Fuck, I cookie stuffed Amazon in error for a few hours - GoFuckYourself.com

borked · 02-12-2013, 09:40 AM

I fucked up with some jQuery and instead of embedding a link, I redirected traffic to amazon. Didn't realise for a few hours, but that was enough to set enough cookies to take credit for sales...

Even though my visitor got redirected to amazon, which probably was a good enough reason to prompt some surfers to buy something, it's against their policy as it wasn't a click and can be seen (and rightly so) as cookie stuffing...

Anyone know how I can get these sales erased from my account before they go ahead and lock my account? The account is too valuable in terms of real clicks/sales to get it locked, for the sake of a few quid made from those sales.

AllAboutCams · 02-12-2013, 09:51 AM

was that a direct link to amazon home page or a product?

~Ray · 02-12-2013, 09:53 AM

ooops. I would wait and see.

borked · 02-12-2013, 09:58 AM

redirect to home page - the jQuery was product matching keywords on the page allowing deep linking.
The error was as there was no keyword products on a particular page, the link was supposed to simply link to the home page, but the jQuery code set location and not the link!!

Anyway, I found their contact form and fired of a request. Really can't risk them locking the account as it's too productive even without this deep linking.

rhcp011235 · 02-12-2013, 10:01 AM

lol - Always fun when you do something like that and dont notice

Webmazter · 02-12-2013, 10:24 AM

First, you should not post it anywhere and especially here. Second, well, there is no second..

borked · 02-12-2013, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Webmazter

First, you should not post it anywhere and especially here. Second, well, there is no second..

Huh? you know my affiliate ID do you?

CyberHustler · 02-12-2013, 10:59 AM

I think you're going to be ok. Smoke a joint and move on.

Ringo · 02-12-2013, 11:04 AM

write them the same message without 'Fuck' in the title

Robbie · 02-12-2013, 11:07 AM

Borked...I know what you're saying you did.

But the actual definition of "cookie stuffing" is not what you did.

Cookie stuffing is when you take a big group of affiliate links and put each one on a 1x1 pixel and hide them in the page so that when a surfer visits your page they get cookied by a ton of different sites with your affiliate link even though they can't actually SEE the sites or even know they were being cookied with it.

That's why it's called "stuffing".

geedub · 02-12-2013, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Borked...I know what you're saying you did.

But the actual definition of "cookie stuffing" is not what you did.

Cookie stuffing is when you take a big group of affiliate links and put each one on a 1x1 pixel and hide them in the page so that when a surfer visits your page they get cookied by a ton of different sites with your affiliate link even though they can't actually SEE the sites or even know they were being cookied with it.

That's why it's called "stuffing".

He set the cookie without the surfer knowing, how is that not cookie stuffing?

Robbie · 02-12-2013, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by geedub

He set the cookie without the surfer knowing, how is that not cookie stuffing?

Did you read what I said?

Cookie stuffing is "stuffing" a bunch of cookies on a page without the surfer knowing it.

He set one cookie by accident.

I was just pointing out that the definition of "cookie stuffing" is exactly what I said it is.

Also he said that the surfer was redirected to Amazon. That means they saw the site. Nothing hidden about that part.

His real worry is that Amazon apparently doesn't accept redirects.

AllAboutCams · 02-12-2013, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Did you read what I said?

Cookie stuffing is "stuffing" a bunch of cookies on a page without the surfer knowing it.

He set one cookie by accident.

I was just pointing out that the definition of "cookie stuffing" is exactly what I said it is.

Also he said that the surfer was redirected to Amazon. That means they saw the site. Nothing hidden about that part.

His real worry is that Amazon apparently doesn't accept redirects.

i don't get this isn't that like if someone had 100s of banners on there site with the 1 pixel thing how does that count the cookie or are they doing something else.

Robbie · 02-12-2013, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by AllAboutCams

i don't get this isn't that like if someone had 100s of banners on there site with the 1 pixel thing how does that count the cookie or are they doing something else.

Because the 1x1 pixel IS the actual site with your affiliate code in it. Not just a link to the site.

In other words the site in question (or sites in the case of "cookie stuffing") are fully loaded on a 1x1 pixel (which is too small for you to notice on the page). It's in an IFRAME
So it's the equivalent of the surfer actually visiting a bunch of sites...but they don't know they did.

Now they are effectively cookied for a multitude of sites. So if they go to any of those sites in the near future and spend money...then the "cookie stuffing" makes sure the bad guy gets paid.

AllAboutCams · 02-12-2013, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Because the 1x1 pixel IS the actual site with your affiliate code in it. Not just a link to the site.

In other words the site in question (or sites in the case of "cookie stuffing") are fully loaded on a 1x1 pixel (which is too small for you to notice on the page). It's in an IFRAME
So it's the equivalent of the surfer actually visiting a bunch of sites...but they don't know they did.

Now they are effectively cookied for a multitude of sites. So if they go to any of those sites in the near future and spend money...then the "cookie stuffing" makes sure the bad guy gets paid.

ok i understand know

PornDiscounts-V · 02-12-2013, 11:58 AM

I used to cookie stuff them a few years ago.

Made some really nice sales. Funny how much somebody will buy.

Typical customer:

2 coffee mugs
4 DVD's for kids
1 DVD action flick
2 books
1 pair of headphones
1 blender

Of all of that though I think the order would be worth like $5. Books make you shit. DVD's worse.

borked · 02-12-2013, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Borked...I know what you're saying you did.

But the actual definition of "cookie stuffing" is not what you did.

Cookie stuffing is when you take a big group of affiliate links and put each one on a 1x1 pixel and hide them in the page so that when a surfer visits your page they get cookied by a ton of different sites with your affiliate link even though they can't actually SEE the sites or even know they were being cookied with it.

That's why it's called "stuffing".

Right - you can also cookie stuff from images apparently, which I think is what a lot of broken images are on forums (gfy included). Amazon call it something else, but it's the same thing.

I'm still waiting for them to get back to me, but I'm hoping because I was honest and explained the fault, they will see in fact the users ended up on their site, which is actually not at all cookie stuffing.
Redirecting/popups etc aren't permitted since for amazon, it's impossible register impressions to calculate CPCs, which opens up the whole can of worms on detecting cookie stuffing, hence the insane clickthru rate percentage in the image.

Supz · 02-12-2013, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Did you read what I said?

Cookie stuffing is "stuffing" a bunch of cookies on a page without the surfer knowing it.

He set one cookie by accident.

I was just pointing out that the definition of "cookie stuffing" is exactly what I said it is.

Also he said that the surfer was redirected to Amazon. That means they saw the site. Nothing hidden about that part.

His real worry is that Amazon apparently doesn't accept redirects.

Cookie Stuffing

Cookie stuffing occurs when a user visits a website, and as a result of that visit receives a third-party cookie from an entirely different website (the target affiliate website), usually without the user being aware of it.

tokmansta · 02-12-2013, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by borked

Right - you can also cookie stuff from images apparently

tell me more

borked · 02-12-2013, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tokmansta

tell me more

No image above? You just got stuffed.
Check your cookies for one set from the borkedcoder domain...

Now reload the page to see the real image. Happens all the time on GFY...

edit - hence why CPM advertising is no longer from reputable advertisers

BSleazy · 02-12-2013, 01:17 PM

Whoever you email won't have a clue what jquery is or whatever you did and will just close your account. Should of just let it go.

borked · 02-12-2013, 01:26 PM

Well, I did ask for the commissions from 10/11 February to be deleted, so we'll see.
I'll post here if I get sin binned!

borked · 02-13-2013, 09:59 AM

Honesty is the best policy...

Quote:

Hello,

Thank you for contacting Amazon Associates programme.

I will need to further investigate this issue with the appropriate department. I will contact you again within 2 business days with an update. Please be aware that this is the maximum amount of time it will take for us to update you.

I hope this helps. We look forward to seeing you again soon.

then

Quote:

Hello,

Greetings from Amazon Associate programme.

I have checked and see that there is no discrepancy in the links reported in the associate central.

I hope this helps.

Thank you for your continued interest in the Associates Programme.

Warmest regards,

So all's good

geedub · 02-13-2013, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Supz

Cookie Stuffing

Cookie stuffing occurs when a user visits a website, and as a result of that visit receives a third-party cookie from an entirely different website (the target affiliate website), usually without the user being aware of it.

Nope. Unless it happens 100 times, it's not cookie stuffing. Robbie says.

Robbie · 02-13-2013, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by geedub

Nope. Unless it happens 100 times, it's not cookie stuffing. Robbie says.

Nope, you just don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Cookie stuffing is ALWAYS I-framing a website with your affiliate id in it on a hidden pixel that the surfer can't see. And the "stuffing" part comes from doing it multiple times on the same page.

Don't get all snippy with me because you don't know the business. Maybe if you shut up and learned from people who do understand how things work you would learn something instead of look like a jackass.

newB · 02-13-2013, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Cookie stuffing is ALWAYS I-framing a website with your affiliate id in it on a hidden pixel that the surfer can't see. And the "stuffing" part comes from doing it multiple times on the same page.

Wikipedia would disagree - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cookie_stuffing

On a related note, I have seen quite a few "sites" that were nothing more than an I-framed sponsor site slapped on a separate domain - actually a once prominent GFYer who has been rather quiet lately, seems to have a number of these "sites". I would assume that most sponsors would take issue with this, but apparently not. This guy has also bragged quite a bit about how much money he makes with minimal effort, so maybe he's on to something.

Robbie · 02-13-2013, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by newB

Wikipedia would disagree - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cookie_stuffing

On a related note, I have seen quite a few "sites" that were nothing more than an I-framed sponsor site slapped on a separate domain - actually a once prominent GFYer who has been rather quiet lately, seems to have a number of these "sites". I would assume that most sponsors would take issue with this, but apparently not. This guy has also bragged quite a bit about how much money he makes with minimal effort, so maybe he's on to something.

Wikipedia is way off on that. Doesn't surprise me though.

It was us webmasters who invented the phrase "cookie stuffing" years ago. Those that weren't around, just don't know what it means.

And putting an I-framed sponsor site on a domain isn't "cookie stuffing". It's what almost every affiliate that submits to tubes does. They re-watermark a sponsors tube clip with their own domain and then iframe (or redirect) the appropriate website with their affiliate code on it.

Back then "cookie stuffing" was when you put a dozen or so 1x1 pixels that the surfer couldn't see and had a bunch of different programs you promoted i-framed on them. If you had a high traffic site it would work awesome because you would cookie the surfer first.

So if later on, another webmaster who actually was trying to market that site got a click to one of those sites...the "cookie stuffer" got credit for the sale.

Maybe the term has "evolved" now with new unexperienced webmasters everywhere that don't remember what it was called. To me it is and always will be the practice of putting a cookie on a surfer without the surfer ever seeing the website that they are being cookied for.

Anyway, it didn't sound to me that what borked did was "cookie stuffing". And that, along with his honesty with Amazon caused them to agree.

georgeyw · 02-13-2013, 01:27 PM

Robbie, as the old saying goes, there is more than one way to skin a cat.

Same goes for cookie stuffing.

Cookie stuffing is as has been mentioned - adding a cookie for a site that a surfer did not intend to visit ie popups, images, embed, iframes, blah de blah blah - anything that adds a cookie for a 3rd party website = cookie stuffing.

signupdamnit · 02-13-2013, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by georgeyw

Robbie, as the old saying goes, there is more than one way to skin a cat.

Same goes for cookie stuffing.

Cookie stuffing is as has been mentioned - adding a cookie for a site that a surfer did not intend to visit ie popups, images, embed, iframes, blah de blah blah - anything that adds a cookie for a 3rd party website = cookie stuffing.

I think I see a bit what Robbie is saying. I don't consider stuffing a cookie to a single site to be negative cookie stuffing as long as it's just one site and the site's material is actually being shown on the page within reason. Now that urls are all over the place on content that is just being a smart affiliate and making sure you get your commission. It's not that much different than linking a ccbill gallery to go through ccbill's site first before the vistor lands on the actual gallery. Now if you open 100 sites in 1x1 i-frame that is something different.

borked · 02-13-2013, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

I think I see a bit what Robbie is saying. I don't consider stuffing a cookie to a single site to be negative cookie stuffing as long as it's just one site and the site's material is actually being shown on the page within reason. Now that urls are all over the place on content that is just being a smart affiliate and making sure you get your commission. It's not that much different than linking a ccbill gallery to go through ccbill's site first before the vistor lands on the actual gallery. Now if you open 100 sites in 1x1 i-frame that is something different.

Check Post # 20 in this thread...
I could do the same in my sig so that if you haven't viewed my sig in 24 hrs, instead of displaying my sig, I pop an amazon cookie. Then if you see any of my posts in the next 24 hrs, you'll see my sig image, all the while my amazon refcode is set on your browser and you knew nothing about it.
Now visit amazon and buy anything and I get credit for a sale I didn't make.

In my eyes, that is cookie stuffing and it's very very dishonest. All I did was set 1 cookie per unique visitor yet could make a shitload on it, esp with geolocalised stuff too.

But, you'd quickly get caught out...

signupdamnit · 02-13-2013, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by borked

Check Post # 20 in this thread...
I could do the same in my sig so that if you haven't viewed my sig in 24 hrs, instead of displaying my sig, I pop an amazon cookie. Then if you see any of my posts in the next 24 hrs, you'll see my sig image, all the while my amazon refcode is set on your browser and you knew nothing about it.
Now visit amazon and buy anything and I get credit for a sale I didn't make.

In my eyes, that is cookie stuffing and it's very very dishonest. All I did was set 1 cookie per unique visitor yet could make a shitload on it, esp with geolocalised stuff too.

But, you'd quickly get caught out...

That is negative cookie stuffing. But if you do it on a page where you are only showing a bunch of products for the site in question and they have their site url all over the place on the images then I don't consider it a negative type of cookie stuffing. I consider that making sure you get paid what you are owed.

I don't consider what you did at first to be very bad since you did send them to amazon. It may still be against their terms though. It would be different if you did as in post 20 where you stuff the forum with no other promotion and on someone else's site.

Freaky_Akula · 02-14-2013, 07:54 AM

Robbie is right. You were not cookiestuffing.

digitalfantasies · 02-14-2013, 08:24 AM

fuck amazon, I tried to buy a few iphones... my debit card was "flagged", so I needed to send them a statement BY FAX (really, who uses a fax nowaways?)

Sent them the statement 6 times, for some reason they do not accept it, and for some reason they do not want to tell what the problem is... Fuck amazon.. I just take my money elsewhere :-)

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borked Totally Borked Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,284	Fuck, I cookie stuffed Amazon in error for a few hours I fucked up with some jQuery and instead of embedding a link, I redirected traffic to amazon. Didn't realise for a few hours, but that was enough to set enough cookies to take credit for sales... Even though my visitor got redirected to amazon, which probably was a good enough reason to prompt some surfers to buy something, it's against their policy as it wasn't a click and can be seen (and rightly so) as cookie stuffing... Anyone know how I can get these sales erased from my account before they go ahead and lock my account? The account is too valuable in terms of real clicks/sales to get it locked, for the sake of a few quid made from those sales. __________________ For coding work - hit me up on andy // borkedcoder // com (consider figuring out the email as test #1) All models are wrong, but some are useful. George E.P. Box. p202

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borked Totally Borked Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,284	redirect to home page - the jQuery was product matching keywords on the page allowing deep linking. The error was as there was no keyword products on a particular page, the link was supposed to simply link to the home page, but the jQuery code set location and not the link!! Anyway, I found their contact form and fired of a request. Really can't risk them locking the account as it's too productive even without this deep linking. __________________ For coding work - hit me up on andy // borkedcoder // com (consider figuring out the email as test #1) All models are wrong, but some are useful. George E.P. Box. p202

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georgeyw 58008 53773 Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 9,864	Robbie, as the old saying goes, there is more than one way to skin a cat. Same goes for cookie stuffing. Cookie stuffing is as has been mentioned - adding a cookie for a site that a surfer did not intend to visit ie popups, images, embed, iframes, blah de blah blah - anything that adds a cookie for a 3rd party website = cookie stuffing. __________________ TripleXPrint on Megan Fox "I would STILL suck her pussy until her face caved in. And then blow her up and do it again!"

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