It will soon be illegal to run even an adult affiliate site from the UK without age verification

[cordoba]

http://media.ofcom.org.uk/2013/01/16...tect-children/

Currently Ofcom can only prosecute 'video on demand' adult websites, but the conservative government plans to extend this to all internet sites.

Age verification requirements go well beyond 'are you over 18'. i.e. German style requirements.

In other words, this time next year it will be effectively illegal to run an adult affiliate site from the UK.

Maybe time to revisit some of those 'best places in the world to run an adult company' threads.

[cordoba]

How is it possible, given the percentage of British affiliates on this forum and whose living will be wiped out very soon, that this thread doesn't even get viewed? Head in the sand time anyone?

[Kasumi]

UK is under Sharia law

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by cordoba

How is it possible, given the percentage of British affiliates on this forum and whose living will be wiped out very soon, that this thread doesn't even get viewed? Head in the sand time anyone?

You're assuming that those forum is full of business minded folk, and those British affiliates are make their living this way much less care about such things. With all of the abuse of the past decade, and free porn out every where without anything to age verify, you're going to see more of this. Whether you like it or not. You can only abuse the system so much before it bites back.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by cordoba

How is it possible, given the percentage of British affiliates on this forum and whose living will be wiped out very soon, that this thread doesn't even get viewed? Head in the sand time anyone?

Because OFCOM *plan* to do things all the time. The number of things they plan that do not get done is massive.

If *and* when this actually becomes law, THEN start a thread about it. As for now, there is nothing to say, because it isn't even at a proposal stage.

Added to which, if it becomes illegal for porn to be viewed in the UK by people that can't age verify with a credit card, fucking happy days!

Certainly hasn't damaged phone sex sales.

[v4 media]

So move, you've been saying yo were going to since your first post, what 3 years ago.

[MaDalton]

you'd be surprised but there are still german webmasters...

it would be great if this would work worldwide - billing companies are the key

[pornmasta]

they should ban tubes ;)

[CurrentlySober]

no it wont - please grow up...

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

you'd be surprised but there are still german webmasters...

german affiliates living in germany ?

[cordoba]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Because OFCOM *plan* to do things all the time. The number of things they plan that do not get done is massive.

If *and* when this actually becomes law, THEN start a thread about it. As for now, there is nothing to say, because it isn't even at a proposal stage.

Added to which, if it becomes illegal for porn to be viewed in the UK by people that can't age verify with a credit card, fucking happy days!

Certainly hasn't damaged phone sex sales.

Well what a tool you are.

Some people here do depend on the adult business to keep a roof over their heads. Advance warning might be considered a good deed. Obviously not much hope of the self-serving predators here ever organizing themselves to launch so much as a petition against this, but still, if you were going to possibly be made redundant in 6 months time, it wouldn't hurt to be forewarned would it?

How exactly is it possible to run an adult affiliate site that converts if each and every one of your visitors have to definitively prove that they are over 18 before seeing so much as an ankle? Have you ever pondered why there are no German porn affiliate sites?

Go back to bullying old men.

[pornmasta]

and why not ... AVS ?

[cordoba]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

You're assuming that those forum is full of business minded folk, and those British affiliates are make their living this way much less care about such things. With all of the abuse of the past decade, and free porn out every where without anything to age verify, you're going to see more of this. Whether you like it or not. You can only abuse the system so much before it bites back.

Basically, you're just saying how pleased you are that 10 or 20% of your competition (British webmasters) will be wiped out.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by pornmasta

german affiliates living in germany ?

Originally Posted by cordoba

Have you ever pondered why there are no German porn affiliate sites?

of course there are german affiliates living in Germany promoting german sites like Fundorado.de - without using hardcore content for promotion

[Kasumi]

Originally Posted by cordoba

Basically, you're just saying how pleased you are that 10 or 20% of your competition (British webmasters) will be wiped out.

register an offshore corp and work from under it's name?

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by cordoba

How is it possible, given the percentage of British affiliates on this forum and whose living will be wiped out very soon, that this thread doesn't even get viewed? Head in the sand time anyone?

Here is a question for you.

Q : What is the 1 thing a porn movie made in the 1970s can do that a porn movie made
today can NOT do.

A : Sell


Personally I want to see 99,9% of all the people currently involved in porn gone.

Without sounding like I am being nastoligique for the good old days. I will simply say that as a pornographer that was been around when 90% of the world considered sex films illegal or heavily censored them...

• The amount of money we spent on a film far surpasses what most porn films made today.
• The quality of our films far surpasses the shit factured today...
• And the amount of money we made from 1 film easily surpasses any 10 vidéos made today combined.

No offense ment to anyone. But anyone looking back with several decades of experience in this industry will agree that today's porn sucks ( in a very bad way.) And at least in this situation

It would appear that many gouvernements are actually quietly working in our best interests.

[CurrentlySober]

The OP is either a retard, or a rep of ATVOD...

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by cordoba

Well what a tool you are.

Ah name calling. Wonderful way to make a point. How erudite.

Originally Posted by cordoba

Some people here do depend on the adult business to keep a roof over their heads.

I do. But I only pay attention to things when I know they are going to happen. Not just bollocks on a message board. Do you see the difference?

Originally Posted by cordoba

Advance warning might be considered a good deed.

Yes, if it ever becomes a law, then that would be good. At the moment though, it's not even a proposal.

Originally Posted by cordoba

Obviously not much hope of the self-serving predators here ever organizing themselves to launch so much as a petition against this,

Do you go to AITA meetings?

Originally Posted by cordoba

but still, if you were going to possibly be made redundant in 6 months time, it wouldn't hurt to be forewarned would it?

Well obviously, straw man much?

Originally Posted by cordoba

How exactly is it possible to run an adult affiliate site that converts if each and every one of your visitors have to definitively prove that they are over 18 before seeing so much as an ankle?

Yes, imagine if all the traffic to your site were over 18 and had credit cards. That would be awful, wouldn't it?

Oh no, it would be fucking awesome.

Do you think before you type?

Originally Posted by cordoba

Have you ever pondered why there are no German porn affiliate sites?

There are loads.

Do you think that phone sex and mobile porn has been ruined since age verification became law?

If you do, you are wrong, btw.

I'd be much more worried about affiliates becoming more and more pointless to programme owners than something that may or may not become law.

I launched a cam site in January last year for a client. Not open to affiliates. Making a fortune. The writing is on the wall because people have realised it is much more efficient to do in house traffic generation. That is where your concern should be focussed.

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by cordoba

http://media.ofcom.org.uk/2013/01/16...tect-children/

Currently Ofcom can only prosecute 'video on demand' adult websites, but the conservative government plans to extend this to all internet sites.

Age verification requirements go well beyond 'are you over 18'. i.e. German style requirements.

In other words, this time next year it will be effectively illegal to run an adult affiliate site from the UK.

Maybe time to revisit some of those 'best places in the world to run an adult company' threads.

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

no it wont - please grow up...

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Ah name calling. Wonderful way to make a point. How erudite.



I do. But I only pay attention to things when I know they are going to happen. Not just bollocks on a message board. Do you see the difference?



Yes, if it ever becomes a law, then that would be good. At the moment though, it's not even a proposal.



Do you go to AITA meetings?



Well obviously, straw man much?



Yes, imagine if all the traffic to your site were over 18 and had credit cards. That would be awful, wouldn't it?

Oh no, it would be fucking awesome.

Do you think before you type?



There are loads.

Do you think that phone sex and mobile porn has been ruined since age verification became law?

If you do, you are wrong, btw.

I'd be much more worried about affiliates becoming more and more pointless to programme owners than something that may or may not become law.

I launched a cam site in January last year for a client. Not open to affiliates. Making a fortune. The writing is on the wall because people have realised it is much more efficient to do in house traffic generation. That is where your concern should be focussed.

QFT...

OP? Please go away?

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

QFT...

OP? Please go away?

Indeed. He's the nasty piece of work that defended Markham saying teachers need a will of iron to resist fucking children in their care.

/me shakes his head.

[cordoba]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

Here is a question for you.

It would appear that many gouvernements are actually quietly working in our best interests.

Whose best interests? A small number of porn businesses? Certainly not the 95% of the adult industry who are affiliates. And certainly neither the general porn watching public who will have to get their credit card out every time they want to jerk off.

[2013]

Paul markham approves

[cordoba]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Indeed. He's the nasty piece of work that defended Markham saying teachers need a will of iron to resist fucking children in their care.

/me shakes his head.

Oh no, another cowardly cock who makes his living from drug addicted 18 year olds being taken up the ass on film telling us all we're all sick paedophiles for admitting 15 year olds can be sexy.

[cordoba]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Ah name calling. Wonderful way to make a point. How erudite.



Yes, imagine if all the traffic to your site were over 18 and had credit cards. That would be awful, wouldn't it?

Oh no, it would be fucking awesome.

Do you think before you type?

Do you think that phone sex and mobile porn has been ruined since age verification became law?

Your only response to somebody who disagrees with you seems to be to accuse them of paedophilia.

I run a number of mobile porn affiliate sites that convert like crazy. Not sure if they would if a surfer had to enter credit card details just to look at my site before going on to the sponsors. You're talking about a very different thing. People don't have to get their credit card out just to look at a mobile porn affiliate site.

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

You're assuming that those forum is full of business minded folk, and those British affiliates are make their living this way much less care about such things. With all of the abuse of the past decade, and free porn out every where without anything to age verify, you're going to see more of this. Whether you like it or not. You can only abuse the system so much before it bites back.

Only thing you should be disgusted about is your attitude on the situation and your lack of education and along with a few other's, its the parents job, Period!

Its really not harmful ether but should be avioded

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by cordoba

Whose best interests? A small number of porn businesses? Certainly not the 95% of the adult industry who are affiliates. .

If someone is NOT
a. Producing / Filming someone having sexe
b. Or someone being filmed while they have sex
c. Or are brining someone to set so that they can be filmed while having sex.

Then they have NO business at all being invovled in the porn industry.

Just like on my sets, if someone is not on my payroll.. They have a choice of going out the door or through the door. One way or another they are going to find themself on the street.

Originally Posted by cordoba

And certainly neither the general porn watching public who will have to get their credit card out every time they want to jerk off.

I do not care about the general porn watching public. In fact they can go to hell as far as I am concerned.

But the person that pulls out his credit card every time he wants to masturbate is one of my closest and most dear friend. I say, "yes sir", "how can I help you sir", "did you enjoy that sir". "etc.. etc... etc.. "

[cordoba]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

no it wont - please grow up...

Sorry, I just find it hard to take that sort of advice from somebody who revels in displaying a photo of their hideously ugly fat head with a piece of excrement on top of it.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by cordoba

Oh no, another cowardly cock who makes his living from drug addicted 18 year olds being taken up the ass on film

Please post proof I make money from such illegal activity.

Originally Posted by cordoba

telling us all we're all sick paedophiles for admitting 15 year olds can be sexy.

Please post proof of me accusing you of being a pedophile.

[CyberHustler]

Hey, at least yall don't have guns

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by cordoba

Your only response to somebody who disagrees with you seems to be to accuse them of paedophilia.

Please post where I accused you of being a pedopile.

What happened was I took your incorrect and badly thought out points, and made a counterpoint explaining why you were wrong.

Originally Posted by cordoba

I run a number of mobile porn affiliate sites that convert like crazy. Not sure if they would if a surfer had to enter credit card details just to look at my site before going on to the sponsors.

As I said, you are wrong. You have to age verify with the phone company before you can access adult sites in the UK.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?clie...SZB8jQ0QXy6YEI

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

But the person that pulls out his credit card every time he wants to masturbate is one of my closest and most dear friend. I say, "yes sir", "how can I help you sir", "did you enjoy that sir". "etc.. etc... etc.. "

Abso-fucking-lutely.

[L-Pink]

Great news, hope it spreads.

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Because OFCOM *plan* to do things all the time. The number of things they plan that do not get done is massive.

If *and* when this actually becomes law, THEN start a thread about it. As for now, there is nothing to say, because it isn't even at a proposal stage.

Added to which, if it becomes illegal for porn to be viewed in the UK by people that can't age verify with a credit card, fucking happy days!

Certainly hasn't damaged phone sex sales.

It is already law. Atvod makes no distinction between video that is delivered as part of traditional vod site, or as a membership site. The business model is irrelevent. If you show adult content on a website that delivers non-linear audio visual material you must ensure that minors cannot view this material. This includes ads, tours, and trailures that are viewed before the paywall.

What you also need to take into account is that this is not UK law, but actually EU law. It applys in every EU state. The thing about the uk is that they have started to police the new regs and prosecute offenders. The rest of the EU is duty bound to do the same over the coming year.

Google AVMSD, its is very scary for anyone running an adult business from the EU.

The EU has decided that it will govern web content in the same was as TV content. This is massive for the adult business.

Damian, you are quite badly informed the new regulations of the adult business.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

Personally I want to see 99,9% of all the people currently involved in porn gone.

Less than five hundred posts and you think you are qualified to decide who should be in the business? That's comical.

The jerk offs get weeded out.

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by NewNick

The EU has decided that it will govern web content in the same was as TV content. This is massive for the adult business.

I am an old man and you just made me have an errection without swallowing a Viagra pill.

But I better be careful because all excitement can be bad for my heart. Perhaps I should visit my docteur and to renew my heart medication. I better take my banker too.... He might be at risk for a heart attack also because he has not seen me make large * CASH * deposits since 1984

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

I am an old man and you just made me have an errection without swallowing a Viagra pill.

But I better be careful because all excitement can be bad for my heart. Perhaps I should visit my docteur and to renew my heart medication. I better take my banker too.... He might be at risk for a heart attack also because he has not seen me make large * CASH * deposits since 1984

Not quite.

Non of these regs do anything to stop non EU based businesses supplying internet porn.

S o whilst the EU based business is correctly age verifing its visitors, pornhub et al carry on as normal.

So all this does is close down the EU adult business.

[johnnyloadproductions]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Less than five hundred posts and you think you are qualified to decide who should be in the business? That's comical.

The jerk offs get weeded out.

FOOL! You make comments about not trusting nicks that are less than 4 years old etc.

When most of your posts are ramblings of political garbage. People can have plenty of nicks on reserve to and do tricks.

notinmybackyards posts have been consistent, how about you go back and read some of them... oh wait, you're always asking for cliff notes of other peoples' lengthy posts or reading through something despite your lengthy and frequent posts, of garbage.

[johnnyloadproductions]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Less than five hundred posts and you think you are qualified to decide who should be in the business? That's comical.

The jerk offs get weeded out.

And if you read more, and remembered more, than you post you'd see he came here to observe and offer his perspective on all the piracy.

He's been around longer than you have.

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by NewNick

Not quite.

Non of these regs do anything to stop non EU based businesses supplying internet porn.

S o whilst the EU based business is correctly age verifing its visitors, pornhub et al carry on as normal.

So all this does is close down the EU adult business.

i dont see why. when there is a rule, humans always find a workaround. Wouldnt be much hassle to establish a delaware corporation, host content on a US server, run a proxy from your ISP to cloak your FTP to your US server (if that would even be a problem?), & suddenly you are back on the web, clean & serene. tell the tax man you do some computer consulting for US companies to set up EU websites, or any other manner of bullshit, because delaware has privacy protections that make it the cream of the tax dodging world.

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

i dont see why. when there is a rule, humans always find a workaround. Wouldnt be much hassle to establish a delaware corporation, host content on a US server, run a proxy from your ISP to cloak your FTP to your US server (if that would even be a problem?), & suddenly you are back on the web, clean & serene. tell the tax man you do some computer consulting for US companies to set up EU websites, or any other banner of bullshit, because delaware has privacy protections that make it the cream of the tax dodging world.

So the end result is the same.

Some light reading for those that are intereted.

http://ec.europa.eu/avpolicy/reg/tvw...s/index_en.htm

The sections on jurisdiction are quite clear.

http://ec.europa.eu/avpolicy/reg/tvw...n/index_en.htm

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by johnnyloadproductions

notinmybackyards posts have been consistent, how about you go back and read some of them...

Thank you.

Originally Posted by NewNick

So the end result is the same.

Some light reading for those that are intereted.

http://ec.europa.eu/avpolicy/reg/tvw...s/index_en.htm

The sections on jurisdiction are quite clear.

http://ec.europa.eu/avpolicy/reg/tvw...n/index_en.htm

Perhaps you should send a lettre to the owner of that blog. His french language section displays in english.

As for your previous commentary on porn hub, etc.
It would seem they are doing a good job of slowly destroying themselves. No entity can continue to make enemies at the rate the porn tube sites are without eventually suffering serious reprocussions.

As for pornhub,
They picked a city to do business in that has some very old world minded players. Considering I am old enough to have gone to secondaire with many of the fathers (and even grandfathers) of some today's players. Let me say I am not involved in anything and that I only worry about my little corner of the world. But I often hear things that I know most others are unaware of.

Bref the oldest profession in the world bankrolls a lot of people. No one can keep lowering the value of a woman selling her ass by offering a free stay at home and jerk off service. When the women start complaining that the men are not coming to them anymore. Sooner or later someone is going to try and fix the problem.

We will see what happens. It promises to be an interesting show.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by NewNick

So the end result is the same.

Some light reading for those that are intereted.

http://ec.europa.eu/avpolicy/reg/tvw...s/index_en.htm

The sections on jurisdiction are quite clear.

http://ec.europa.eu/avpolicy/reg/tvw...n/index_en.htm

That's all fine and well but the determination of what is "seriously" and what is "most likely" harmful to minors is subjective -- legislating a moral issue like "pornography" in a freedom of expression context is going to be up to the member states. Germany or the UK may take one approach to defining the content and its restrictions and places like the Netherlands may take another approach.

Please explain how pornography is seriously harmful in any way -- seriously harmful to what. You watch porn and become a deranged suicide bomber? ( Osama did have a porn stash they found when he was "taken out" but that really doesn't prove anything ... )

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Less than five hundred posts and you think you are qualified to decide who should be in the business? That's comical.

The jerk offs get weeded out.

He is an idiot but i don't see how post count has anything to do with this?

[adultmobile]

We, the adult sites, do not need kids as viewers, since they do not buy anything and make us no money, that's instead a cost in bandwidth, we would like to save.

Let the parents be not the ones responsible to monitor their kids, but instead the web sites not to provide any porn ever unless an "not existing global adult validation system standard" is applied? So then have governments adopt an internationally standardised and meaningful adult validation system, where every ISP of every country, operating systems and browser vendors and so on, would cooperate with local governments, councils, to make some pin password access given only to verified adults (verified by local authorities like a drivers license or social security does) or other opt-in, opt-out system which the governments would be responsible for to keep working.

[scottybuzz]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Please explain how pornography is seriously harmful in any way -- seriously harmful to what. You watch porn and become a deranged suicide bomber? ( Osama did have a porn stash they found when he was "taken out" but that really doesn't prove anything ... )

unfortunately that question is not for newnick to decide.

It doens't matter what your opinion on what is harmful is. What matters is the politicians' who make such rules.

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by scottybuzz

unfortunately that question is not for newnick to decide.

It doens't matter what your opinion on what is harmful is. What matters is the politicians' who make such rules.

I personally would be very happy if adult was correctly regulated so that children were unable to access it.

However unilateral regulation will not do that. Kids will just get their free porn from non EU websites.

[RyuLion]

Originally Posted by v4 media

So move, you've been saying yo were going to since your first post, what 3 years ago.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by scottybuzz

unfortunately that question is not for newnick to decide.

It doens't matter what your opinion on what is harmful is. What matters is the politicians' who make such rules.

You took it in the wrong context; the EU says then the member states do (their politicians interpret).

So, you will end up with a wide variation. It's a subjective decision as there is no conclusive evidence. A person does not watch a porn movie and then go out a to rape and plunder ... maybe he rubs one out but that is an affront to someone's version of acceptable behavior.

Germany has taken a most severe interpretation of the EU policy that may not be the way all the EU member states will act.

Originally Posted by NewNick

I personally would be very happy if adult was correctly regulated so that children were unable to access it.

However unilateral regulation will not do that. Kids will just get their free porn from non EU websites.

This same point was made in the US CDA, COPA and the USC18 §2257 cases also -- the jurisdiction is limited. To a certain degree there will end up being different levels of enforcement in different venues.

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

He is an idiot but i don't see how post count has anything to do with this?

Larry Flint said you are so smart that he is going to make you his personal advisor after you make another 3,000 posts.

So I suppose that makes you the man we should all be learning from.

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

you'd be surprised but there are still german webmasters...

it would be great if this would work worldwide - billing companies are the key

that would be good. Lets hope the whole planet goes verification.