Got any Ghost Stories?

I ain't afraid of no ghosts!

What the man said.

Ah the good ol open kind argument. If i don't believe in ridiculous fairy tales i'm closed minded. That's how it works, right?
Where have i seen that before? I know! In religious and conspiracy threads.

Actually i am extremely open minded! Show me proof for any of your claims and i will believe you. I will badkcally believe anything as long as you can show me it exists.

But here we have the big problem. Because none of you idiots EVER have any proof.
Not one single person ever on this earth has been able to prove anything supernatural.
Take a guess what could be the reason for that.

I know from personal experience that they exist. Enough odd encounters to convince me of that. Now I don't think they are quite as common as the TV shows make them out to be, but there is something non-corporeal out there.

Ofcourse you have some kind of proof. Right?

Every ghost story seems to be like this. An odd encounter that the participant can't quite explain. Why do you think it's a ghost and not a God? What makes you believe that it is a ghost instead of just some bizarre random coincidence?

Believers have something in them that makes them want to believe it is a ghost. I look at a bizarre situation, a bizarre thing that happened, and I sort of scratch my head and think "WTF?" I need more than "man that's really weird, it must be a ghost."

If the idea of a ghost was never planted in our heads. How would we conclude that there was a ghost just because a situation was bizarre? What is present in that situation that says "hey, it must be a ghost."

The internal desire is similar to a highly religious person thanking the Gods for saving their child in a car crash. Yet I always wonder, why would this great God put the kid in the car crash to begin with? Anyway, that's a different subject… But it's the same internal desire. The wanting to believe in something because we cannot explain it "rationally."

Are there ghosts? Are there Gods? Are there aliens? I don't know, there could be, I am open to the possibility, but I need way more than "my child was saved in a car crash" or "the coin jar moved to the living room" as proof.

Silentknight is such a pathetic idiot.
He opened a thread claiming weird stuff happened and was wondering what it could because he didn't really believe in ghosts yet every possibility people came up with he dismissed instantly and basically implied that a ghost could be the only solution. But he doesn't really believe. Right. Fucking moron.

These believers are just as dumb as conspiracy nutters. They have the same MO.

The concept of proof is unfortunately tied to a scientific standard of verifiability and repeatability. However, these criteria are specifically tied to the natural world. Science is, after all, based upon empirical study of the natural world. Therefore, proof can never be given for an event which falls outside the realm of observable natural phenomena. By definition, the supernatural falls outside this realm.

Science tosses out alot of data that doesn't fit their models. Science is also made and created by people. People who are also highly prejudiced, biased and fiercely protective of their world views. So called supernatural events are also subject to misinterpretation, but some are genuine.

The real problem is that the believers and the skeptics are arguing about a belief system. Typically, the argument usually turns out to be a semantic one. Because if any subject related to the supernatural were suddenly proven to exist, the skeptics would then claim victory on the grounds that the subject was never supernatural at all - it was natural. The believers would claim victory on the grounds that their perceptions were correct all along.

History is full of instances where the science of the day failed and had to wait for technological advances before the truth could be known.

Absence of proof doesn't invalidate the possibility of a supernatural cause. It simply means no proof is yet available.

The mistake some people make is assuming that those who entertain the idea that there MAY be supernatural forces at work are automatically "religious nuts". I'm a staunch atheist - and my definition of supernatural (or paranormal) simply means something that occurs outside of the natural world we currently know about. It doesn't point to the existence of a deity or supreme being.

A person with a truly open mind doesn't dismissively label others with differing opinions and experiences as fools, idiots and morons. The earth was flat...until 'fools' proved it was round.

You're a fucking idiot. Stop acting like you're a critical thinker. You're not. You simply want to believe in ghosts.

Funny how these idiots never feel the need to prove anything. But if you don't believe them you are closed minded.

Silentknight, i saw a purple flying pig yesterday. I won't prove it but if you don't believe me you're closed minded.
See how that works, imbecile boy?

This is true. However, those were still based on proof that was gathered by science at the time. Better science developed later on was able to prove that prior science was incorrect. The key word here is "prove." "Proof" can always change, but there has to be some element of proof in the overall logic.

"A jar of coins moved from one room to another. It must be a ghost."

Why? What happened that makes you conclude it is a ghost? Where does the theory even come from?

Absence of proof doesn't mean something didn't happen, but it doesn't mean it did either. You cannot prove a negative. Ghost theories are based on nothing though, absolutely nothing. Something strange happens and suddenly the answer is a ghost. Based on what? Proof or not, where does the ghost idea even come from?

This is the only question that needs to be answered: what makes you think a particular event happened because of a ghost?

Answer that.

I'm open to hearing and accepting other explanations - if you have any.

why all ghost are so shy?

That doesn't answer the question.

You are open to other possibilities, but for now, you are leaning towards ghosts. My question is: why?