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epitome 02-04-2013 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by johnnyloadproductions (Post 19458747)
And if you read more, and remembered more, than you post you'd see he came here to observe and offer his perspective on all the piracy.

He's been around longer than you have.
I wonder if I've figured it out... do you have a fetish for the decrepit? :1orglaugh

Edit: 50 changing laws.

NewNick 02-04-2013 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by pornopete (Post 19460941)
That's great news!
The op may be correct that regulation (and policing of the regulation ) is changing for UK and more generally EU adult businesses, but to say it is illegal to run a business is not correct.

What the regulations actually do is make running an adult business virtually impossible if you want to compete and actually make money.

:2 cents:

sojproductions 02-04-2013 03:44 AM
I'd like to know what does constitute an effective age verification system according to ofcom/atvod, I can't find any recommendations apart from changing to non-explicit material only on tours.

NewNick 02-04-2013 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by sojproductions (Post 19461010)
I'd like to know what does constitute an effective age verification system according to ofcom/atvod, I can't find any recommendations apart from changing to non-explicit material only on tours.
You cannot show any adult content until you have successfully shown your viewer to be over 18 by one of the following mechanisms.

Technical tools which may be acceptable for age verification purposes include:

 Confirmation of credit card ownership or other form of payment where mandatory
proof that the holder is 18 or over is required prior to issue.


 A reputable personal digital identity management service which uses checks on an
independent and reliable database, such as the electoral roll.

 Other comparable proof of account ownership which effectively verifies age

sojproductions 02-04-2013 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 19461015)
You cannot show any adult content until you have successfully shown your viewer to be over 18 by one of the following mechanisms.

Technical tools which may be acceptable for age verification purposes include:

 Confirmation of credit card ownership or other form of payment where mandatory
proof that the holder is 18 or over is required prior to issue.


 A reputable personal digital identity management service which uses checks on an
independent and reliable database, such as the electoral roll.

 Other comparable proof of account ownership which effectively verifies age
So soft tours / promo material is the only viable option for UK based business in reality. But again, UK based is a loose term, eg if a company has offshore hosting, editing, publishing and billing but produces in the UK which I know of many that do, are they liable for regulation. I have had discussions with ATVOD and it was very difficult to get a definitive answer.

Jamie Gardner 02-04-2013 05:05 AM
The problem with credit cards as age verification is how do you prove that the person using the card is the actual owner of it? Someone who is under 18 years old could grab a credit card of one of their parents or an older friend. The difference with the laws against underage people drinking alcohol is that if a kid walks in to a liquor store and tries to buy alcohol, the person at the counter would know something is wrong because they can see what the person looks like. This heavily cuts down on underage people buying alcohol. A teenager could pass for 21 but it would be extremely unlikely that a 10 year old could make someone else think they are 21.

scottybuzz 02-04-2013 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Jamie Gardner (Post 19461061)
The problem with credit cards as age verification is how do you prove that the person using the card is the actual owner of it? Someone who is under 18 years old could grab a credit card of one of their parents or an older friend. The difference with the laws against underage people drinking alcohol is that if a kid walks in to a liquor store and tries to buy alcohol, the person at the counter would know something is wrong because they can see what the person looks like. This heavily cuts down on underage people buying alcohol. A teenager could pass for 21 but it would be extremely unlikely that a 10 year old could make someone else think they are 21.
yep exactly and on the flip side a kid can take a credit card off their parents and buy booze online.

NewNick 02-04-2013 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by sojproductions (Post 19461050)
So soft tours / promo material is the only viable option for UK based business in reality. But again, UK based is a loose term, eg if a company has offshore hosting, editing, publishing and billing but produces in the UK which I know of many that do, are they liable for regulation. I have had discussions with ATVOD and it was very difficult to get a definitive answer.
Editorial control is the key phrase.

And they decide what that actually means.

bellskids 02-04-2013 07:31 AM
This could be a good thing especially if other governments were to follow suit and implement similar laws. There is no need at all for us as affiliates to be giving away full length hardcore videos for free. Sales can be made from much tamer promo material even non nude stuff. I know as I have been making sales this way for 15 years! If the good shit was saved for the paywalls then our sales would be much higher than they are. Im in favour of anything that makes it harder for tubes to dish out thousands of hours of free video to all and sundry.

notinmybackyard 02-04-2013 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by bellskids (Post 19461209)
Sales can be made from much tamer promo material even non nude stuff. I know as I have been making sales this way for 15 years!
My opinion on those that do not actually fuck or produce is well noted in other sections of this forum. So there is no use in restating it.

Instead I will simply agree with you and add that not having nudity in the promotional material tends to sell more units of the video. And that little black dot/star over the gentials and penetration causes sales to increase expotentially.

From a business perspective a manditory age verification system is a dream come true.
From an old school pornographer perspective... Age verification should have been done years ago because it keeps not only children out but also a lot of other human garbage.

Bref,
Europeans will find a way to impliment it in all 27 nations in some format or another. But the big problem remains the United States. A solution needs to be discouvered for the fuck everyone attitude.


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Originally Posted by epitome (Post 19460859)
do you have a fetish for the decrepit? :1orglaugh
You can get old without being decrepit. And respecting others should never be conditional on how young or old they are. Rest confident that my penis is like an old Timex watch, it takes its licking and keeps on ticking. Which is a hell of a lot more than I can say for most under 30 year old male talent entering my office these days.

Barry-xlovecam 02-04-2013 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by notinmybackyard (Post 19461248)
[ B]ut the big problem remains the United States. A solution needs to be discouvered for the fuck everyone attitude. ...
There is no reliable age verification the the US 3rd Circuit Appeals Court found

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On March 22, 2007, U.S. District Judge Lowell A. Reed, Jr. once again struck down the Child Online Protection Act,[7] finding the law facially in violation of the First and Fifth Amendments of the United States Constitution. In addition to the plaintiffs ACLU et al., several witnesses testified in defense of first amendment rights on the Internet, including the director of the Erotic Authors Association, Marilyn Jaye Lewis.[8] Reed issued an order permanently enjoining the government from enforcing COPA, commenting that "perhaps we do the minors of this country harm if First Amendment protections, which they will with age inherit fully, are chipped away in the name of their protection."[9] The government again appealed, and the case was heard before the Third Circuit.[10]

On July 22, 2008, the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the 2007 decision.[11][12]

On January 21, 2009, the United States Supreme Court refused to hear appeals of the lower court decision, effectively killing the bill.[13][14]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_O...Protection_Act
So, it is a matter of politically correct and self preserving behavior now -- some sort of enter/exit screen to prevent accidental exposure to explicit content.

As an aside; In the late 1960s I was buying men's magazines over-the-counter when I was 14 and getting Danish nudie mags by mail order -- I just bought a money order. So, don't deceive yourself as to the effectiveness of this -- if minors want porn they will get some somehow.

The inglorious past is not relevant ... Since the internet, we live in a new world -- the cat is out of the bag.

NewNick 02-04-2013 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19461318)
There is no reliable age verification the the US 3rd Circuit Appeals Court found



So, it is a matter of politically correct and self preserving behavior now -- some sort of enter/exit screen to prevent accidental exposure to explicit content.

As an aside; In the late 1960s I was buying men's magazines over-the-counter when I was 14 and getting Danish nudie mags by mail order -- I just bought a money order. So, don't deceive yourself as to the effectiveness of this -- if minors want porn they will get some somehow.

The inglorious past is not relevant ... Since the internet, we live in a new world -- the cat is out of the bag.
The fact that some find ways to circumnavigate the age restrictions is irrelevant. It s the same argument that the pro piracy types use. "You will never stop it completely so you should not try".

And from your story about buying porn mags when you were younger you are simply proving the point that restricting supply increases demand. The fact that we all remember a society where everything was a lot less sexualized (never mind swamped with free internet porn) only served to increase your desire to get hold of some porn !

:2 cents:

Barry-xlovecam 02-04-2013 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 19462063)
The fact that some find ways to circumnavigate the age restrictions is irrelevant. It s the same argument that the pro piracy types use. "You will never stop it completely so you should not try".

And from your story about buying porn mags when you were younger you are simply proving the point that restricting supply increases demand. The fact that we all remember a society where everything was a lot less sexualized (never mind swamped with free internet porn) only served to increase your desire to get hold of some porn !

:2 cents:
I don't expect the laws to protect my profits.

I also think that not being the cause of my own problems is generally a good idea.

I really don't want to live in my past ... been there done that ...

notinmybackyard 02-04-2013 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 19462063)
The fact that some find ways to circumnavigate the age restrictions is irrelevant. It s the same argument that the pro piracy types use. "You will never stop it completely so you should not try".

And from your story about buying porn mags when you were younger you are simply proving the point that restricting supply increases demand. The fact that we all remember a society where everything was a lot less sexualized (never mind swamped with free internet porn) only served to increase your desire to get hold of some porn !

:2 cents:

You are very very correct my friend. I could not have explained this better.

Best-In-BC 02-04-2013 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by pornopete (Post 19461004)
Not make it illegal, make it so that a credit card is required for porn is great.
not at all

Best-In-BC 02-04-2013 10:39 AM
Age Verification is up to the parents, porn cause 0 harm to anyone viewing it period. I dont think kids should be looking at it but a Age Verification system on affiliate sites are a joke, the internet is about freedom.

To suggest this will help out in anything is retarded, to disagree would be ridiculous and your reply would only serve to show to your own stupidity.

adultmobile 02-04-2013 11:39 AM
I suggest to run sites from orbital space station or other extraterrestial location.

notinmybackyard 02-04-2013 03:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Best-In-BC (Post 19463048)
Age Verification is up to the parents, porn cause 0 harm to anyone viewing it period. I dont think kids should be looking at it but a Age Verification system on affiliate sites are a joke, the internet is about freedom.

To suggest this will help out in anything is retarded, to disagree would be ridiculous and your reply would only serve to show to your own stupidity.
To answer the first part of your commentary
Perhaps it is time to get rid of the bouncer at the strip bar because the parents can take over now. Or since television broadcast equipment real cheap these days. Perhaps someone should just start broadcasting porn and selling commercial spots.?

You say porn cases no harm but you obviously are not seeing what I see on a daily basis.

In the last year I have had gorgeous musculer men that could easily be models walk come in to my office looking to become porn acteurs.
But their penis will not get hard..
Or they can not keep it hard for more then 10 minutes...
Or they ejaculate in less than 5 minutes (often soft)...
Or they have penis less than 4 inches long...

I have seen more dysfunctional penis in 2012 than I have seen in my entire 40 year career as a pornographer.

I have also had many women come in to my office...
Most look like either famine victims or like morbidly obeese elephants.
These same girls are willing to stick their heads in a microwave while allowing a dozen stray dogs gang bang her in the ass in exchange for a little bit of attention. But they bring as much "heat" to a sex scene as a naked barbie doll in the back of a freezer.
In both the men and women they all share several common traits.
  • 1. All under 30 years of age
  • 2. All social morons
  • 3. All of them found my contact information by (illegally) downloading one of my videos.

I support age verification and if that makes me stupid than I guess I am stupid.

_Richard_ 02-04-2013 03:42 PM
so what's that, $250k in a period of a month in fines

when every child in their right mind could just go to any tube site to see anything they want?

when does it become less about protecting children, and more about using children to fun 'make work' projects

NewNick 02-04-2013 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19464404)
so what's that, $250k in a period of a month in fines

when every child in their right mind could just go to any tube site to see anything they want?

when does it become less about protecting children, and more about using children to fun 'make work' projects
Yes but the hypocracy of the situation does not save you from the fines........

Nor does saying "what about free porn tubes" an allowable defense. In fact those who have been charged by atvod have found out the uttering these reasonable arguments have only made things worse.

Major (Tom) 02-04-2013 08:50 PM
Like every law, it only hurts the law abiding as the outlaws don't give a fuck. I remember going through our 2257 to get it in perfect order when a few months later all these girlfriend sites & revenge sites started popping up. My point is, until they slap the rules on the tubes & forums it's only going to drive this industry into an even bigger pile of shit.
Ds

Porndex 02-04-2013 09:34 PM
So is this for websites hosted in the UK only, or for people running a website from the UK? Even if their hosting is in other parts of Europe/USA?


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