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As for your previous commentary on porn hub, etc. It would seem they are doing a good job of slowly destroying themselves. No entity can continue to make enemies at the rate the porn tube sites are without eventually suffering serious reprocussions. As for pornhub, They picked a city to do business in that has some very old world minded players. Considering I am old enough to have gone to secondaire with many of the fathers (and even grandfathers) of some today's players. Let me say I am not involved in anything and that I only worry about my little corner of the world. But I often hear things that I know most others are unaware of. Bref the oldest profession in the world bankrolls a lot of people. No one can keep lowering the value of a woman selling her ass by offering a free stay at home and jerk off service. When the women start complaining that the men are not coming to them anymore. Sooner or later someone is going to try and fix the problem. We will see what happens. It promises to be an interesting show. |
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That's all fine and well but the determination of what is "seriously" and what is "most likely" harmful to minors is subjective -- legislating a moral issue like "pornography" in a freedom of expression context is going to be up to the member states. Germany or the UK may take one approach to defining the content and its restrictions and places like the Netherlands may take another approach. |
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We, the adult sites, do not need kids as viewers, since they do not buy anything and make us no money, that's instead a cost in bandwidth, we would like to save.
Let the parents be not the ones responsible to monitor their kids, but instead the web sites not to provide any porn ever unless an "not existing global adult validation system standard" is applied? So then have governments adopt an internationally standardised and meaningful adult validation system, where every ISP of every country, operating systems and browser vendors and so on, would cooperate with local governments, councils, to make some pin password access given only to verified adults (verified by local authorities like a drivers license or social security does) or other opt-in, opt-out system which the governments would be responsible for to keep working. |
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It doens't matter what your opinion on what is harmful is. What matters is the politicians' who make such rules. |
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However unilateral regulation will not do that. Kids will just get their free porn from non EU websites. :2 cents: |
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You took it in the wrong context; the EU says then the member states do (their politicians interpret). Quote:
This same point was made in the US CDA, COPA and the USC18 §2257 cases also -- the jurisdiction is limited. To a certain degree there will end up being different levels of enforcement in different venues. |
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So I suppose that makes you the man we should all be learning from. |
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Edit: 50 changing laws. |
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What the regulations actually do is make running an adult business virtually impossible if you want to compete and actually make money. :2 cents: |
I'd like to know what does constitute an effective age verification system according to ofcom/atvod, I can't find any recommendations apart from changing to non-explicit material only on tours.
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Technical tools which may be acceptable for age verification purposes include: Confirmation of credit card ownership or other form of payment where mandatory proof that the holder is 18 or over is required prior to issue. A reputable personal digital identity management service which uses checks on an independent and reliable database, such as the electoral roll. Other comparable proof of account ownership which effectively verifies age |
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The problem with credit cards as age verification is how do you prove that the person using the card is the actual owner of it? Someone who is under 18 years old could grab a credit card of one of their parents or an older friend. The difference with the laws against underage people drinking alcohol is that if a kid walks in to a liquor store and tries to buy alcohol, the person at the counter would know something is wrong because they can see what the person looks like. This heavily cuts down on underage people buying alcohol. A teenager could pass for 21 but it would be extremely unlikely that a 10 year old could make someone else think they are 21.
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And they decide what that actually means. |
This could be a good thing especially if other governments were to follow suit and implement similar laws. There is no need at all for us as affiliates to be giving away full length hardcore videos for free. Sales can be made from much tamer promo material even non nude stuff. I know as I have been making sales this way for 15 years! If the good shit was saved for the paywalls then our sales would be much higher than they are. Im in favour of anything that makes it harder for tubes to dish out thousands of hours of free video to all and sundry.
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Instead I will simply agree with you and add that not having nudity in the promotional material tends to sell more units of the video. And that little black dot/star over the gentials and penetration causes sales to increase expotentially. From a business perspective a manditory age verification system is a dream come true. From an old school pornographer perspective... Age verification should have been done years ago because it keeps not only children out but also a lot of other human garbage. Bref, Europeans will find a way to impliment it in all 27 nations in some format or another. But the big problem remains the United States. A solution needs to be discouvered for the fuck everyone attitude. Quote:
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There is no reliable age verification the the US 3rd Circuit Appeals Court found |
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And from your story about buying porn mags when you were younger you are simply proving the point that restricting supply increases demand. The fact that we all remember a society where everything was a lot less sexualized (never mind swamped with free internet porn) only served to increase your desire to get hold of some porn ! :2 cents: |
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I don't expect the laws to protect my profits. |
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You are very very correct my friend. I could not have explained this better. |
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Age Verification is up to the parents, porn cause 0 harm to anyone viewing it period. I dont think kids should be looking at it but a Age Verification system on affiliate sites are a joke, the internet is about freedom.
To suggest this will help out in anything is retarded, to disagree would be ridiculous and your reply would only serve to show to your own stupidity. |
I suggest to run sites from orbital space station or other extraterrestial location.
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Perhaps it is time to get rid of the bouncer at the strip bar because the parents can take over now. Or since television broadcast equipment real cheap these days. Perhaps someone should just start broadcasting porn and selling commercial spots.? You say porn cases no harm but you obviously are not seeing what I see on a daily basis. In the last year I have had gorgeous musculer men that could easily be models walk come in to my office looking to become porn acteurs. But their penis will not get hard.. I have seen more dysfunctional penis in 2012 than I have seen in my entire 40 year career as a pornographer. I have also had many women come in to my office... Most look like either famine victims or like morbidly obeese elephants.In both the men and women they all share several common traits.
I support age verification and if that makes me stupid than I guess I am stupid. |
so what's that, $250k in a period of a month in fines
when every child in their right mind could just go to any tube site to see anything they want? when does it become less about protecting children, and more about using children to fun 'make work' projects |
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Nor does saying "what about free porn tubes" an allowable defense. In fact those who have been charged by atvod have found out the uttering these reasonable arguments have only made things worse. |
Like every law, it only hurts the law abiding as the outlaws don't give a fuck. I remember going through our 2257 to get it in perfect order when a few months later all these girlfriend sites & revenge sites started popping up. My point is, until they slap the rules on the tubes & forums it's only going to drive this industry into an even bigger pile of shit.
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So is this for websites hosted in the UK only, or for people running a website from the UK? Even if their hosting is in other parts of Europe/USA?
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