreciated.

dyna mo 04-21-2013 08:29 PM
pretty good article over at the watertown local newspaper

Watertown residents and officials react to shootout, manhunt



http://www.wickedlocal.com/watertown...#axzz2R9pIjQai

Robbie 04-21-2013 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19590341)
Quite a ridiculous concept. You should stop and think about it for more than 30 seconds. :2 cents:
I've been thinking about it a lot. And I even gave you examples of our govt.'s devious b.s.

But as I said, it's just my opinion, Nothing more. I distrust power hungry career politicians and I always will. No big deal.


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