Hofstra graduates honor student killed by police

[brassmonkey]

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MINEOLA, N.Y. (AP) ? Students at Hofstra University wore white ribbons at their graduation ceremony to honor a fellow student who was accidentally killed by a police officer tackling an armed intruder.

Sunday's ceremony came two days after Andrea Rebello died when the masked man entered her off-campus home on Long Island. A police officer aiming at the would-be robber opened fire, hitting the 21-year-old college junior as well as the ex-convict who had entered the house.

On Saturday evening, flags on campus were at half-staff and students held a silent outdoor in front of a photo of the young woman. Surrounded by candles and flowers, they sang "Ave Maria." Rebello

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[L-Pink]

Twin sisters, one shot dead. Pretty tragic incident set in motion by another career criminal on the lose.

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[crockett]

You just have to wonder how the hell cops get away with this kind of stuff.

It was known that the guy had a gun and was holding it on the girl. He was threatening to kill her, so obviously the best course of action is for random cop to run into the house and force a confrontation rather that "wait" for back up and negotiators.

Added bonus is he shot 8 bullets.. to take out the bad guy.. Umm hello.. you don't just half empty a clip in rapid fire and expect to get every bullet where you think it's going..

It only took that one bullet to the head to end the life of the girl, whom needed help from a responsible police officer.. Job success! I bet the officer is on "PAID" vacation and then gets his job back after it's found a justifiable shooting with a Opp's my bad..

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by crockett

You just have to wonder how the hell cops get away with this kind of stuff.

It was known that the guy had a gun and was holding it on the girl. He was threatening to kill her, so obviously the best course of action is for random cop to run into the house and force a confrontation rather that "wait" for back up and negotiators.

Added bonus is he shot 8 bullets.. to take out the bad guy.. Umm hello.. you don't just half empty a clip in rapid fire and expect to get every bullet where you think it's going..

It only took that one bullet to the head to end the life of the girl, whom needed help from a responsible police officer.. Job success! I bet the officer is on "PAID" vacation and then gets his job back after it's found a justifiable shooting with a Opp's my bad..

Oh, but nobody is going to think about practical shit that would have saved a life; they
are just going to focus on a criminal existing. As if they are ever going to not exist.

They will pretend that we can just lock up all the criminals without having to catch them
first. Then they will pretend that we don't need to train cops to do it better.

Cops will tell females to "let the purse go", "hand over the money", "don't resist", so
the robber does not kill you; but then they get to the scene and have no such logic
to back off so that you can live.

8 shots, what a fucking moron assed cop.

[TrashyGirl]

Originally Posted by crockett

You just have to wonder how the hell cops get away with this kind of stuff.

It was known that the guy had a gun and was holding it on the girl. He was threatening to kill her, so obviously the best course of action is for random cop to run into the house and force a confrontation rather that "wait" for back up and negotiators.

Added bonus is he shot 8 bullets.. to take out the bad guy.. Umm hello.. you don't just half empty a clip in rapid fire and expect to get every bullet where you think it's going..

It only took that one bullet to the head to end the life of the girl, whom needed help from a responsible police officer.. Job success! I bet the officer is on "PAID" vacation and then gets his job back after it's found a justifiable shooting with a Opp's my bad..

close... he's on "sick leave"

[xNetworx]

Such a pretty girl. Wow

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by crockett

You just have to wonder how the hell cops get away with this kind of stuff.

It was known that the guy had a gun and was holding it on the girl. He was threatening to kill her, so obviously the best course of action is for random cop to run into the house and force a confrontation rather that "wait" for back up and negotiators.

Added bonus is he shot 8 bullets.. to take out the bad guy.. Umm hello.. you don't just half empty a clip in rapid fire and expect to get every bullet where you think it's going..

It only took that one bullet to the head to end the life of the girl, whom needed help from a responsible police officer.. Job success! I bet the officer is on "PAID" vacation and then gets his job back after it's found a justifiable shooting with a Opp's my bad..

how about if the scum bag hadn't been let of jail by a liberal court this would never have happened??? and so think the fucking cop is happy about this? that fucking guy will have nightmare the rest of his life... try and get some connect with reality will ya...

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Oh, but nobody is going to think about practical shit that would have saved a life; they
are just going to focus on a criminal existing. As if they are ever going to not exist.

They will pretend that we can just lock up all the criminals without having to catch them
first. Then they will pretend that we don't need to train cops to do it better.

Cops will tell females to "let the purse go", "hand over the money", "don't resist", so
the robber does not kill you; but then they get to the scene and have no such logic
to back off so that you can live.

8 shots, what a fucking moron assed cop.

cops are trained to unload the gun... that double tap shit you see on TV is just shit you see on TV..

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

how about if the scum bag hadn't been let of jail by a liberal court this would never have happened??? and so think the fucking cop is happy about this? that fucking guy will have nightmare the rest of his life... try and get some connect with reality will ya...

its a dice game you think they can see who is going to shoot or rob somebody?? only people with records commit these kind of crimes

[L-Pink]

‘‘The big question is, how do you know, when someone’s pointing a gun at you, whether you should keep talking to them, or shoot?’’ said Michele Galietta, a professor of psychology at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice who helps train police officers. ‘‘That’s what makes the job of an officer amazingly difficult.’’

A little more detailed article …

http://www.boston.com/news/education...X4M/story.html


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[crockett]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

how about if the scum bag hadn't been let of jail by a liberal court this would never have happened??? and so think the fucking cop is happy about this? that fucking guy will have nightmare the rest of his life... try and get some connect with reality will ya...

How about had he not been able to get easy access to a gun.. Oh yea.. how about that!

[Phoenix]

Poor girl...

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by crockett

How about had he not been able to get easy access to a gun.. Oh yea.. how about that!

Dream world ……

Americans will always have access to any contraband they choose to purchase. Simple fact. No matter what gun laws are passed or not passed criminals will have access to guns.

Do you really thing a war on guns will be more successful than our war on drugs?

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[crockett]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Dream world ……

Americans will always have access to any contraband they choose to purchase. Simple fact. No matter what gun laws are passed or not passed criminals will have access to guns.

Do you really thing a war on guns will be more successful than our war on drugs?

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Full auto machine guns are highly regulated in the US as are things like silencers. It's very rare that people are arrested for illegally owning them.

I've never heard of any mass shootings or popular reported gun crimes in the US where either of these two were used. In fact the only time I can even think of a gun fight in the US where illegal full auto guns were used, was the Waco raid and the infamous California bank robbery that turned into a major fire fight on the streets of north Hollywood, back in the 90's.

Ironically the 2 guys in the Cali case used registered and legally owned automatic rifles. I'm also not even 100% sure that it was ever proven the people in Waco used full auto..

Regardless that's 2 cases and I've yet to dig up a single other reported crime that took place using a legal or illegal full auto gun.

This if nothing else shows that strict regulation on specific gun types DOES work. Meaning if assault rifles were highly regulated same with high cap mags for rifles & pistols, it would help curb their usage in crimes.

Common sense on the other hand, need not apply to the gun debate when you are dealing with the right wing.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by crockett

How about had he not been able to get easy access to a gun.. Oh yea.. how about that!

a rambo knife would do the job as well he already has her in the grasp. bad shit happens. he could make a gun

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

its a dice game you think they can see who is going to shoot or rob somebody?? only people with records commit these kind of crimes

you think this is the guys first crime then? if we were going to bet I would wager he has been arrested several times for violent crimes.. . usually first timers don't break in to a place and hold hostages at gunpoint.. could be wrong though...

and like you say it's a difficult matter to deal with...

when I was looking at death row stats one time almost all the peeps on death row had already done time for 'manslaughter'

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by crockett

How about had he not been able to get easy access to a gun.. Oh yea.. how about that!

guns are easy to get just like heroin and that is completely illegal... be better to keep shit heads in jail that unarm the general population and why should I have my gun taken due to this guys actions?

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by crockett

Full auto machine guns are highly regulated in the US as are things like silencers. It's very rare that people are arrested for illegally owning them.

Jesus man...use your brain.

How the fuck can you get out of a car with a full auto machine gun and walk into a building without the cops being called?

Of COURSE not many crooks use a full auto machine gun. But it isn't because they can't buy one if they really wanted it.

Most crooks use a simple little .38 caliber pistol. A "38 special". Cheap little handgun that isn't made for anything BUT shooting a person with.

Fits right in your pocket. Nobody sees it coming.

Stop reading statistics without using your intelligence to analyze them correctly.

Criminals don't use bazookas either. You think that's because of a "law"?

People don't give a fuck about the "law". The "law" only comes into play when you get arrested. Everytime you go through a yellow light that turns red on you halfway through...you broke the "law".

Snort a line. Take a hit off a joint. Oops, you broke the "law".
Hire a hooker to suck your dick. Drink 2 shots and a beer then drive. Forget to keep your dog's dog tags current.
Forget to put your seatbelt on...you get the picture.

A criminal doesn't know or even care what the "law" is. (hell, there are so many "laws" these days that none of us really know lol)

[crockett]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

a rambo knife would do the job as well he already has her in the grasp. bad shit happens. he could make a gun

Ahh yes.. That's a perfectly reasonable reason that we should all be aloud to have any weapon we want. I mean hell you could probably stab someone to death with a butter knife, so I guess that means right wing logic dictates we should be able to own hand grenades and land mines as well.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by crockett

Full auto machine guns are highly regulated in the US as are things like silencers. It's very rare that people are arrested for illegally owning them.

I've never heard of any mass shootings or popular reported gun crimes in the US where either of these two were used. In fact the only time I can even think of a gun fight in the US where illegal full auto guns were used, was the Waco raid and the infamous California bank robbery that turned into a major fire fight on the streets of north Hollywood, back in the 90's.

Ironically the 2 guys in the Cali case used registered and legally owned automatic rifles. I'm also not even 100% sure that it was ever proven the people in Waco used full auto..

Regardless that's 2 cases and I've yet to dig up a single other reported crime that took place using a legal or illegal full auto gun.

This if nothing else shows that strict regulation on specific gun types DOES work. Meaning if assault rifles were highly regulated same with high cap mags for rifles & pistols, it would help curb their usage in crimes.

Common sense on the other hand, need not apply to the gun debate when you are dealing with the right wing.

I didn't really see any point here??? the guy in this situation didn't have an assault rifle or full auto weapon... how about this... you drink beer? how about you NEVER have another fucking beer because joe asshole killed somebody after he drank a few... that is about as logical as your post, I think any... like I said I didn't really see a point...

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by crockett

Ahh yes.. That's a perfectly reasonable reason that we should all be aloud to have any weapon we want. I mean hell you could probably stab someone to death with a butter knife, so I guess that means right wing logic dictates we should be able to own hand grenades and land mines as well.

you're making comical leaps in supposed logic here.. you might wanna go sleep it off

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Jesus man...use your brain.

How the fuck can you get out of a car with a full auto machine gun and walk into a building without the cops being called?

Of COURSE not many crooks use a full auto machine gun. But it isn't because they can't buy one if they really wanted it.

Most crooks use a simple little .38 caliber pistol. A "38 special". Cheap little handgun that isn't made for anything BUT shooting a person with.

Fits right in your pocket. Nobody sees it coming.

Stop reading statistics without using your intelligence to analyze them correctly.

Criminals don't use bazookas either. You think that's because of a "law"?

People don't give a fuck about the "law". The "law" only comes into play when you get arrested. Everytime you go through a yellow light that turns red on you halfway through...you broke the "law".

Snort a line. Take a hit off a joint. Oops, you broke the "law".
Hire a hooker to suck your dick. Drink 2 shots and a beer then drive. Forget to keep your dog's dog tags current.
Forget to put your seatbelt on...you get the picture.

A criminal doesn't know or even care what the "law" is. (hell, there are so many "laws" these days that none of us really know lol)

You do realize there are full auto pistols right? Even these are not used in crimes even though they can be easily hidden..

Why do you think that is Robbie?

Humm could it because because people don't have "EASY" access to them? Humm might just be..

Why do you think people use pistols so often in crimes Robbie? Humm because they are easy to get and easy to hide.

This once again proves the point that because we don't see full auto hand guns being used in gun crimes in the US, that tough regulation works. You can convert a Glock to full auto and easily attach a silence to it.

Yet we never see full auto Glocks in gun crimes and I can't think of any widely reported gun crime which a silencer was used.. Why is that Robbie? Humm could it be most people don't have the skills or a clue how to convert a Glock to full auto and have no "easy" access to silencers..

Humm once again heavily regulated things seem very rare.. If guns were heavily regulated they would eventually become much harder for criminals to obtain, because they would be.. umm you guessed it "rare".

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

you're making comical leaps in supposed logic here.. you might wanna go sleep it off

You were the one saying What if he made a gun or used a Rambo knife..

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by crockett

You do realize there are full auto pistols right? Even these are not used in crimes even though they can be easily hidden..

No...again you aren't using your head.

Criminals use a 38 special because they are CHEAP. And they are small and the best thing to use for a close up shooting (or just the threat of it). They are easy to get rid of and hard to trace.

Hasn't got a damn thing to do with "laws" or "regulations".

A full auto handgun isn't the best thing to use for a robbery. A 38 is.

Hell, I'm not really sure what the best application for a full automatic handgun (I don't even know if that exists) would be? Military maybe? But even military wouldn't make much sense.

Look, people are going to do whatever they WANT to do. Doesn't matter what "laws" a govt. makes. Never has, never will.

Having said that...yes, if the United States of America magically had NO handguns anywhere...then gun deaths would be gone.
And other forms of killing people would skyrocket.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Robbie

No...again you aren't using your head.

Criminals use a 38 special because they are CHEAP. And they are small and the best thing to use for a close up shooting (or just the threat of it). They are easy to get rid of and hard to trace.

Hasn't got a damn thing to do with "laws" or "regulations".

A full auto handgun isn't the best thing to use for a robbery. A 38 is.

Hell, I'm not really sure what the best application for a full automatic handgun (I don't even know if that exists) would be? Military maybe? But even military wouldn't make much sense.

Look, people are going to do whatever they WANT to do. Doesn't matter what "laws" a govt. makes. Never has, never will.

Having said that...yes, if the United States of America magically had NO handguns anywhere...then gun deaths would be gone.
And other forms of killing people would skyrocket.

your right they dont really use automatic weapons.

[Kephael]

Originally Posted by crockett

Full auto machine guns are highly regulated in the US as are things like silencers. It's very rare that people are arrested for illegally owning them.

I've never heard of any mass shootings or popular reported gun crimes in the US where either of these two were used. In fact the only time I can even think of a gun fight in the US where illegal full auto guns were used, was the Waco raid and the infamous California bank robbery that turned into a major fire fight on the streets of north Hollywood, back in the 90's.

Ironically the 2 guys in the Cali case used registered and legally owned automatic rifles. I'm also not even 100% sure that it was ever proven the people in Waco used full auto..

Regardless that's 2 cases and I've yet to dig up a single other reported crime that took place using a legal or illegal full auto gun.

This if nothing else shows that strict regulation on specific gun types DOES work. Meaning if assault rifles were highly regulated same with high cap mags for rifles & pistols, it would help curb their usage in crimes.

Common sense on the other hand, need not apply to the gun debate when you are dealing with the right wing.

The only time a transferable pre-86 machine gun was used in a crime, I believe it was by someone who was also a law enforcement officer. The firearms at Waco were not pre-86, registered machine guns nor was the case with the North Hollywood bank robbers.

[Matt 26z]

Originally Posted by crockett

I bet the officer is on "PAID" vacation and then gets his job back after it's found a justifiable shooting with a Opp's my bad..

The department's number 1 priority will be keeping thier officer out of criminal trouble. They will claim that his life was in danger, he had to shoot and that anything connected to that is thus the fault of the criminal.

It's like that police gunfight in downtown NYC awhile back where they opened fire on the criminal and hit people walking down the sidewalk. Those cops should have been sent to prison for a very long time for that.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Robbie

No...again you aren't using your head.

Criminals use a 38 special because they are CHEAP. And they are small and the best thing to use for a close up shooting (or just the threat of it). They are easy to get rid of and hard to trace.

Hasn't got a damn thing to do with "laws" or "regulations".

A full auto handgun isn't the best thing to use for a robbery. A 38 is.

Hell, I'm not really sure what the best application for a full automatic handgun (I don't even know if that exists) would be? Military maybe? But even military wouldn't make much sense.

Look, people are going to do whatever they WANT to do. Doesn't matter what "laws" a govt. makes. Never has, never will.

Having said that...yes, if the United States of America magically had NO handguns anywhere...then gun deaths would be gone.
And other forms of killing people would skyrocket.

Full Auto Glock as I mentioned.. This one is built to the hilt with a add on stock and suppressor.



You don't think something like that would be a bit better for doing a drive by than a .38?

Why do you think these aren't used? It's because they cost money to convert, require skills/tools to do the work and automatic guns require federal licence. (ie they aren't easily obtained by criminals)

.38's are a dime a dozen because they are lightly regulated which means they can be produced cheap and are easily obtainable.

Don't you see how changing that by adding tougher regulation and stricter sentences for people caught with illegally obtained guns, would eventually curb the amount of gun violence in this country?

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Kephael

The only time a transferable pre-86 machine gun was used in a crime, I believe it was by someone who was also a law enforcement officer. The firearms at Waco were not pre-86, registered machine guns nor was the case with the North Hollywood bank robbers.

I can't say on Waco on pr 86, but I've read the guns used in the Hollywood robbery were legal.. That being one of he only cases in the US where full auto guns were used in a crime which were legally registered.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by crockett

Full Auto Glock as I mentioned.. This one is built to the hilt with a add on stock and suppressor.



You don't think something like that would be a bit better for doing a drive by than a .38?

Why do you think these aren't used? It's because they cost money to convert, require skills/tools to do the work and automatic guns require federal licence. (ie they aren't easily obtained by criminals)

.38's are a dime a dozen because they are lightly regulated which means they can be produced cheap and are easily obtainable.

Don't you see how changing that by adding tougher regulation and stricter sentences for people caught with illegally obtained guns, would eventually curb the amount of gun violence in this country?

what does this have to do with the article??

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

cops are trained to unload the gun... that double tap shit you see on TV is just shit you see on TV..

Sure, but why not train them to fucking think too?

If being a robot is the goal then you have a point.

[MaDalton]

it's obviously what most people want, otherwise there would be a bigger uproar. and considering the cold comments on here, a human life is not worth much anyways.

just one day it will be someone close to you...

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

just one day it will be someone close to you...

Tragedy can happen anytime it's true. And you never know when a crazy person or a criminal could shoot you.

But it's far more likely someone close to you is going to die in an automobile accident, and if they live long enough it's almost certain they will die of cancer or heart disease (from the foods they ate during their lives).

All this talk about automatic weapons is insane.

This tragedy had nothing to do with automatic weapons, it's about a COP killing the girl....the criminal didn't even do it.

And criminals don't use big machine guns. It's almost always small handguns. Why anti-2nd amendment folks always start screaming about "assault rifles" and "full auto" freakin' machine guns is beyond me.

Criminals use the weapon that works best for the crime.
Now crazy killers like the school shooting? All bets are off on homicidal maniacs. As the Boston incident showed...they can and will use ANYTHING to kill people (bombs).

Interestingly enough....I was watching "Pawn Stars" today and they were looking at some Civil War weapons.
And if you've ever watched that show, you know that they give historical facts about things that they are looking at.
They explained that during the Civil War the Confederacy didn't have the big munitions factories that the Union had. So a lot of their weapons were hand made (that's for those people who think that criminals can't make their own guns).
And before you scoff at "handmade" guns...the guns they were looking at today were a very common weapon used during the Civil War...a 54 Caliber rifle!!! Holy fuck! That would basically cut you in half!

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Tragedy can happen anytime it's true. And you never know when a crazy person or a criminal could shoot you.

But it's far more likely someone close to you is going to die in an automobile accident, and if they live long enough it's almost certain they will die of cancer or heart disease (from the foods they ate during their lives).

All this talk about automatic weapons is insane.

This tragedy had nothing to do with automatic weapons, it's about a COP killing the girl....the criminal didn't even do it.

And criminals don't use big machine guns. It's almost always small handguns. Why anti-2nd amendment folks always start screaming about "assault rifles" and "full auto" freakin' machine guns is beyond me.

Criminals use the weapon that works best for the crime.
Now crazy killers like the school shooting? All bets are off on homicidal maniacs. As the Boston incident showed...they can and will use ANYTHING to kill people (bombs).

Interestingly enough....I was watching "Pawn Stars" today and they were looking at some Civil War weapons.
And if you've ever watched that show, you know that they give historical facts about things that they are looking at.
They explained that during the Civil War the Confederacy didn't have the big munitions factories that the Union had. So a lot of their weapons were hand made (that's for those people who think that criminals can't make their own guns).
And before you scoff at "handmade" guns...the guns they were looking at today were a very common weapon used during the Civil War...a 54 Caliber rifle!!! Holy fuck! That would basically cut you in half!

the government wants to make sure you cant fight back if it comes to war. look at lybia ns syria

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

the government wants to make sure you cant fight back if it comes to war. look at lybia ns syria

I believe that.

And yeah, I've considered that an armed citizenry wouldn't stand a chance against the U.S. military too. But at the same time...the "Military" is just a bunch of fathers, sons, mothers, daughters, and family of that same armed citizenry.
Whether they would actually obey orders and kill their own families and neighbors is debatable I would think.

But I think it still makes the govt. nervous to think that citizens are armed.

That's the only thing I can think of when it comes to full auto weapons.
The cops don't want citizens (or criminals) to be able to match them in firepower because then they could "lose".

[Rochard]

If she was armed she could have shot the cop to protect herself!

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Rochard

If she was armed she could have shot the cop to protect herself!

I know you're being funny...but in reality, IF you try to protect yourself from a cop...they shoot you dead.

Something needs to be done about it for sure. Cops need to be reigned in. As it stands now, they can do anything they want to you. Yeah, you can fight them in court later (and keep in mind that these cops are all friends and co-workers with the judges and prosecutors)...but when a cop confronts you on the street, you are at their mercy.

And it's becoming more and more common for them to take full advantage of that.

Last night, for instance, I was going out to have some drinks and I saw 2 cop cars and a motorcycle cop pulled over by a Walgreens. All of them had their lights going.

Three vehicles. Five cops. This must be something BIG!!!!

Nope, it was an old guy who was so drunk he could barely stand up.

So it took 5 cops and three vehicles to apprehend this elderly public drunk.
Thank God it wasn't a soccer mom speeding in a mini-van. That usually requires half the police force with weapons drawn.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Tragedy can happen anytime it's true. And you never know when a crazy person or a criminal could shoot you.

But it's far more likely someone close to you is going to die in an automobile accident, and if they live long enough it's almost certain they will die of cancer or heart disease (from the foods they ate during their lives).

All this talk about automatic weapons is insane.

This tragedy had nothing to do with automatic weapons, it's about a COP killing the girl....the criminal didn't even do it.

And criminals don't use big machine guns. It's almost always small handguns. Why anti-2nd amendment folks always start screaming about "assault rifles" and "full auto" freakin' machine guns is beyond me.

Criminals use the weapon that works best for the crime.
Now crazy killers like the school shooting? All bets are off on homicidal maniacs. As the Boston incident showed...they can and will use ANYTHING to kill people (bombs).

Interestingly enough....I was watching "Pawn Stars" today and they were looking at some Civil War weapons.
And if you've ever watched that show, you know that they give historical facts about things that they are looking at.
They explained that during the Civil War the Confederacy didn't have the big munitions factories that the Union had. So a lot of their weapons were hand made (that's for those people who think that criminals can't make their own guns).
And before you scoff at "handmade" guns...the guns they were looking at today were a very common weapon used during the Civil War...a 54 Caliber rifle!!! Holy fuck! That would basically cut you in half!

The point I was making with the fully auto guns has gone right over your head and right out the door.

The point was to show that they are highly regulated and "hard" to get. Hence they are not used in crimes. If all guns were regulated in the same manor, then it would also be much harder for criminals to get them.

The key to stopping the insane amount of gun violence in this country is stricter regulations and much tougher stance on people caught with out legal guns.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Rochard

If she was armed she could have shot the cop to protect herself!

sure

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by crockett

The point I was making with the fully auto guns has gone right over your head and right out the door.

The point was to show that they are highly regulated and "hard" to get. Hence they are not used in crimes. If all guns were regulated in the same manor, then it would also be much harder for criminals to get them.

The key to stopping the insane amount of gun violence in this country is stricter regulations and much tougher stance on people caught with out legal guns.

And my rebuttal to your stance is that the regulations on the weapons you are talking about have nothing to do with criminals using them. Criminals use what works BEST and costs the least.

Are there less machine guns in the U.S. than 38 specials? Of course there are. Is it because of laws and regulations? Maybe. Or maybe it has a little more to do with the fact that machine guns (and of course the ammo for them) are VERY expensive. Has little to do with regulations.

A Ferrari is far more expensive than a Ford Focus too. And there are a lot more Fords than Ferrari's. Nothing to do with laws and regulations.
And if you were going to rob a bank you definitely wouldn't drive a Ferrari to do it even if you could afford it. You would instantly be arrested because it stands out like a sore thumb.

Same with guns.
I shoot you with a common 38 and it's gonna be almost impossible to trace that bullet.
But let me do it with a rare machine gun (like Rambo lol) and they will be able to trace that back very quickly...not because of the law, but because the weaponry is so expensive and uncommon.

The "stricter regulations" and "tougher stance" (whatever that means) does little more than give the govt. even more power over it's citizens. And makes it harder for law abiding people to purchase a gun.
It won't do anything to stop a criminal from getting any weapon that he needs to accomplish what he wants to do.

And again...your whole agenda in this thread has absolutely nothing to do with this tragedy. A girl was shot to death by a COP. No machine guns were used.

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Originally Posted by Rochard

If she was armed she could have shot the cop to protect herself!

If she was armed she could have shot the suspect before the cop got there to protect herself.


There, fixed it for you.

[Google Expert]

Originally Posted by crockett

How about had he not been able to get easy access to a gun.. Oh yea.. how about that!

When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.