Girls parents DECLINE organ donation!!! - GoFuckYourself.com

Matt 26z · 02-22-2003, 04:12 PM

"...the family declined to donate any organs from Jesica's body, including the heart and lungs that had been donated to her in an operation Thursday."
- Yahoo news

If any of her organs were still of value, then this family is pure scum.

galleryseek · 02-22-2003, 04:16 PM

ah fuck it, if something like that happened to me i wouldn't be in a very giving mood either.

asuna · 02-22-2003, 04:17 PM

they think their proving how mad they are at the hospital by not letting anyone else live

Dawgy · 02-22-2003, 04:18 PM

it seems that could be dangerous. her organs were damaged by the previous transplant with wrong blood type... im surprised the doctors would even consider using her organs in someoen else. seems like theyd be asking for a repeat of this whole problem.

KC · 02-22-2003, 04:18 PM

I was thinking about that..

It's a little different.. but it does seem scummy to make a unilateral decision for their daughter who received organs from at least 2 other people!! Those are hardly hers to keep!!!

Rich · 02-22-2003, 04:28 PM

They're pissed at the hospital so someone else's daughter has to die....nice.

Mr.Fiction · 02-22-2003, 04:31 PM

I have defended the decision to give her the transplant against the "Americans Only" crowd here at GFY, but if the family is really being selfish with viable organs after so many other people helped them out, that is totally fucked up. It has nothing to do with nationality, and everything to do with being selfish people. How exactly do they think she got a second chance at life - not by the actions of people like them apparently.

FlyingIguana · 02-22-2003, 04:34 PM

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Originally posted by Matt 26z
"...the family declined to donate any organs from Jesica's body, including the heart and lungs that had been donated to her in an operation Thursday."
- Yahoo news

If any of her organs were still of value, then this family is pure scum.

so they come here illegally for a transplant, yet they won't give her organs to help someone else? they are scum.

goBigtime · 02-22-2003, 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by KC
I was thinking about that..

It's a little different.. but it does seem scummy to make a unilateral decision for their daughter who received organs from at least 2 other people!! Those are hardly hers to keep!!!

unilateral

Maybe they need UN approval before they can take her organs.

Her organs a fucked up. Every cell in her body. She had heart in her that was the wrong blood type. If you had a kid that needed a new frontal lobe, would you want it coming from this girl?

Thomas N · 02-22-2003, 04:45 PM

It doesn't say her organs weren't fit for donation. It says her parents REFUSED.

Huge difference.

goBigtime · 02-22-2003, 04:49 PM

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Originally posted by SwordFish
It doesn't say her organs weren't fit for donation. It says her parents REFUSED.

Huge difference.

Of course... because thats NEWS, thats DRAMA. If the parents said they WOULD donate them, then restafugginsured the spin would be "GIRLS TAINTED ORGANS TO BE PUT IN ORGAN POOL!" and we'd be going off all day talking about that instead.

Welcome to the show.. whos joe gonna pick WHOS JOE GONNA PICK?! I'm so fuggin glued.

Bah. Wake up sheeple.

stanton · 02-22-2003, 04:53 PM

wht a fucking scum bags

Quote:

Originally posted by Matt 26z
"...the family declined to donate any organs from Jesica's body, including the heart and lungs that had been donated to her in an operation Thursday."
- Yahoo news

If any of her organs were still of value, then this family is pure scum.

Jakke PNG · 02-22-2003, 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by goBigtime

Of course... because thats NEWS, thats DRAMA. If the parents said they WOULD donate them, then restafugginsured the spin would be "GIRLS TAINTED ORGANS TO BE PUT IN ORGAN POOL!" and we'd be going off all day talking about that instead.

LOL.. hardly. I think you've watched too much TV.

steffie · 02-22-2003, 04:53 PM

The girl is not dead. She is on life support and they will make up their mind tomorrow..

Come on guys!

On another note, would you want your child to receive her organs? Knowing they came from a body who was damaged already?

Maybe her parents are smarter than the doctors and say NO to transplants of the organs due to that particular fact.

We are not in that situation. I pity the parents who have to deal with it now. No parent should see their child suffer and die with no reason. To top it off the media is having a frenzy while the parents are still clinging on every straw hoping their daughter is coming back.

I can tell, nobody has kids on that board. Talk once you have children on your own. Otherwise hush!

Sly_RJ · 02-22-2003, 04:58 PM

Why would the organs be bad simply because she had a wrong blood type transplant? That doesn't make sense.

The body would have rejected that other blood and treated it like a foreign object, attacking it and "killing" it off. This would leave the other organs just fine.

Does anyone have a link to some information about her other organs being bad because of the first transplant?

TheDr · 02-22-2003, 04:58 PM

DURHAM, North Carolina (CNN) -- Doctors at Duke University Hospital declared Jesica Santillan dead at 1:25 p.m. Saturday and removed her from a respirator soon after. The 17 year-old girl had two heart and lung transplants this month, the first of which used organs with the wrong blood type.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/02/22...ror/index.html

DX · 02-22-2003, 04:58 PM

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Originally posted by steffie
The girl is not dead. She is on life support and they will make up their mind tomorrow..

...snip...

I can tell, nobody has kids on that board. Talk once you have children on your own. Otherwise hush!

and I can tell, you cant read, and don't own a television.

Houdini · 02-22-2003, 04:59 PM

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Originally posted by steffie
The girl is not dead. She is on life support and they will make up their mind tomorrow..

She's dead - http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...lant_error_123

DX · 02-22-2003, 05:10 PM

the word "murder" has been tossed out.

sad.

parents are DEMANDING independent verification..

sad.

they paid to be smuggled here illegally...

sad.

they'll leave multi-millionaires.

sad.

steffie · 02-22-2003, 05:14 PM

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Originally posted by Houdini

She's dead - http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...lant_error_123

Yup, sorry youre right. I watched CNN before I hit the board and they said she is still on life support. I am braindead myself or not up to speed.

I knew I did too many drugs in the 70's. Sorry everybody

I guess she is dead?!

goBigtime · 02-22-2003, 05:24 PM

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Originally posted by TeenGodFather

LOL.. hardly. I think you've watched too much TV.

Damn TGF cmon.. thats totally what they would have said if they did want to donate those organs. The media would be talking about cooties and shit.

Nysus · 02-22-2003, 05:29 PM

It's sad she didn't survive the latest effort.

rip

Cheers,
Matt

goBigtime · 02-22-2003, 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Why would the organs be bad simply because she had a wrong blood type transplant? That doesn't make sense.

Why did she die again?

Maybe they can send the organs down to mexico first to have them hooked up to a machine that will purify them for only $70 per organ.

Dude.. bottom line.. would YOU want HER donated heart if you needed one?

If you needed one, your answer would be no. And that's how it would be across the board for all her parts. So why not leave her family alone and let her family keep the body of their daughter that the healthcare industry killed - in tact. Since nobody wants the cootie filled organs anyway?

Don't we have a pipeline to build somewhere or something?

Let's get back to that.

goBigtime · 02-22-2003, 05:43 PM

Heres a better analogy:

I got this V8 engine.

It was messing up and I figured it was the oil pump. So after replacing the pump, I accidentally replace the engine oil with olive oil. The engine is now worse than it was. I think "Oh shit! that was olive oil", flush it out, and replace it with engine oil again.

The engine dies completely...

Now are you going to want the heads or carb off my engine that was running on olive oil and quickly died because of residuals and trauma related to that?

Who knows how extensive the damage was?

Who wants to find out?

With engine parts you can probably do a lot better job at "flushing out" the bad stuff. But when talking about organs and stuff... cells get damaged and can mutate.

Transplanting organs is already tricky enough as it is dealing with all the viruses and bacteria that want to over burden the immune system and reject the new part... let alone having to worry about traces/after effects of the wrong blood type within the cells.

dasexi1 · 02-22-2003, 05:45 PM

After what they have just been through can you really blame them for feeling the way they do?

Perhaps their reasoning is along the lines of not wanting another family to go through the hell that they suffered.

Can you imagine for a minute what it must of been like for that family to have finally had the hope that their child will have a chance to live, then have all your hopes and dreams of healthy productive life for your child snatched away from you because the Doctors fucked up?

ThunderBalls · 02-22-2003, 05:47 PM

I don't think most people will ever comprehend the feeling of being in a hospital watching your child die. You are in complete shock and it is like a bad dream that you know you will never wake up from. You cant judge any decision this woman makes, she is not in her right mind, is not thinking clearly, and probably could care less what the rest of the world thinks. Don't judge until you've been there.

Sly_RJ · 02-22-2003, 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by goBigtime
Heres a better analogy:

I got this V8 engine.

It was messing up and I figured it was the oil pump. So after replacing the pump, I accidentally replace the engine oil with olive oil. The engine is now worse than it was. I think "Oh shit! that was olive oil", flush it out, and replace it with engine oil again.

The engine dies completely...

Now are you going to want the heads or carb off my engine that was running on olive oil and quickly died because of residuals and trauma related to that?

Who knows how extensive the damage was?

Who wants to find out?

With engine parts you can probably do a lot better job at "flushing out" the bad stuff. But when talking about organs and stuff... cells get damaged and can mutate.

Transplanting organs is already tricky enough as it is dealing with all the viruses and bacteria that want to over burden the immune system and reject the new part... let alone having to worry about traces/after effects of the wrong blood type within the cells.

If I'm dying I'll take whatever workable organ I can get.

Comparing humans to cars? Get real.

Cooties? Heh.

Sly_RJ · 02-22-2003, 05:57 PM

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Originally posted by ThunderBalls
I don't think most people will ever comprehend the feeling of being in a hospital watching your child die. You are in complete shock and it is like a bad dream that you know you will never wake up from. You cant judge any decision this woman makes, she is not in her right mind, is not thinking clearly, and probably could care less what the rest of the world thinks. Don't judge until you've been there.

See, that's the thing, we CAN judge because we AREN'T there. We have no sentimental attachment, which means we can think clearly and objectively, allowing us to make "right" decisions instead of decisions based on emotion.

Other children could have used the organs that were donated to her. Granted, it isn't her fault that they didn't work. But it would be "right" to give another family the opportunity to save their child.

My organs serve no purpose after I die. I sure as hell hope they can help someone else out. Because when I'm sitting in that hospital bed in need of a kidney, I sure hope some decent person passes on the goods they no longer have use for.

Mr.Fiction · 02-22-2003, 05:59 PM

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Originally posted by ThunderBalls
I don't think most people will ever comprehend the feeling of being in a hospital watching your child die. You are in complete shock and it is like a bad dream that you know you will never wake up from. You cant judge any decision this woman makes, she is not in her right mind, is not thinking clearly, and probably could care less what the rest of the world thinks. Don't judge until you've been there.

I agree with you that most of us here will never know what the parents are going through. For that, we are lucky.

However, someone else who was going through that same thing made the decision which made it possible to try to save this girl's life. This family should have done the same for the next family whose child is in a bed somewhere dying - hoping for organs.

The decision should have been a no brainer.

Sarah_Jayne · 02-22-2003, 06:00 PM

i know my sister was gravely ill as an infant and had she needed a transplant my parents would have tried anything. Half a chance is better than none.

Also, if the organs aren't good enough to be transplanted they aren't going to give them the choice. Not like they are just waiting to give another child bad organs.

Enchantress · 02-22-2003, 06:13 PM

It's possible that they are planning to get an autopsy and need all her organs intact to get an accurate idea of when the brain damage occured.

ThunderBalls · 02-22-2003, 06:13 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

See, that's the thing, we CAN judge because we AREN'T there. We have no sentimental attachment, which means we can think clearly and objectively, allowing us to make "right" decisions instead of decisions based on emotion.

Other children could have used the organs that were donated to her. Granted, it isn't her fault that they didn't work. But it would be "right" to give another family the opportunity to save their child.

My organs serve no purpose after I die. I sure as hell hope they can help someone else out. Because when I'm sitting in that hospital bed in need of a kidney, I sure hope some decent person passes on the goods they no longer have use for.

I agree, it would have been the right thing to do, but until you are put in that situation you have no idea.

Look, I've been there. We agreed to donate the organs if there was someone that needed an organ at that time and there wasnt so we declined. Why? Because once you sign the paper to donate they will take every organ out of the body and the organs that are not used will end up in some classroom. Would it have been the right thing to do? Probably. But would you want your kids organs spread all over the country so people can study on them? Not me.

Sarah_Jayne · 02-22-2003, 06:17 PM

if my kids organs helped someone learn how to prevent another kid dying, then yes I would.

ThunderBalls · 02-22-2003, 06:24 PM

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Originally posted by sarah_webinc
if my kids organs helped someone learn how to prevent another kid dying, then yes I would.

Exactly how is a high school kid ripping into your kids heart going to prevent another kid from dying?

Peaches · 02-22-2003, 06:27 PM

It's not just the heart and lungs that can be donated.

Kidneys, Pancreas, Eyes, Livers, Uterus, Bone Marrow, Bowels, Nerves, Larynx and even Hands and Skin can be donated.

Sly_RJ · 02-22-2003, 06:28 PM

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Originally posted by ThunderBalls

Exactly how is a high school kid ripping into your kids heart going to prevent another kid from dying?

What high school experiments on human heart? I'd really like to speak with them.

Sarah_Jayne · 02-22-2003, 06:29 PM

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Originally posted by ThunderBalls

Exactly how is a high school kid ripping into your kids heart going to prevent another kid from dying?

teaching science? New doctors and researchers aren't just born. Also, could be labs, college's..etc.

If people didn't donate part of their bodies to science we wouldn't be able to do transplants in the first place.

SureFire · 02-22-2003, 06:29 PM

SAD.

According to national figures, 16 patients die in the U.S. each day
while waiting for a potentially life-saving transplant operation. How many US (citizens) patients currently on the (US) national organ waiting list were denied access to healthy hearts and lungs as a result of Santillan's two transplant surgeries? Until now, it didn?t really matter to me yet hearing about this case it does.

They came here illegally by paying $5,000 for the express purpose of obtaining medical care and circumventing long wait times in Mexico. And as we all know, Santillan's botched operation was far from typical.
Her illegal immigrant parents will probably sue Duke University.

Personally, if I was need of a donor?s organ I wouldn?t be picky. My driver?s license states that I am an organ donor and I am not changing it. But if I could be more specific about where my organs go to keep another person alive, I would say to another person who didn?t exploit the United States.

Sarah_Jayne · 02-22-2003, 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

What high school experiments on human heart? I'd really like to speak with them.

yeah, really. My mother is a science teacher and they have enough trouble getting the kid's parents to agree to let them cut open a frog.

Sly_RJ · 02-22-2003, 06:35 PM

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Originally posted by sarah_webinc

yeah, really. My mother is a science teacher and they have enough trouble getting the kid's parents to agree to let them cut open a frog.

We used sheep heart, and could BARELY get them.

Matt 26z · 02-22-2003, 07:55 PM

All of the reports going around say that the girl's new heart and lungs were healthy and working fine when they pulled the plug. The escalating brain damage was from her body rejecting the first set. So those organs (and the rest of her) were just fine.

02-22-2003, 04:12 PM	#1
Matt 26z So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ¤ª"˜¨๑۩۞۩๑¨˜"ª¤ Posts: 18,481	Girls parents DECLINE organ donation!!! "...the family declined to donate any organs from Jesica's body, including the heart and lungs that had been donated to her in an operation Thursday." - Yahoo news If any of her organs were still of value, then this family is pure scum.

02-22-2003, 04:17 PM	#3
asuna Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 8,743	they think their proving how mad they are at the hospital by not letting anyone else live __________________

02-22-2003, 04:18 PM	#4
Dawgy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 5,856	it seems that could be dangerous. her organs were damaged by the previous transplant with wrong blood type... im surprised the doctors would even consider using her organs in someoen else. seems like theyd be asking for a repeat of this whole problem. __________________ the revolution is coming.

02-22-2003, 04:18 PM	#5
KC Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 1995 Posts: 2,417	I was thinking about that.. It's a little different.. but it does seem scummy to make a unilateral decision for their daughter who received organs from at least 2 other people!! Those are hardly hers to keep!!! __________________ Jupiter Hosting, Inc. Vice President, Business Development kc (AT) jupiterhosting.com

02-22-2003, 04:53 PM	#14
steffie Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Somewhere in the Mountains, far far away Posts: 2,422	The girl is not dead. She is on life support and they will make up their mind tomorrow.. Come on guys! On another note, would you want your child to receive her organs? Knowing they came from a body who was damaged already? Maybe her parents are smarter than the doctors and say NO to transplants of the organs due to that particular fact. We are not in that situation. I pity the parents who have to deal with it now. No parent should see their child suffer and die with no reason. To top it off the media is having a frenzy while the parents are still clinging on every straw hoping their daughter is coming back. I can tell, nobody has kids on that board. Talk once you have children on your own. Otherwise hush! __________________ Partying since '96 and not going anywhere Anna's Dorm

02-22-2003, 04:16 PM	#2
galleryseek Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 8,234	ah fuck it, if something like that happened to me i wouldn't be in a very giving mood either.

02-22-2003, 04:28 PM	#6
Rich So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,486	They're pissed at the hospital so someone else's daughter has to die....nice.

02-22-2003, 04:31 PM	#7
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	I have defended the decision to give her the transplant against the "Americans Only" crowd here at GFY, but if the family is really being selfish with viable organs after so many other people helped them out, that is totally fucked up. It has nothing to do with nationality, and everything to do with being selfish people. How exactly do they think she got a second chance at life - not by the actions of people like them apparently.

02-22-2003, 04:45 PM	#10
Thomas N Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 973	It doesn't say her organs weren't fit for donation. It says her parents REFUSED. Huge difference.

02-22-2003, 04:58 PM	#15
Sly_RJ Live Hard - Die Hard Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ready to leave... Posts: 17,042	Why would the organs be bad simply because she had a wrong blood type transplant? That doesn't make sense. The body would have rejected that other blood and treated it like a foreign object, attacking it and "killing" it off. This would leave the other organs just fine. Does anyone have a link to some information about her other organs being bad because of the first transplant? __________________ PHAT SERVERS - Quality dedicated hosting at a quality price! sly AT phatservers DOT com - 147479144

02-22-2003, 04:58 PM	#16
TheDr Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: CO, USA Posts: 108	DURHAM, North Carolina (CNN) -- Doctors at Duke University Hospital declared Jesica Santillan dead at 1:25 p.m. Saturday and removed her from a respirator soon after. The 17 year-old girl had two heart and lung transplants this month, the first of which used organs with the wrong blood type. http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/02/22...ror/index.html

02-22-2003, 05:10 PM	#19
DX Feed me coffee. Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Massafuckingchusetts Posts: 1,128	the word "murder" has been tossed out. sad. parents are DEMANDING independent verification.. sad. they paid to be smuggled here illegally... sad. they'll leave multi-millionaires. sad.

02-22-2003, 05:29 PM	#22
Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	It's sad she didn't survive the latest effort. rip Cheers, Matt

02-22-2003, 05:43 PM	#24
goBigtime Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,761	Heres a better analogy: I got this V8 engine. It was messing up and I figured it was the oil pump. So after replacing the pump, I accidentally replace the engine oil with olive oil. The engine is now worse than it was. I think "Oh shit! that was olive oil", flush it out, and replace it with engine oil again. The engine dies completely... Now are you going to want the heads or carb off my engine that was running on olive oil and quickly died because of residuals and trauma related to that? Who knows how extensive the damage was? Who wants to find out? With engine parts you can probably do a lot better job at "flushing out" the bad stuff. But when talking about organs and stuff... cells get damaged and can mutate. Transplanting organs is already tricky enough as it is dealing with all the viruses and bacteria that want to over burden the immune system and reject the new part... let alone having to worry about traces/after effects of the wrong blood type within the cells.

02-22-2003, 05:45 PM	#25
dasexi1 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: if i told you, then THEY'D know Posts: 934	After what they have just been through can you really blame them for feeling the way they do? Perhaps their reasoning is along the lines of not wanting another family to go through the hell that they suffered. Can you imagine for a minute what it must of been like for that family to have finally had the hope that their child will have a chance to live, then have all your hopes and dreams of healthy productive life for your child snatched away from you because the Doctors fucked up?

02-22-2003, 05:47 PM	#26
ThunderBalls So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Mesosphere Posts: 2,926	I don't think most people will ever comprehend the feeling of being in a hospital watching your child die. You are in complete shock and it is like a bad dream that you know you will never wake up from. You cant judge any decision this woman makes, she is not in her right mind, is not thinking clearly, and probably could care less what the rest of the world thinks. Don't judge until you've been there.

02-22-2003, 06:00 PM	#30
Sarah_Jayne Now with more Jayne Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 40,077	i know my sister was gravely ill as an infant and had she needed a transplant my parents would have tried anything. Half a chance is better than none. Also, if the organs aren't good enough to be transplanted they aren't going to give them the choice. Not like they are just waiting to give another child bad organs.

02-22-2003, 06:13 PM	#31
Enchantress Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Wa. U.S.A Posts: 121	It's possible that they are planning to get an autopsy and need all her organs intact to get an accurate idea of when the brain damage occured.

02-22-2003, 06:17 PM	#33
Sarah_Jayne Now with more Jayne Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 40,077	if my kids organs helped someone learn how to prevent another kid dying, then yes I would.

02-22-2003, 06:27 PM	#35
Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	It's not just the heart and lungs that can be donated. Kidneys, Pancreas, Eyes, Livers, Uterus, Bone Marrow, Bowels, Nerves, Larynx and even Hands and Skin can be donated.

02-22-2003, 06:29 PM	#38
SureFire Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: internet Posts: 4,398	SAD. According to national figures, 16 patients die in the U.S. each day while waiting for a potentially life-saving transplant operation. How many US (citizens) patients currently on the (US) national organ waiting list were denied access to healthy hearts and lungs as a result of Santillan's two transplant surgeries? Until now, it didn?t really matter to me yet hearing about this case it does. They came here illegally by paying $5,000 for the express purpose of obtaining medical care and circumventing long wait times in Mexico. And as we all know, Santillan's botched operation was far from typical. Her illegal immigrant parents will probably sue Duke University. Personally, if I was need of a donor?s organ I wouldn?t be picky. My driver?s license states that I am an organ donor and I am not changing it. But if I could be more specific about where my organs go to keep another person alive, I would say to another person who didn?t exploit the United States.

02-22-2003, 07:55 PM	#41
Matt 26z So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ¤ª"˜¨๑۩۞۩๑¨˜"ª¤ Posts: 18,481	All of the reports going around say that the girl's new heart and lungs were healthy and working fine when they pulled the plug. The escalating brain damage was from her body rejecting the first set. So those organs (and the rest of her) were just fine.