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Old 01-30-2013, 03:35 PM   #101
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Not only did MSNBC grossly edit this footage, they are now doing everything they can to remove the edited version from the web.

They completely changed the story to suit an agenda. And it couldn't have been more obvious after seeing both videos.
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I reckon about 8500 Americans a year regret they didn't live in Europe.
In 1939 I reckon there were several million Europeans who wish they lived in the USA.
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Not only did MSNBC grossly edit this footage, they are now doing everything they can to remove the edited version from the web.

They completely changed the story to suit an agenda. And it couldn't have been more obvious after seeing both videos.
Just another day at the office for the mainstream media. That's all they are nowadays - agenda driven. They don't report news anymore. They create it.
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He used the assault rifle..
I Havnt seen even one report of him using a m16
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what freedom did these kids or anyone else who is a victim of gun violence have? in those cases guns were used to take away freedom. you know what they say, if you live by the sword, you'll die by the sword.
Those types of tragedies barely ever happen. Out of all the millions of people who own guns... how many of them go around shooting innocent children? Like .000000000001% of them. Get real.
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Not only did MSNBC grossly edit this footage, they are now doing everything they can to remove the edited version from the web.

They completely changed the story to suit an agenda. And it couldn't have been more obvious after seeing both videos.
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NRA has blood of innocent children on their hands, are you people blind ?
How many children has the NRA killed? And how is the NRA not in jail right now?
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NRA stands up for our constitutional rights and people bash them and act like they are responsible for the actions of some demented individual... the logic is so ridiculous it's not even funny...
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As for the registration, it boggles my mind this isn't a federal requirement. My father died in Vietnam and he left behind a number of handguns. Forty-five years alter no one in my family can tell me what happened to them. That's scary.
By your own admission you and your family are irresponsible and should not be allowed to own any firearms.
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NRA stands up for our constitutional rights and people bash them and act like they are responsible for the actions of some demented individual... the logic is so ridiculous it's not even funny...
They don't stand up for constitutional rights , they stand for gun sales. Nothing more nothing less.
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In response to repeated attacks on the Second Amendment rights, NRA formed the Legislative Affairs Division in 1934. While NRA did not lobby directly at this time, it did mail out legislative facts and analyses to members, whereby they could take action on their own. In 1975, recognizing the critical need for political defense of the Second Amendment, NRA formed the Institute for Legislative Action, or ILA.
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Actually, if you look back through the thread, you will see that this whole thing is actually untrue. he was interacting with the crowd. There was no heckling, and the premise of this thread is false.

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Not only did MSNBC grossly edit this footage, they are now doing everything they can to remove the edited version from the web.

They completely changed the story to suit an agenda. And it couldn't have been more obvious after seeing both videos.
Yep and good ol' GrantMercury has now disappeared from the thread.

Once again the liberal media have edited a video to fool the American people and push an agenda.

It's fucking crazy.

And not one person on the left is raising their voice against this kind of bullshit.

Where are you GrantMercury?
Don't you think the title of this thread should be: "Left Wing Sicko Liars Try To Mislead The American People Again" ?
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Also kinda funny how I always hear the howling about how biased Fox News is.

But this is just one of many videos that NBC has edited and tried to push a liberal agenda with and then had to back down and apologize.

Fox News has NEVER done that!

Why don't liberals complain about NBC?
The answer is because they are hypocrites.

Thank goodness that none of the news channels is a puppet of the Libertarian Party.
My party is clean. You Repubs and especially you Dems are so dirty and hypocritical that it's ridiculous.
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You Repubs and especially you Dems are so dirty and hypocritical that it's ridiculous.
Of course, all they care about is "reppin their team" at all costs.
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By your own admission you and your family are irresponsible and should not be allowed to own any firearms.
Incorrect. My family in the past has been irresponsible - namely my mother who legally owned the firearms. She claims she doesn't have them, My brother claims he knew nothing about them, and my step father (long since divorced from my mother) claims he doesn't have them either. It's entirely possible that she left them behind when she sold the house; She left most of the furniture behind when she moved cross country days after the divorce was final. No one is even sure how many fire arms there was - three or four is my guess.

Doesn't matter much I guess. Anyone can get a firearm and no one tracks anything, so it doesn't matter at all.
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They don't stand up for constitutional rights , they stand for gun sales. Nothing more nothing less.
Exactly right.
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Americans are addicted to fear.
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This is true, unfortunately. The Police are the biggest street gang in the USA.
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GrantMercury - You might have better results if you don't make posts that include things like the quotes below.

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Also, you might try to identify trolls and not feed them. Not to mention people who mindlessly regurgitate far-right thinking points. You'll never get through to either group.
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Grant doesn't appear to be the sharpest knife in the drawer...
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Actually, if you look back through the thread, you will see that this whole thing is actually untrue. he was interacting with the crowd. There was no heckling, and the premise of this thread is false.

Just FYI

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And just for fun and factuality, I'll quote this a second time.
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so having his kid die makes him any less of a douchbag ?
Loser comment buddy
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Great point and nothing but the truth
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GrantMercury - You might have better results if you don't make posts that include things like the quotes below.
I do like to have substantive conversations. I lose patients sometimes, though. Particularly when it comes to meaningful subjects.

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I think you're spot-on.
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was working late till I read this thread and now Im just disappointed with people in general. Sad is the only word to describe this. Life, business, money dont matter without our children and family. This man lost his family and so did many others. Edited or not it's sad and he should not be called a douchebag or an actor as I read all over youtube. Disappointing
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It does seem this video, which was the subject of this post, was misleadingly edited. It was very irresponsible journalism. Shameful.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/did-the-m...d-by-gun-nuts/

Sorry.
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It does seem this video, which was the subject of this post, was misleadingly edited. It was very irresponsible journalism. Shameful.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/did-the-m...d-by-gun-nuts/

Sorry.
You're surprised? This is the mainstream media we are talking about, the same 3 or 4 corporations control the whole shit and they have an agenda... get a clue already...
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You're surprised? This is the mainstream media we are talking about, the same 3 or 4 corporations control the whole shit and they have an agenda...
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It does seem this video, which was the subject of this post, was misleadingly edited. It was very irresponsible journalism. Shameful.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/did-the-m...d-by-gun-nuts/

Sorry.
Thank you for acknowledging that.
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Ok. So, what exactly do you think their "agenda" is?
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Thank you for acknowledging that.
Credit to Grant for not doubling down or disappearing when presented with contradictory information. A lot of people on this board and IRL do exactly that.
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Credit to Grant for not doubling down or disappearing when presented with contradictory information. A lot of people on this board and IRL do exactly that.
Yep, he showed class.
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Going a little further...

On occasion, I've presented Grant with documented contradictory information and he has been willing to accept that info.

I can say that has NEVER happened with the far right-wingers on this board. They just disappear from the discussion or change the subject. It's exactly like trying to have a rational conversation with a religious fundamentalist. No new information has a chance of getting inside that bubble.
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It does seem this video, which was the subject of this post, was misleadingly edited. It was very irresponsible journalism. Shameful.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/did-the-m...d-by-gun-nuts/

Sorry.
thats Ok man. yellow journalism dates back to the invention of the printing press. its pretty well known by now that MSNBC is nothing more then the left wing version of fox news. I mean, they gave al sharpton a show for crying out loud.

The greatness of the interwebs is you can now get a variety of sources with different angles. but the progressive mind must be wary of selecting only outlets that conform to ones political persuasions. Both ideologies have deep thinkers if you seek them out.

one of my former friends attacks fox mercilously while he watches endless doses of MSNBC. But he claims he has no more love for dems then repubs. I LOL when he speaks this way.
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A Father's Plea: Make the debate over guns worthy of our son

Wednesday?s Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on gun violence is the latest in a series of events following the Dec. 14shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School. Our 7-year-old son, Daniel, 19 of his first-grade classmates and six educators were killed in the tragedy.

We believe this hearing is an opportunity to rise above the hard-line rhetoric and intransigence that too often lead to inaction and hopelessness, and we hope that our leaders and our nation will start a new conversation with a chance of achieving real change.

Our Daniel was a constant source of laughter and joy. He was intelligent, articulate, incredibly affectionate, fair, thoughtful toward others and unfailingly polite. Daniel believed in holding doors open for strangers. He talked to the person sitting alone. He loved to help clean up a mess, and he made sure there was enough milk for everyone before adding it to his cereal.

His kindergarten teacher recently wrote to us: ?He is the kind of student that should come wrapped in ribbon because he is a gift to his teachers. I can remember leaving notes for our substitute to ?ask Daniel? if she or he needed help with anything.?

Motivated by Daniel?s empathy and kindness, one of our relatives created a Facebook page, ?What Would Daniel Do?,? to inspire others to reach out as our youngest son did.

As lawmakers and others discuss what can be done to curb gun violence, we hope Americans will ask, What would Daniel do?

Daniel would listen and be respectful. Our country needs a new dialogue, one that doesn?t follow the tired script of political squabbling. Any improvement to our laws, no matter how small or reasonable, should not be decried as the forward wave of an attempt to ?ban guns? or ?take away rights.? Even those of us who have lost the most are suggesting no such thing.

Daniel would be honest. We know that there are no easy answers to these multifaceted issues. Anyone who suggests that a single law would ?solve the problem? isn?t telling the truth. But neither is anyone who says that changes in our laws can?t make a difference.

Daniel wouldn?t give up hope. We refuse to accept the status quo. Making our society safer will require sustained, comprehensive action by individuals as well as by communities and government.

As parents, there is nothing more important to us than our relationship with our children. Every parent can start right there, in their own home. On a broader level, it is urgent that we address the gaps in our mental health system and examine school security.

We must have the same open dialogue about gun responsibility and accountability. The parental desire to love and protect our children is common ground for gun owners and non-gun owners alike.

We have joined with other families, neighbors and friends in making the Sandy Hook Promise (www.sandyhookpromise.org). We hope every member of Congress and Americans nationwide will join us in pledging to honor the lives lost last month by coming together to end these violent tragedies.

Our Daniel wanted to be a fireman like his uncles. He played drums in our family band, and he could run like the wind. Until Dec. 14, Daniel?s future was limited only by the size of his dreams.

Our son?s future was stolen from him: There will be no firehouse, no more rock band, no Boston Marathon.

But if our nation uses this moment to make the future brighter for other children, Daniel?s life and the lives of his classmates and educators will have meaning for years to come.

Our nation?s ability to deal with gun violence is limited only by the civility of our discourse, the scope of our ambitions and ? as Daniel would have done ? our willingness to come together and take action.
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Those types of tragedies barely ever happen. Out of all the millions of people who own guns... how many of them go around shooting innocent children? Like .000000000001% of them. Get real.
"or anyone who is a victim of gun violence"..which happens every single day.
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Yep his rights were take away but that's ok to many.
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Also kinda funny how I always hear the howling about how biased Fox News is.

But this is just one of many videos that NBC has edited and tried to push a liberal agenda with and then had to back down and apologize.

Fox News has NEVER done that!

Why don't liberals complain about NBC?
The answer is because they are hypocrites.

Thank goodness that none of the news channels is a puppet of the Libertarian Party.
My party is clean. You Repubs and especially you Dems are so dirty and hypocritical that it's ridiculous.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tu...rotest-footage
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/01...falsely/192386
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/201...d-by-fox-news/
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2011/09...all-for/181254
yep fox doesnt do that. lol once news became a profit center it all turned to shit
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Yep his rights were take away but that's ok to many.
the unintelligent often make laws based on emotion.

please don't expect the intelligent to follow your lead.
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Heckled or Not Heckled? MSNBC is Looking into Selective Editing, Other Nets Too

MSNBC is facing criticism today about the editing of a portion of the legislative hearing on guns in Hartford, CT earlier this week. Neil Heslin, the father of a Sandy Hook Elementary school shooting victim, was speaking before a committee at which local citizens, including gun rights advocates, attended. MSNBC portrayed a portion of the clip ? toward the end of Heslin?s 15 minutes of testimony ? as though he was being heckled. The 33-second clip aired on Tamron Hall?s show, Martin Bashir?s show and later on Al Sharpton?s show. Here it is:
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/...ts-too_b164867
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Actually, if you look back through the thread, you will see that this whole thing is actually untrue. he was interacting with the crowd. There was no heckling, and the premise of this thread is false.




Just FYI


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Also kinda funny how I always hear the howling about how biased Fox News is.

But this is just one of many videos that NBC has edited and tried to push a liberal agenda with and then had to back down and apologize.

Fox News has NEVER done that!

Why don't liberals complain about NBC?
The answer is because they are hypocrites.

Thank goodness that none of the news channels is a puppet of the Libertarian Party.
My party is clean. You Repubs and especially you Dems are so dirty and hypocritical that it's ridiculous.
You don't work for FOX nor do you now anybody in a high level that works for FOX so you can't say what they NEVER have done.

However, it is very ridiculous that nbc would doctor footage like that.....I as a liberal think it's wrong.
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You don't work for FOX nor do you now anybody in a high level that works for FOX so you can't say what they NEVER have done.

However, it is very ridiculous that nbc would doctor footage like that.....I as a liberal think it's wrong.
And I as a very, very far left of the Democrat party social liberal (unless they decide to make prostitution and drugs legal) also think it's not only wrong...but a deliberate attempt to change our country to fit their ideas.

Am I crazy to just want the "news" to report stuff instead of trying to make shit up and create news?
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