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Executive Order for Gun Control

01-09-2013, 09:11 AM

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...ns_694984.html

"The president is going to act," said Biden, giving some comments to the press before a meeting with victims of gun violence. "There are executives orders, there's executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet. But we're compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required."
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01-09-2013, 09:14 AM

First they take your guns...
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01-09-2013, 09:15 AM

You anti gun nuts do realize that trying to ban guns is only going to get a lot of people hurt and killed?

It didn't work - for long - with alcohol, what on earth makes you people believe it'll work with guns?

You really want to solve most gun related problems? Well then how about telling the gov to stop supplying guns and drugs to the criminals...
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01-09-2013, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by BIGTYMER

First they try to take your guns...

Fixed it for you.

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01-09-2013, 09:17 AM

Not to mention, banning guns solves nothing... even if you could manage to get them out of the criminals' hands as well... Violent people will still react violently.
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01-09-2013, 09:26 AM

There's nothing wrong with banning certain guns.
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01-09-2013, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by KillerK

There's nothing wrong with banning certain guns.

That depends on how you look at it...

The people can't exactly stand up against a tyrannical government armed with only pistols...
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01-09-2013, 09:31 AM

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01-09-2013, 09:32 AM

The government is not going to take guns from it's citizens.
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01-09-2013, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by vdbucks

That depends on how you look at it...

The people can't exactly stand up against a tyrannical government armed with only pistols...

how about electing a sensible government? as far as i know the US is not a dictatorship

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01-09-2013, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by MaDalton

how about electing a sensible government? as far as i know the US is not a dictatorship

We'd need a lot less muppets first, unfortunately.

Stupid people are drawn in to stupid things... like this whole "left vs right" garbage... and facebook... and american idol... and anything and everything that keeps people from focusing on the real problems we have in our country.

The government is doing it's job well... those of us who care about the real problems in amercia are made to look like nuts, and the rest are force fed absolute garbage and given enough to keep them overall content with their sad pathetic lives...

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01-09-2013, 09:36 AM

Originally posted by MaDalton

as far as i know the US is not a dictatorship

Neither was the weimar republic.....

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01-09-2013, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by sperbonzo

Neither was the weimar republic.....

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which is a brilliant example btw that guns in the hands of the people would not have changed the slightest bit

also there were a few "minor" flaws in the constitution back then

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01-09-2013, 09:48 AM

This is what I've been saying. This is not a shooting in a movie theater or mall; This was twenty six and seven year old school kids brutally murdered by a man with a assault rifle. We still talk about the Columbine shooting years later, and we'll talk about this shooting too ten years from now.

The NRA needs to be on the front line on gun safety coming up with ideas - not telling us that more guns is the solution. The NRA should be moving forward with a massive campaign to prevent firearms from getting into the hands of mentally ill people and they aren't doing this.

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01-09-2013, 09:50 AM

I thought of a brilliant plan...

instead of banning guns or making "laws" that will piss of gun owners, what about policing current policies?

meaning... currently as a gun owner you are registered in "the system" and police know when they pull you over if you own a gun or not. however, when you commit a crime, you don't need to give your guns up... but if you commit a crime (depending on the crime and state), then you can't buy a new one.

therefore, if rights were policed based upon your actions there could be more control. as well, having a gun without a permit should yield hefty fines and prison time. raise the fines, then you can pay people to police the problem. if you cant pay the fine, you go to jail.

as well for ammo, you can ONLY buy ammo with a permit (your gun permit i mean). this is how a good number of gun related problems start, I know this because when I was in 7th grade, some kid brought a gun into school and admitted that his friends brother bought him the ammo.

In order to buy ammo, you MUST own a gun and you can only buy ammo for that type of gun you own. want to give bullets as a gift? then you can buy a gift card to the store.

on a bit more "touchy" subject, if you have children in your house or anyone with mental illness, it is your duty to project your firearms. otherwise if you don't YOU go to jail. Imagine how many parents would buy safes and hide the shit out of their guns if they knew that if their kid took their gun to school, they would sit in jail.

Threats are what keep people in line

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01-09-2013, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by Rochard

This is what I've been saying. This is not a shooting in a movie theater or mall; This was twenty six and seven year old school kids brutally murdered by a man with a assault rifle. We still talk about the Columbine shooting years later, and we'll talk about this shooting too ten years from now.

The NRA needs to be on the front line on gun safety coming up with ideas - not telling us that more guns is the solution. The NRA should be moving forward with a massive campaign to prevent firearms from getting into the hands of mentally ill people and they aren't doing this.

I'm all for background checks on private party sales, that should have been a law a long time ago.

But that's about it.
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01-09-2013, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by seeric

The government is not going to take guns from it's citizens.

Yeah so far most of Obama's executive orders have been race based, keeping money from other countries or creating new advisory committee's.

After the patriot act was passed and then extended twice by Obama, here are a few things we have already lost

* FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigation.

* FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records requests.

* FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation.

* RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION: Government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes.

* FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES: Government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation.

* RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.

* RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them.

nope I don't see us losing more rights <sarcasm>

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01-09-2013, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by MaDalton

how about electing a sensible government? as far as i know the US is not a dictatorship

Didn't your people elect Hitler?

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01-09-2013, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by Rochard

This is what I've been saying. This is not a shooting in a movie theater or mall; This was twenty six and seven year old school kids brutally murdered by a man with a assault rifle. We still talk about the Columbine shooting years later, and we'll talk about this shooting too ten years from now.

The NRA needs to be on the front line on gun safety coming up with ideas - not telling us that more guns is the solution. The NRA should be moving forward with a massive campaign to prevent firearms from getting into the hands of mentally ill people and they aren't doing this.

read this very carefully: the only way to stop people with mental illness from getting guns is to violate their constitutional right to privacy. once your start segregating people on genetics and 'qualified mental health' where does it end?
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01-09-2013, 10:10 AM

Originally posted by Grapesoda

read this very carefully: the only way to stop people with mental illness from getting guns is to violate their constitutional right to privacy. once your start segregating people on genetics and 'qualified mental health' where does it end?

Though, I cannot condone a mentally ill person carrying a firearm, I will defend to the death his right to do so.

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01-09-2013, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by vdbucks

You anti gun nuts do realize that trying to ban guns is only going to get a lot of people hurt and killed?

It didn't work - for long - with alcohol, what on earth makes you people believe it'll work with guns?

You really want to solve most gun related problems? Well then how about telling the gov to stop supplying guns and drugs to the criminals...

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01-09-2013, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by Mr Pheer

I'm all for background checks on private party sales, that should have been a law a long time ago.

But that's about it.

I'm fine with going a bit further really. Background checks need to be so much more than just looking for a felony - we need to be looking for mental health issues and anger issues. A background check should include a visit to the doctor to check for mental health issues and a phone call the local police department to see if person has been arrested but not charged for assault or spousal abuse - at the very least.

This has little to do with gun control. We need to ID people with mental health and or anger issues, period.
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01-09-2013, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by Grapesoda

read this very carefully: the only way to stop people with mental illness from getting guns is to violate their constitutional right to privacy. once your start segregating people on genetics and 'qualified mental health' where does it end?

To the best of my knowledge, it's already illegal for people with a diagnosed mental illness to own firearms. It may be limited to certain extremes of mental illness... But I do know that's one of the restrictions placed on people upon diagnosis.
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01-09-2013, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by Grapesoda

read this very carefully: the only way to stop people with mental illness from getting guns is to violate their constitutional right to privacy. once your start segregating people on genetics and 'qualified mental health' where does it end?

You are crack head.

Can you show me where in the US Constitution that it says we cannot declare someone mentally ill and restrict them? Because I'm pretty freaking sure that the local police can put a 48 hour psychiatric hold on people and lock them up without so much as a trial and I know people can be declared mentally insane.

We have the right to bear arms, it's in the Constitution, but yet there are lots and lots of restrictions on that? Felons, for example, cannot own firearms. Why can we not expand that to people who have mental health issues or anger issues?

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01-09-2013, 10:23 AM

I have a better idea.

Instead of gun control, let's just implement Children Control.

Everyone that wants to have children must have a psych eval, thorough background check of you and your entire family that will have contact with the child, financial eval and health checkup. If you don't meet certain criteria... Fuck you.

How ya like them apples?

If kids were brought up in a proper home, they wouldn't need guns. Problem solved.

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01-09-2013, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by Vendzilla

Yeah so far most of Obama's executive orders have been race based, keeping money from other countries or creating new advisory committee's.

After the patriot act was passed and then extended twice by Obama, here are a few things we have already lost

* FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigation.

* FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records requests.

* FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation.

* RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION: Government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes.

* FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES: Government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation.

* RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.

* RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them.

nope I don't see us losing more rights <sarcasm>

Why do you make this out to be a Obama thing when it's really a Republican thing - Signed into law in 2001 by President Bush....

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01-09-2013, 10:27 AM

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01-09-2013, 10:35 AM

As a slave living under a tyranical government who has taken our guns this is how I sleep at night.
I have no cat door so I let my cat out and if she doesn't com back when I want to go to bed I just go to sleep with my front door ajar. so pussy cat can came come in during the night and jump on my bed, thats how fucked up it is living in a tyranical violent regime.. have fun with your freedom and guns, I dont even lock my door.
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01-09-2013, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by bossku69

I thought of a brilliant plan...

instead of banning guns or making "laws" that will piss of gun owners, what about policing current policies?

meaning... currently as a gun owner you are registered in "the system" and police know when they pull you over if you own a gun or not. however, when you commit a crime, you don't need to give your guns up... but if you commit a crime (depending on the crime and state), then you can't buy a new one.

therefore, if rights were policed based upon your actions there could be more control. as well, having a gun without a permit should yield hefty fines and prison time. raise the fines, then you can pay people to police the problem. if you cant pay the fine, you go to jail.

as well for ammo, you can ONLY buy ammo with a permit (your gun permit i mean). this is how a good number of gun related problems start, I know this because when I was in 7th grade, some kid brought a gun into school and admitted that his friends brother bought him the ammo.

In order to buy ammo, you MUST own a gun and you can only buy ammo for that type of gun you own. want to give bullets as a gift? then you can buy a gift card to the store.

on a bit more "touchy" subject, if you have children in your house or anyone with mental illness, it is your duty to project your firearms. otherwise if you don't YOU go to jail. Imagine how many parents would buy safes and hide the shit out of their guns if they knew that if their kid took their gun to school, they would sit in jail.

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01-09-2013, 10:37 AM

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First they take your guns...

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01-09-2013, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by Voodoo

I have a better idea.

Instead of gun control, let's just implement Children Control.

Everyone that wants to have children must have a psych eval, thorough background check of you and your entire family that will have contact with the child, financial eval and health checkup. If you don't meet certain criteria... Fuck you.

How ya like them apples?

If kids were brought up in a proper home, they wouldn't need guns. Problem solved.

You couldn't be more wrong. This isn't about poor parenting. This is about mental health. You can have a perfect childhood, and then on your twenty-first birthday hit your head in a car accident, and suddenly your mentally retarded.

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01-09-2013, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by Rochard

You are crack head.

Can you show me where in the US Constitution that it says we cannot declare someone mentally ill and restrict them? Because I'm pretty freaking sure that the local police can put a 48 hour psychiatric hold on people and lock them up without so much as a trial and I know people can be declared mentally insane.

since you asked....

The 9th amendment, actually, supported by the 4th amendment. Unless you are declaring mental illness to be a crime, of course.

(btw, I have no problem with people who have been declared mentally unfit to care for themselves in some kind of public procedure, being kept by the state, and denied the ability to have a gun, I'm just pointing out the places in the constitution that you asked about).

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01-09-2013, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by Voodoo

I have a better idea.

Instead of gun control, let's just implement Children Control.

Everyone that wants to have children must have a psych eval, thorough background check of you and your entire family that will have contact with the child, financial eval and health checkup. If you don't meet certain criteria... Fuck you.

How ya like them apples?

If kids were brought up in a proper home, they wouldn't need guns. Problem solved.

yeah nothing says winning over hearts and minds in the US by instituting eugenics..

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01-09-2013, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by Voodoo

I have a better idea.

Instead of gun control, let's just implement Children Control.

Everyone that wants to have children must have a psych eval, thorough background check of you and your entire family that will have contact with the child, financial eval and health checkup. If you don't meet certain criteria... Fuck you.

How ya like them apples?

If kids were brought up in a proper home, they wouldn't need guns. Problem solved.

bring this up again the moment people stop conceiving children and start buying them at Walmart in isle 47 right beside the assault rifles.
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01-09-2013, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by Rochard

You couldn't be more wrong. This isn't about poor parenting. This is about mental health. You can have a perfect childhood, and then on your twenty-first birthday hit your head in a car accident, and suddenly your mentally retarded.

Just as this Gun Control isn't about mental health either. I don't know that you really understand what you are saying.

If someone has mental health issues... Do you really think a law is going to stop them from committing the crime of murder? If you think some law will stop them, I will eat my own socks, otherwise, please explain how a law will protect anyone from a criminally ill person.

No law can protect the innocent from criminals. You just can't do it. You can try to take guns away, but is it really the guns that are the problem? No, it's the children of some people. So I still stand by my Children Control initiative.

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01-09-2013, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by PR_Glen

yeah nothing says winning over hearts and minds in the US by instituting eugenics..

brilliant..

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01-09-2013, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by sperbonzo

since you asked....

The 9th amendment, actually, supported by the 4th amendment. Unless you are declaring mental illness to be a crime, of course.

(btw, I have no problem with people who have been declared mentally unfit to care for themselves in some kind of public procedure, being kept by the state, and denied the ability to have a gun, I'm just pointing out the places in the constitution that you asked about).

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Because the 9th amendment isn't as vague as possible, right?

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Where do you read "We cannot allow mentally ill people from owning fire arms due to perceived privacy rights". It also does not say any rights are unqualified or unfettered - meaning, there can in fact be restrictions.

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01-09-2013, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by Vendzilla

After the patriot act was passed and then extended twice by Obama, here are a few things we have already lost

* FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigation.

* FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records requests.

* FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation.

* RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION: Government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes.

* FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES: Government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation.

* RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.

* RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them.

nope I don't see us losing more rights <sarcasm>

Don't be silly. Several posters here on GFY have continuously posted that since they are able to get up, get in their used 1991 car and drive to the grocery store "freely"...then we haven' lost ANY rights and we are FREE!

All that other stuff is just dumb.

Or ask anybody that lives in Eastern Europe. They will tell you that you don't know what losing your freedom is.

We just have to keep giving the Federal Govt. MORE money and MORE power!
Just like those stupid gun owners don't "need" assault weapons...we really don't "need" all those freedoms and rights!

</stupid post by me pointing out in a sarcastic way that YEP Obama is doing everything that a real freedom loving "liberal" is against>

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01-09-2013, 10:54 AM

Yearly mental health evaluation for all gun owners.

Stiff penalties if your gun is lost/stolen and used to commit a crime.
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01-09-2013, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by SuckOnThis

Yearly mental health evaluation for all gun owners.

Stiff penalties if your gun is lost/stolen and used to commit a crime.

Maybe Gun Control and Children Control. That's even better.

We should also impose a national curfew. Maybe 9:00PM. You can't be out after 9:00PM. Oh, and when the train comes to take you to better living conditions. Go ahead and board without hassling the guards. When you get off at your final stop, make sure you follow direction from the guards to the nearest shelter. Don't mind the smell of burning flesh. Just get in.

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01-09-2013, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by Voodoo

Do you really think a law is going to stop them from committing the crime of murder?

Do I really think a law is going to stop someone from committing the crime of murder. Yes, I do. Take gun control out of the discussion - let's just talk about mental health.

The shooter in CT checked every last fucking box and had a shrink assigned to him in high school, yet he slipped through the cracks and no one was able to help him to prevent this. His mother not only failed to see the signs, but she also encouraged him by training him in firearms and then allowing him to plaster his walls with posters of military hardware.

The guy who shot the firemen fucking killed his grandmother with a mother fucking hammer. How the fuck was he allowed out of prison?

It's just common sense. If you have a mentally ill child in your house, you might not want to have firearms. Or knives or baseball bats or weed poison in the garage...

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01-09-2013, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by Rochard

This is what I've been saying. This is not a shooting in a movie theater or mall; This was twenty six and seven year old school kids brutally murdered by a man with a assault rifle.

You might want to get your facts straight. The assault rifle was in the car, you can watch video of the cops pulling it from the trunk.

The news isn't talking about this, since they want the assault ones banned.
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01-09-2013, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by Robbie

Don't be silly. Several posters here on GFY have continuously posted that since they are able to get up, get in their used 1991 car and drive to the grocery store "freely"...then we haven' lost ANY rights and we are FREE!

Again, the only contact I'll have with any government agency this year is my taxes and the security at the airport on Sunday. The patriot act changed nothing for me. I can still go where I want, say what I want, and do what I want - short of killing or beating someone.

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</stupid post by me pointing out in a sarcastic way that YEP Obama is doing everything that a real freedom loving "liberal" is against>

But it was Bush who signed the original Patriot law... Did you complain in 2001 when it was signed into law?

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01-09-2013, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by Voodoo

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No law can protect the innocent from criminals.

Then what is the point of having any laws?

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01-09-2013, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by Rochard

Do I really think a law is going to stop someone...

I didn't say "someone", I said a criminal. Not just a regular law abiding citizen, I'm talking about "criminals" and criminally ill / insane. Because law abiding citizens don't kill people. Criminals do. Do you believe a law will protect an innocent law abiding citizen from being murdered by a criminally ill person?

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01-09-2013, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by KillerK

You might want to get your facts straight. The assault rifle was in the car, you can watch video of the cops pulling it from the trunk.

The news isn't talking about this, since they want the assault ones banned.

Here's what Wikipedia says about it:

At about 9:35 a.m., using his mother's Bushmaster XM-15, Lanza shot his way through a locked glass door at the front of the school.

And....

Lanza stopped shooting between 9:46 a.m. and 9:49 a.m., after firing 50 to 100 rounds.He reloaded frequently during the shooting, sometimes firing only fifteen rounds from a thirty round magazine. He shot all of his victims multiple times, and at least one victim, six-year-old Noah Pozner, 11 times.

It also says...

A shotgun was found in the car Lanza had driven to the school.

Sounds to me like the press might have spoken too soon - which is very common in such reports.

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01-09-2013, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by Voodoo

I didn't say "someone", I said a criminal. Not just a regular law abiding citizen, I'm talking about "criminals" and criminally ill / insane. Because law abiding citizens don't kill people. Criminals do. Do you believe a law will protect an innocent law abiding citizen from being murdered by a criminally ill person?

A criminal isn't a criminal until after they have committed the crime. We cannot identify who will become a criminal in advance, but we can identify people who are mentally ill and attempt to restrict them from buying and owning firearms.

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01-09-2013, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by Rochard

This is what I've been saying. This is not a shooting in a movie theater or mall; This was twenty six and seven year old school kids brutally murdered by a man with a assault rifle. We still talk about the Columbine shooting years later, and we'll talk about this shooting too ten years from now.

The NRA needs to be on the front line on gun safety coming up with ideas - not telling us that more guns is the solution. The NRA should be moving forward with a massive campaign to prevent firearms from getting into the hands of mentally ill people and they aren't doing this.

NOPE. Well Kinda.
But it is the People that go crazy.

If there were never AR-15's invented, this person would of killed those kids with a shotgun that holds 100 rounds, or hand guns. Handguns just like the college shooting, one was a .22

It only takes less than one second to drop a clip / magazine and slap in another, for any gun.

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01-09-2013, 11:25 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sEYGcXSmpQ

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