Do we have an actual porn billionaire on GFY?

[mineistaken]

I know one of the most successful people in this industry still drives the beater he drove over 15 years ago. He started at the bottom. Now, he makes more in 60 seconds than most people here make in a year; in all likelihood the first billionaire of online adult, but he is so low key and humble about it that I have literally seen people talk at him like he is a one sale a week CCbill not even covering beer money webmaster posting about whether stats are up or down for everyone else.

http://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19854107&postcount=45

I remember that guy who used to post those up or down threads

[xNetworx]

Shawn?

[Mutt]

Who is Far-L referring to? Other than the Caldwell family, and maybe Ron Levi I can think of only one other person people have suggested has that kind of crazy money from online porn. We are talking about a BILLION dollars - think about it, making 10 million a year AFTER taxes it takes 100 years to save 1 BILLION, ten years of making 100 million a year.

[BareBacked]

AC ????

[BareBacked]

Who is Far-L referring to? Other than the Caldwell family, and maybe Ron Levi I can think of only one other person people have suggested has that kind of crazy money from online porn. We are talking about a BILLION dollars - think about it, making 10 million a year AFTER taxes it takes 100 years to save 1 BILLION, ten years of making 100 million a year.

making would include investments. Not just adult income

[gabe100]

Shawn?

i would wager Shawn as well. Mad respect for what he's built

[arock10]

Does Shawn have a mediocre car?

[theking]

Isn't Paul Markham a billionaire? Of course he isn't a member any more.

[Mutt]

i would wager Shawn as well. Mad respect for what he's built

Streamate?

[srockhard]

Streamate?

Indeed Boday.

[garce]

I was a billionaire. Then I woke up.

[bean-aid]

The entire porn industry, by many, is valued at about 2 billion and shrinking.

Source:many including reverse engineering fabians numbers and statements over the past 12 months

[TampaToker]

Shawn?

I would think so as well after seeing the cam studio he had built in Vegas. Simply a very fine piece of work. Was done like a damn hotel 100 rooms,showers,lockers and a few kitchens. Needless to say i was impressed.

[Spunky]

Money is over rated

[mineistaken]

Does Shawn have a mediocre car?

And is he treated like 1 ccbil sale a week guy on the board? Did he use to post "if sales are up or down" threads? Probably no, unless he is not known as streamate guy on boards, like if he uses fake nick...


So 99% its not Shawn Far-l is talking about.

[slapass]

So someone is bigger then Manwin, and no one is sure who it is? Seems a bit odd right?

[Jman]

Who is Far-L referring to? Other than the Caldwell family, and maybe Ron Levi I can think of only one other person people have suggested has that kind of crazy money from online porn. We are talking about a BILLION dollars - think about it, making 10 million a year AFTER taxes it takes 100 years to save 1 BILLION, ten years of making 100 million a year.

Both of those Ron's would not drive a beater so don't think he's talking about them. They where NOT low profile

[mineistaken]

So someone is bigger then Manwin, and no one is sure who it is? Seems a bit odd right?

My thoughts exactly. Even if you maintain very low profile some information would leak. For instance some programs or billers would brag about or mention "that guy" who sends them impossible amount of sale etc.

[PR_Glen]

The entire porn industry, by many, is valued at about 2 billion and shrinking.

Source:many including reverse engineering fabians numbers and statements over the past 12 months

that's not a source, or accurate...

[ilnjscb]

Conru is not a billionaire. He might be eventually though. That is one smart MF. Note that he is doing mainstream now.

[ZeroHero]

So someone is bigger then Manwin, and no one is sure who it is? Seems a bit odd right?

nope

[KillerK]

My vote is for AFF

[Alex1776]

DamianJ.

[media]

Legendary Lars?? He wears beach bum gear, lives low key, drives a rat rod around.. however, he also has some very very nice cars in his lineup

[J. Falcon]

I think he means Fatfoo

[Juicy D. Links]

achmed

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[Niktamer]

when i was in Hungaria, at the ATM I was almost a billionnaire.. that felt good

[bean-aid]

that's not a source, or accurate...

I know it's not. No assessment is accurate because so much not reported.

But also, what is an industry worth? If you add in money from a traffic buy, should that be considered?

The number should reflect how many people pay for something outside the industry, not within the industry. And what is the industry? Tittie bars inside the industry?

Online adult sales, magazines, dvds, adult stores, DILDO'S is what I would be referring to and I have a very hard time believing that those sales (everything lumped together) is higher then 2 billion. I don't see how it can be higher then 1 billion really.

Manwin claimed to make 100 million per year. Fabian said they represent 5% of the industry give or take. That puts the 2 billion per year figure. But most of that money is from other people buying ads, not the end consumer paying for memberships, chat, dating, etc.

Now you consider who buys these ads, are they making money? You can't just give money from person A, to person B, then say that money adds to the value of an industry.

It's all just guessing though... but I think most would agree the value is shrinking.

[Mutt]

Years ago during the best years of this industry I saw CCBILL's gross sales for a year, they were in some kind of official document, seemed legit. So I did a rough estimate at what percentage of online porn sales at the time were going through CCBILL vs Merchant accounts vs Epoch and the other few smaller third party processors. My estimate was 4 Billion in sales back then for the online adult industry, paysites. We are down way under 50% from those days so Beaner's estimate is close - 1-2 Billion.

[slapass]

Years ago during the best years of this industry I saw CCBILL's gross sales for a year, they were in some kind of official document, seemed legit. So I did a rough estimate at what percentage of online porn sales at the time were going through CCBILL vs Merchant accounts vs Epoch and the other few smaller third party processors. My estimate was 4 Billion in sales back then for the online adult industry, paysites. We are down way under 50% from those days so Beaner's estimate is close - 1-2 Billion.

Fabian had a pretty decent argument that the over all sales amount is actually up. Traffic is up as the third world is still coming online so it takes more traffic to make a sale but the traffic is there.

[JFK]

nope

Must be Juicy, heard he's packin

[AaronM]

I would think so as well after seeing the cam studio he had built in Vegas. Simply a very fine piece of work. Was done like a damn hotel 100 rooms,showers,lockers and a few kitchens. Needless to say i was impressed.

The build out is impressive but the way the place is run these days...Not so much.

[MrMaxwell]

I would like to meet a billionaire, sometime. That'd be interesting. Here is this guy who controls the equivalent of 1000s of average man's life work. Right there in his hands. I cannot even imagine what I would do with that kind of power. I could do a lot of good with that, for sure.. and, maybe, some bad... some bad, against some bad people, of course

The most important thing I would do would be to take a deep breath, exhale from deep within my soul, and fucking RELAX. I would sit still somewhere for a WEEK eating steaks and salads and watching my programs somewhere QUIET where no one could bother me, at all. Just peace and quiet and my programs and good food and PEACE.

Another thing I would do would be to cause some people I know to be able to do the same thing. People need a chance to breathe and so many of us never get it. In my case, yeah it is my fault, but I broke my own soul and wallet trying to be everything to everyone.. and I did some stupid things, I suppose.

There are a couple of billionaires in my area. I think I should try to see if I can meet one of them. Maybe I could get a tiny peace of their weight behind me. I could do amazing shit. Or maybe I could learn something from them.

[Buff]

No. There are no billionaires on GFY. There are maybe 3 people here with net assets in the 9 figures, but none in the 10.

[MrMaxwell]

No. There are no billionaires on GFY. There are maybe 3 people here with net assets in the 9 figures, but none in the 10.

How can you be so sure?

[Due]

No. There are no billionaires on GFY. There are maybe 3 people here with net assets in the 9 figures, but none in the 10.

I'm pretty sure that there is more than 3.

[Buff]

Is Xavier Niel on GFY? No? Then no.

[MrMaxwell]

A lot of people made a lot of money in this business.. and there is no reason to think that at least some of them didn't transition into mainstream shit and make even more.... I would think it'd be more likely than unlikely to have at least one or two billies on here. But, that IS a million bucks a THOUSAND times.. . So who knows.

[Buff]

A lot of people made a lot of money in this business.. and there is no reason to think that at least some of them didn't transition into mainstream shit and make even more.... I would think it'd be more likely than unlikely to have at least one or two billies on here. But, that IS a million bucks a THOUSAND times.. . So who knows.

A better way to look at is $50 million/yr after taxes for 20 years. So starting in 1993, if someone brought in a net of $50,000,000 every year on average through this year, he would have a net worth of $1 billion. Who do you know on GFY who has done this?

I think it's possible that maybe one or two people on GFY have a net worth of about $500 million. But even that's pushing it. $500,000,000 puts you at the same net worth as Vince McMahon and Tiger Woods.

[Pornopat]

I'm pretty sure that there is more than 3.

I agree with Due.

[RFremont]

It also depends on how you define net assets. Forbes, if I recall correctly, values net assets by investable assets which are cash, stocks/bonds and anything that can be liquidated for it's face value... I remember thinking it was odd that property wasn't included in that because land historically retains value. In one ranking, they didn't count any PRIMARY residence as a property asset.

There are many different variables on how to valuate assets; what about cash, jewelry, paintings/art? Those could be sold off for a part of what they were bought for, in case of paintings/art the full amount, if not more. Does one count a company as an asset? Publically traded companies are valued at 7-10 yearly NET earnings. How does taxes factor into that?

I often read those forbes reports on 'wealthy' celebrities... for example Fagne West net worth 100mn, and how is that evaluated? Reports claimed he generated 20mn a year in concerts/music income... how much of that is net after overhead, taxes, manager, agent, lawyer, etc? What did the douche net in his bank account after that year? Mayweather got 40mn for a fight... fair enough, what was his net? You hear stories about Evander Holyfield and Mike Tyson 'generated more than 300mn' in their careers, now broke... how much of that 300mn did they actually net... that is before they blew it on bad investments, spending sprees, child support, hanger-ons, baby mommas, lawsuits? I refuse to believe that at any given time Tyson or Holyfield had even say 80 million cash sitting in a bank account because you simply cannot blow through ALL of that kind of money. Even after losing the first 10mn-20mn on whatever, the morons would still have 60mn laying around... and now a decade later they are broke?? it just doesn't add up.

Bottom line is every motherfucker exxagerrates; I remember reading about some Arab that sued Forbes because he claimed they were undervaluing his net worth in the Forbes 500).

Only one thing I can say when people throw bullshit numbers around... it's not what you make. It's what you keep. And as for 'net worth', it's just very arbitrary.

[ls101]

If I was a Billionaire. I will buy all programs and rule the adult industry.

[sicone]

Legendary Lars?? He wears beach bum gear, lives low key, drives a rat rod around.. however, he also has some very very nice cars in his lineup

As I recall from reading, He also had many, many achievements and technology/company sales outside of adult.

[MrMaxwell]

A better way to look at is $50 million/yr after taxes for 20 years. So starting in 1993, if someone brought in a net of $50,000,000 every year on average through this year, he would have a net worth of $1 billion. Who do you know on GFY who has done this?

I think it's possible that maybe one or two people on GFY have a net worth of about $500 million. But even that's pushing it. $500,000,000 puts you at the same net worth as Vince McMahon and Tiger Woods.

Vince McMahon and Tiger Woods being worth half of a billion is insane
I can't stand either one of those clowns

A billion sure is a high bar.. I guess whoever it is would have to have made a lot and probably also made some good investments along the way

[Phoenix]

i think it is achievable, some programs still do over 2000 joins per day...then add in whatever other business they got into after a few years of that.

[mineistaken]

As I recall from reading, He also had many, many achievements and technology/company sales outside of adult.

It seems that some of you did not read the description.
Was legendary lars treated like 1 ccbill sale a week guy on board? No.

[TheMoneyMan]

millionairs yea, billion, debatable.

[JFK]

It also depends on how you define net assets. Forbes, if I recall correctly, values net assets by investable assets which are cash, stocks/bonds and anything that can be liquidated for it's face value... I remember thinking it was odd that property wasn't included in that because land historically retains value. In one ranking, they didn't count any PRIMARY residence as a property asset.

There are many different variables on how to valuate assets; what about cash, jewelry, paintings/art? Those could be sold off for a part of what they were bought for, in case of paintings/art the full amount, if not more. Does one count a company as an asset? Publically traded companies are valued at 7-10 yearly NET earnings. How does taxes factor into that?

I often read those forbes reports on 'wealthy' celebrities... for example Fagne West net worth 100mn, and how is that evaluated? Reports claimed he generated 20mn a year in concerts/music income... how much of that is net after overhead, taxes, manager, agent, lawyer, etc? What did the douche net in his bank account after that year? Mayweather got 40mn for a fight... fair enough, what was his net? You hear stories about Evander Holyfield and Mike Tyson 'generated more than 300mn' in their careers, now broke... how much of that 300mn did they actually net... that is before they blew it on bad investments, spending sprees, child support, hanger-ons, baby mommas, lawsuits? I refuse to believe that at any given time Tyson or Holyfield had even say 80 million cash sitting in a bank account because you simply cannot blow through ALL of that kind of money. Even after losing the first 10mn-20mn on whatever, the morons would still have 60mn laying around... and now a decade later they are broke?? it just doesn't add up.

Bottom line is every motherfucker exxagerrates; I remember reading about some Arab that sued Forbes because he claimed they were undervaluing his net worth in the Forbes 500).

Only one thing I can say when people throw bullshit numbers around... it's not what you make. It's what you keep. And as for 'net worth', it's just very arbitrary.

and here it is folks .....

it's not what you make. It's what you keep.

[adultmobile]

The strange part of the statement it is: "I have literally seen people talk at him like he is a one sale a week". This would exclude Boday (streamate) Conru/Lars (AFF/Cams) etc. Unless the guy does not tell who he is and wears like a loser in meetings

[MrMaxwell]

If there is anyone on here with a fortune of money, let me know how I can get a piece of it out of you. Seriously. I am extremely honest and good at fixing problems for people. I know rich assholes have problems, too, and I am pretty wonderful to know if you're some overly wealthy fuck, because I won't kiss your ass and that can be pretty refreshing for some spoiled asshole who forgot that he or she is a human being.