Ian - Gothweb - get your head out of your ass - GoFuckYourself.com

Smegma · 02-20-2003, 09:09 PM

Hey Ian. Why don't you pipe the fuck down.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...71#post1396371

We had been nothing but helpful in getting you moved over to our servers when, 2 days after signing up, you turn around and Spam through our servers.

Does anyone really think I would terminate a revenue generating account for sending 275 member e-mails... give me a fucking break.

What Ian isn't telling you is that, as a result of not having the proper protection in place, his members site was hacked blowing his monthly bandwidth on his Virtual account through the roof. The system automatically cut him off. Not only did WE find the problem, but also helped Ian fix it.

Here are a few ICQ logs.

Ian Blows his bandwidth - make your own call.
http://www.xfr.com/personal/ray/Ian%...0bandwidth.txt

Ian spams though his new account
http://www.xfr.com/personal/ray/Ian%...20spamming.txt

What he is also not telling you, is that after giving him free bandwidth after his member sites were hacked, he moved his shit to SinHost AND DIDN'T PAY THE OVERAGE BILL. I?m not surprised.

So Ian, I can go all day. How about you?

Amputate Your Head · 02-20-2003, 09:13 PM

oh no.....

do I need to break out the private reserve tonight?

Fletch XXX · 02-20-2003, 09:14 PM

Let Hell cometh.

Blood or glory.

Fletch XXX · 02-20-2003, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
do I need to break out the private reserve tonight?

Please do.

Ill thank you tomorrow.

Mr.Fiction · 02-20-2003, 09:17 PM

"several hundred outbound messages"

Why do you think it was spam?.

Maybe he has an opt in mailing list? Most sites do.

wethoney · 02-20-2003, 09:17 PM

It's always nice to hear the "other" side

Smegma · 02-20-2003, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
"several hundred outbound messages"

Why do you think it was spam?.

Maybe he has an opt in mailing list? Most sites do.

He was sending via an Outlook client. Who knows how many were sent before we caught it??? The queue was full and more e-mails were coming though after one was sent. I had my guy delete the queue and remove the account.

Opt in mailings are cool. I have no problem so long as the customer keeps a clean list and removes those who want to be removed.

Fletch XXX · 02-20-2003, 09:21 PM

He was emailing his webmasters?

Simple and has been covered. (at least I thought so)

Easy mistake for someone expanding and even tranferring his sites into and or under a program (Dark Dollars)

I thought this has been covered?

At least I thought so.

Smegma · 02-20-2003, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
He was emailing his webmasters?

Simple and has been covered. (at least I thought so)

Easy mistake for someone expanding and even tranferring his sites into and or under a program (Dark Dollars)

I thought this has been covered?

At least I thought so.

Whatever you want to believe. I know goth has a following. My issue is not with them, but the pubescent slamming of my company by him. Put yourself in my shoes.

It was fucking covered.. and I wasn't going to address it, but IAN felt the need to slam on company on a few occasions in the last couple of days. Right back at cha'.

Mutt · 02-20-2003, 09:26 PM

you gotta be kidding me..............you are calling somebody who is sending out emails in a queue through Outlook a spammer?

dunno about the other stuff, he should pay the overage on the password traffic. that's his fault.

Kick Ass Chat · 02-20-2003, 09:26 PM

Gothweb is always posting shit about him being broke. None of this seems out of line here about him?? It's sad how hosts get shafted by people like him all the time.

Smegma · 02-20-2003, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
you gotta be kidding me..............you are calling somebody who is sending out emails in a queue through Outlook a spammer?

dunno about the other stuff, he should pay the overage on the password traffic. that's his fault.

I don't care how they send it out.

Kick Ass Chat · 02-20-2003, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
you gotta be kidding me..............you are calling somebody who is sending out emails in a queue through Outlook a spammer?

dunno about the other stuff, he should pay the overage on the password traffic. that's his fault.

Spam is spam, it doesn't matter how it's sent. If I were a host and someone caused me trouble with my providers from spam complaints, they would be history. They didnt give a shit what problems could have developed from their spamming, so why should the host care about them??...

Amputate Your Head · 02-20-2003, 09:30 PM

who the hell does list mail from Outlook?

that's insane.

Fletch XXX · 02-20-2003, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Smegma

Whatever you want to believe. I know goth has a following. My issue is not with them, but the pubescent slamming of my company by him. Put yourself in my shoes.

It was fucking covered.. and I wasn't going to address it, but IAN felt the need to slam on company on a few occasions in the last couple of days. Right back at cha'.

C'mon man don't start this 'following' highschool shit. I am interested not in arguing, I care only about my brew at this point.

Just poking into the thread, i dont know anything about 'slamming companies' or other shit, I simply thought the guy got in some problems, switched hosts etc.

No judge or jury man - simple bystander.

buzzed and stumbling through.

heh.

Smegma · 02-20-2003, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX

C'mon man don't start this 'following' highschool shit. I am interested not in arguing, I care only about my brew at this point.

Just poking into the thread, i dont know anything about 'slamming companies' or other shit, I simply thought the guy got in some problems, switched hosts etc.

No judge or jury man - simple bystander.

buzzed and stumbling through.

heh.

It's all good. My issue is with Ian and no one else.

Fletch XXX · 02-20-2003, 09:34 PM

tis all good.

/tranquilized

02-20-2003, 09:34 PM

oh boy - GFY's most Gentleman-like member (beside of course Unseenworld) caught in the act.

Popcorn!

Mutt · 02-20-2003, 09:41 PM

reading the ICQ logs XFR seems like a professional guy. He knew Ian was bolting to a new host, he could have just let that password traffic go and socked Ian with a monster bandwidth bill but he gave him the option of shutting down the site so not to exceed his bandwidth limit.

p00p · 02-20-2003, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
who the hell does list mail from Outlook?

that's insane.

Ian does.

stocktrader23 · 02-20-2003, 09:44 PM

Not trying to step in the middle of an arguement but was it proven to be spam?

Snake Doctor · 02-20-2003, 09:45 PM

Dude, if what XFR is saying is true, then Ian really fucked up.

First, it was his own damn fault for not having pennywize or something similar installed.
Secondly, XFR tracked down the hacked passwords for him and removed them.
Then, even after Ian told them he was moving, they knocked down the bandwidth overage charge to 10 gigs and he still didn't pay it?

Mr.Fiction · 02-20-2003, 10:04 PM

I still am not convinced on the spam part of this, but Ian needs to pay his bandwidth bill.

Sounds like another case of someone not realizing that their reputation is worth more than the $50 they saved.

FATPad · 02-20-2003, 10:06 PM

The overages were dropped to 10 GB and he didn't pay them?

Jeez.

BV · 02-20-2003, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FATPad
The overages were dropped to 10 GB and he didn't pay them?

Jeez.

shit, I'll burn that in an hour

Backov · 02-20-2003, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BV

shit, I'll burn that in an hour

More actually. ;>

Cheers,
Backov

BV · 02-20-2003, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Backov

More actually. ;>

Cheers,
Backov

FUCK, really? I hope you have the force fields up at full strength partna'

Groove · 02-20-2003, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Smegma
We had been nothing but helpful in getting you moved over to our servers when, 2 days after signing up, you turn around and Spam through our servers.

Calling someone a spammer in a public forum is a heavy accusation. Do you know for a fact that it was spam? Do you have copies of the outgoing e-mails? It's usually pretty clear from the content of an e-mail whether it's spam or not.

RATBOY · 02-20-2003, 10:36 PM

I am staying out of this argument as I am totally not involved in any way whatsoever except Ian is a good buddy. I find it hard to believe Ian would stiff a genuine bandwidth bill, but then I do not know all the particulars.

I am sure he will respond professionally as soon as he wakes up.

I can't believe this shit is still going on and on. It is getting lame.

Rich · 02-20-2003, 10:40 PM

Spammers send out 500k and hour using bulk mailer programs, people sending a couple hundred e-mails through outlook are probably sending to members or some opt in list. lol, either that or he's the worst spammer since Casino boy.

Theo · 02-20-2003, 10:45 PM

Avoiding to pay a bandwidth bill is not good business practise. You are responsible for the security of your members area and you should pay the overages.

Rich · 02-20-2003, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
Avoiding to pay a bandwidth bill is not good business practise. You are responsible for the security of your members area and you should pay the overages.

absolutly right

Pipecrew · 02-20-2003, 10:54 PM

Hosts shouldnt call out people on the boards They should just respond to accusations in my opinion!

Theo · 02-20-2003, 10:56 PM

XFR 2/17/200 4:13 PM Did you see how much bandwidth you were pushing today?

XFR 2/17/200 4:14 PM Yesterday - 6 Gigabytes
So far today - 23 Gigabytes - You get listed
on the Hun or something? LOL

how many hosting co. do you tnink will alert you on this? Maybe sinhost is one of them as well, but don't you appreciate what you they did? Apparently not.....

Smegma · 02-20-2003, 10:57 PM

Pipe - Did you read the original post??.. lol..

Pipecrew · 02-20-2003, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
XFR 2/17/200 4:13 PM Did you see how much bandwidth you were pushing today?

XFR 2/17/200 4:14 PM Yesterday - 6 Gigabytes
So far today - 23 Gigabytes - You get listed
on the Hun or something? LOL

how many hosting co. do you tnink will alert you on this? Maybe sinhost is one of them as well, but don't you appreciate what you they did? Apparently not.....

haha i remember a host i had last year...... "Yeah we just want to alert you that you went over about 60 gigs"

me: ok, what do overages cost?

them: 4.50/gig

Me: Where do I cancel?

Pipecrew · 02-20-2003, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Smegma
Pipe - Did you read the original post??.. lol..

Yes, more importantly, look at the thread title

"Ian - Gothweb - get your head out of your ass "

Probably looks great when someone does a search on the board for your company? I still remember when you guys were freaking on me for not being able to load your site from my "shitty" isp

Mr.Fiction · 02-20-2003, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
XFR 2/17/200 4:13 PM Did you see how much bandwidth you were pushing today?

XFR 2/17/200 4:14 PM Yesterday - 6 Gigabytes
So far today - 23 Gigabytes - You get listed
on the Hun or something? LOL

how many hosting co. do you tnink will alert you on this? Maybe sinhost is one of them as well, but don't you appreciate what you they did? Apparently not.....

It's cool the host did it, but don't most people keep an eye on their own bandwidth graph?

Smegma · 02-20-2003, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pipecrew

Yes, more importantly, look at the thread title

"Ian - Gothweb - get your head out of your ass "

Probably looks great when someone does a search on the board for your company? I still remember when you guys were freaking on me for not being able to load your site from my "shitty" isp

Smegma · 02-20-2003, 11:06 PM

Hey Pipe. Yeah I remember that.. LOL.. you're a real piece of shit. That's good to know. Heading to bed. Ciao.

BV · 02-20-2003, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pipecrew
Probably looks great when someone does a search on the board for your company?

Well at least no cat flipping videos turned up. lol

Pipecrew · 02-20-2003, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Smegma
Hey Pipe. Yeah I remember that.. LOL.. you're a real piece of shit. That's good to know. Heading to bed. Ciao.

THanks

http://www.xfr.com/
http://www.xfrnetworks.com
xfrnetworks

Rich · 02-20-2003, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pipecrew

Yes, more importantly, look at the thread title

"Ian - Gothweb - get your head out of your ass "

Probably looks great when someone does a search on the board for your company? I still remember when you guys were freaking on me for not being able to load your site from my "shitty" isp

Hey knows that no one can search for XFR - search terms have to be 4 letters or more

Buckfutter · 02-20-2003, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BV

FUCK, really? I hope you have the force fields up at full strength partna'

Remind me to start fabricating your graphs ;) . Hahaha

DrewKole · 02-20-2003, 11:15 PM

I think Smegma and the gang at XFR are a class act...

All that ICQ log does is prove that even further.

If JFP and Jim weren't sending me mexican hookers every night, XFR would definately be on my list of hosts to deal with, ;)

Pipecrew · 02-20-2003, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich

Hey knows that no one can search for XFR - search terms have to be 4 letters or more

hence my above post, all variations

Its cool that hosts get mad, but dont call someone a piece of shit because they are telling you that they cant load a page...... Like really...

Looks good for the search

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/search...der=descending

Jak · 02-20-2003, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich

Hey knows that no one can search for XFR - search terms have to be 4 letters or more

Side Note: Actually Lensman changed that a few months ago after a bunch of us requested it. You can search for 3 characters now too.

rdunn404 · 02-20-2003, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BV

Well at least no cat flipping videos turned up. lol

Aaah, but the night is still young!

Brad Mitchell · 02-20-2003, 11:55 PM

I'm just popping in to say a few words. Peace be with everyone!

First, everyone has to respect that each hosting company has it's own policies. When you're running an operation larger than one person it's necessary to have protocols otherwise there is chaos. Sometimes this means that personal interaction before "taking action" doesn't always occur. Ultimately, safeguards like what was triggered at XFR are in place to protect the sanctity of each hosting company's clients. You have to respect what XFR did because it wasn't unreasonable. They're pretty slick if they had alerts pop up due to that small of a mailing being sent out. Besides which, it's easy to get jaded as a host when people are always inventing new ways to screw you.

Was Ian spamming? Based on my years of knowing and hosting him I know he wasn't. However, it's not fair to expect a new host to be a psychic since he hasn't obviously known Ian for any period of time. Perhaps if a policy was in place was to disable the sendmail but not the sites it would stop the immediate problem until it could be investigated while not affecting website uptime.

You know, when I read the other thread that was linked to in the first post I didn't see Ian's question to Amp to be all that unusual. Since when does someone asking if someone else has hit a bandwidth cap and been turned off become an attack? Besides which, the average viewing audience dosn't know who is hosting with who and where people used to host - only those involved do and end up taking these things personally.

I'm missing where Ian said he would not pay you whatever amount was due? I read the transcripts you linked to and I don't see him saying that. There's nothing wrong with moving hosts so the 'to do' about him jumping ship... well, fuck anyone for giving him shit for deciding to change hosts. People do it all the time, Ian just happens to be a bit of a loudmouth about his issues so of course he deserves some board beating for that. It was nice of you to offer a discount on his overage, not all hosts would do that, Ian should appreciate that.

As long as he pays what he owes what is the current problem? I haven't been as current on GFY the last few days so it's possible I've missed something somewhere.

Ian has always been poor - he was poor back when he hosted with me for such a long time. It's the ongoing plight of Ian the brilliant artist but somewhat cursed businessman. We had quite a few spirited arguments... if I'm not mistaken one of them was about him eating Ramen Noodles for dinner and me eating steak or something like that. However, not a single bill ever went unpaid in my tenure hosting him.

All I can say for certain is that Ian was reasonably forthcoming about moving hosts. So that you know Smegma, Ian was not in a rush to move and took several weeks to make that decision. He expressed to me that you had done an excellent job accomodating him and that the hosting performance was solid. If he's got dual personalities, it isn't my fault. Why he ultimately chose not to stay, only Ian knows.

When all is said and done, the hosting client owes his host whatever is properly invoiced and not much more.

I'm not popping in here with any agenda, I just wanted to say what I've said because I trust Ian's character.... not always his judgement, but yes his character. XFR has a positive reputation and nothing I've seen so far has detracted from that. I, like you and others, object to his saying so much public in forums because it's often inappropriate and unnecessarily destructive.

Ian is a good person but obviously can easily turn into a host's worst 'board' nightmare. If he doesn't pay his outstanding bill with you, please send me the invoice.

Cheers,

Brad

Mr.Fiction · 02-21-2003, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SinEmpire

Ian has always been poor - he was poor black...

Let's leave race out of this!

02-20-2003, 09:09 PM	#1
Smegma Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,751	Ian - Gothweb - get your head out of your ass Hey Ian. Why don't you pipe the fuck down. http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...71#post1396371 We had been nothing but helpful in getting you moved over to our servers when, 2 days after signing up, you turn around and Spam through our servers. Does anyone really think I would terminate a revenue generating account for sending 275 member e-mails... give me a fucking break. What Ian isn't telling you is that, as a result of not having the proper protection in place, his members site was hacked blowing his monthly bandwidth on his Virtual account through the roof. The system automatically cut him off. Not only did WE find the problem, but also helped Ian fix it. Here are a few ICQ logs. Ian Blows his bandwidth - make your own call. http://www.xfr.com/personal/ray/Ian%...0bandwidth.txt Ian spams though his new account http://www.xfr.com/personal/ray/Ian%...20spamming.txt What he is also not telling you, is that after giving him free bandwidth after his member sites were hacked, he moved his shit to SinHost AND DIDN'T PAY THE OVERAGE BILL. I?m not surprised. So Ian, I can go all day. How about you? __________________ <a href="http://www.jupiterhosting.com"><img src="http://www.jupiterhosting.com/banners/55x55.jupiter.gif" alt="" border="0" align=""></a>

02-20-2003, 09:13 PM	#2
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	oh no..... do I need to break out the private reserve tonight? __________________ SIG TOO BIG

02-20-2003, 09:14 PM	#3
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Let Hell cometh. Blood or glory. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

02-20-2003, 09:21 PM	#8
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	He was emailing his webmasters? Simple and has been covered. (at least I thought so) Easy mistake for someone expanding and even tranferring his sites into and or under a program (Dark Dollars) I thought this has been covered? At least I thought so. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

02-20-2003, 09:26 PM	#10
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	you gotta be kidding me..............you are calling somebody who is sending out emails in a queue through Outlook a spammer? dunno about the other stuff, he should pay the overage on the password traffic. that's his fault. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

02-20-2003, 09:17 PM	#5
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	"several hundred outbound messages" Why do you think it was spam?. Maybe he has an opt in mailing list? Most sites do.

02-20-2003, 09:17 PM	#6
wethoney So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,032	It's always nice to hear the "other" side

02-20-2003, 09:26 PM	#11
Kick Ass Chat Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 2,057	Gothweb is always posting shit about him being broke. None of this seems out of line here about him?? It's sad how hosts get shafted by people like him all the time.

02-20-2003, 09:30 PM	#14
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	who the hell does list mail from Outlook? that's insane. __________________ SIG TOO BIG

02-20-2003, 09:34 PM	#17
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	tis all good. /tranquilized __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

02-20-2003, 09:34 PM	#18
X37375787 Guest Posts: n/a	oh boy - GFY's most Gentleman-like member (beside of course Unseenworld) caught in the act. Popcorn!

02-20-2003, 09:41 PM	#19
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	reading the ICQ logs XFR seems like a professional guy. He knew Ian was bolting to a new host, he could have just let that password traffic go and socked Ian with a monster bandwidth bill but he gave him the option of shutting down the site so not to exceed his bandwidth limit. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

02-20-2003, 09:44 PM	#21
stocktrader23 Let's do some business. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The dirty south. Posts: 18,781	Not trying to step in the middle of an arguement but was it proven to be spam? __________________ Hands Free Adult - Join Once, Earn For Life "I try to make a habit of bouncing my eyes up to the face of a beautiful woman, and often repeat “not mine” in my head or even verbally. She’s not mine. God has her set aside. She’s not mine. She’s His little girl, and she needs me to fight for her by keeping my eyes where they should be."

02-20-2003, 09:45 PM	#22
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	Dude, if what XFR is saying is true, then Ian really fucked up. First, it was his own damn fault for not having pennywize or something similar installed. Secondly, XFR tracked down the hacked passwords for him and removed them. Then, even after Ian told them he was moving, they knocked down the bandwidth overage charge to 10 gigs and he still didn't pay it? __________________ sig too big

02-20-2003, 10:04 PM	#23
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	I still am not convinced on the spam part of this, but Ian needs to pay his bandwidth bill. Sounds like another case of someone not realizing that their reputation is worth more than the $50 they saved.

02-20-2003, 10:06 PM	#24
FATPad Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,693	The overages were dropped to 10 GB and he didn't pay them? Jeez. __________________ <a href="http://www.adultcontent.co.uk">Adult Content UK - Great British Content</a>

02-20-2003, 10:36 PM	#29
RATBOY Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,592	I am staying out of this argument as I am totally not involved in any way whatsoever except Ian is a good buddy. I find it hard to believe Ian would stiff a genuine bandwidth bill, but then I do not know all the particulars. I am sure he will respond professionally as soon as he wakes up. I can't believe this shit is still going on and on. It is getting lame.

02-20-2003, 10:40 PM	#30
Rich So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,486	Spammers send out 500k and hour using bulk mailer programs, people sending a couple hundred e-mails through outlook are probably sending to members or some opt in list. lol, either that or he's the worst spammer since Casino boy.

02-20-2003, 10:45 PM	#31
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	Avoiding to pay a bandwidth bill is not good business practise. You are responsible for the security of your members area and you should pay the overages.

02-20-2003, 10:54 PM	#33
Pipecrew Master of Gfy.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 14,887	Hosts shouldnt call out people on the boards They should just respond to accusations in my opinion!

02-20-2003, 10:56 PM	#34
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	XFR 2/17/200 4:13 PM Did you see how much bandwidth you were pushing today? XFR 2/17/200 4:14 PM Yesterday - 6 Gigabytes So far today - 23 Gigabytes - You get listed on the Hun or something? LOL how many hosting co. do you tnink will alert you on this? Maybe sinhost is one of them as well, but don't you appreciate what you they did? Apparently not.....

02-20-2003, 10:57 PM	#35
Smegma Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,751	Pipe - Did you read the original post??.. lol..

02-20-2003, 11:06 PM	#40
Smegma Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,751	Hey Pipe. Yeah I remember that.. LOL.. you're a real piece of shit. That's good to know. Heading to bed. Ciao.

02-20-2003, 11:15 PM	#45
DrewKole Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 5,193	I think Smegma and the gang at XFR are a class act... All that ICQ log does is prove that even further. If JFP and Jim weren't sending me mexican hookers every night, XFR would definately be on my list of hosts to deal with, ;)

02-20-2003, 11:55 PM	#49
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,812	I'm just popping in to say a few words. Peace be with everyone! First, everyone has to respect that each hosting company has it's own policies. When you're running an operation larger than one person it's necessary to have protocols otherwise there is chaos. Sometimes this means that personal interaction before "taking action" doesn't always occur. Ultimately, safeguards like what was triggered at XFR are in place to protect the sanctity of each hosting company's clients. You have to respect what XFR did because it wasn't unreasonable. They're pretty slick if they had alerts pop up due to that small of a mailing being sent out. Besides which, it's easy to get jaded as a host when people are always inventing new ways to screw you. Was Ian spamming? Based on my years of knowing and hosting him I know he wasn't. However, it's not fair to expect a new host to be a psychic since he hasn't obviously known Ian for any period of time. Perhaps if a policy was in place was to disable the sendmail but not the sites it would stop the immediate problem until it could be investigated while not affecting website uptime. You know, when I read the other thread that was linked to in the first post I didn't see Ian's question to Amp to be all that unusual. Since when does someone asking if someone else has hit a bandwidth cap and been turned off become an attack? Besides which, the average viewing audience dosn't know who is hosting with who and where people used to host - only those involved do and end up taking these things personally. I'm missing where Ian said he would not pay you whatever amount was due? I read the transcripts you linked to and I don't see him saying that. There's nothing wrong with moving hosts so the 'to do' about him jumping ship... well, fuck anyone for giving him shit for deciding to change hosts. People do it all the time, Ian just happens to be a bit of a loudmouth about his issues so of course he deserves some board beating for that. It was nice of you to offer a discount on his overage, not all hosts would do that, Ian should appreciate that. As long as he pays what he owes what is the current problem? I haven't been as current on GFY the last few days so it's possible I've missed something somewhere. Ian has always been poor - he was poor back when he hosted with me for such a long time. It's the ongoing plight of Ian the brilliant artist but somewhat cursed businessman. We had quite a few spirited arguments... if I'm not mistaken one of them was about him eating Ramen Noodles for dinner and me eating steak or something like that. However, not a single bill ever went unpaid in my tenure hosting him. All I can say for certain is that Ian was reasonably forthcoming about moving hosts. So that you know Smegma, Ian was not in a rush to move and took several weeks to make that decision. He expressed to me that you had done an excellent job accomodating him and that the hosting performance was solid. If he's got dual personalities, it isn't my fault. Why he ultimately chose not to stay, only Ian knows. When all is said and done, the hosting client owes his host whatever is properly invoiced and not much more. I'm not popping in here with any agenda, I just wanted to say what I've said because I trust Ian's character.... not always his judgement, but yes his character. XFR has a positive reputation and nothing I've seen so far has detracted from that. I, like you and others, object to his saying so much public in forums because it's often inappropriate and unnecessarily destructive. Ian is a good person but obviously can easily turn into a host's worst 'board' nightmare. If he doesn't pay his outstanding bill with you, please send me the invoice. Cheers, Brad