I just wanted to add about what I said above..

I can also say something about bullet penetration from experience. When I was a kid we heard a dog whaling in the woods behind our house and my parents and neighbor thought a gator might of gotten a hold of it. My step father and neighbor decided to go check it out, but the neighbor wanted to get his gun.

He was apparently in a hustle to get his rifle and while getting it managed to have the gun go off. The bullet from his gun went though his window into our kitchen window and lodged it's self in our wall. This wasn't even an assault rifle just a hunting rifle and it being shot inside his house managed to enter ours next door.

Just for this reason alone I will always look at anyone whom claims they need anything more than a shotgun or pistol for home defense as a irresponsible gun owner. Even a pistol is problematic, in the area of bullet penetration.

my house has been robbed twice this year. where did I go wrong?

your not street smart :2 cents:

1 get some dogs
2. cameras mounted (hidden from view)
3. stop hitting those clubs with the hoodrats :1orglaugh your not a thug playa

Well, you got a link in your sig that says third world girls, so that kind of says it all, doesn't it?

I mean, seriously, you've been robbed twice in one year and I've never robbed at all in forty-four years?

Buy a dog. In fact, buy three of them. Then get an alarm system.

If I was robbed twice in the same year, I would move quickly.

Excellent points. It's not just removing the wounded, there is also the care involved.

The Military rule of thumb is 10 men are needed to support each troop in the field. It requires 20 to support each wounded soldier. But friendly fire constitutes close to 1/3 of all casualties in War. Pat Tillman's unfortunate death was not an anomaly.

The AR15 / M16 is hardly accurate in any hands other than an experts. An expert would much rather have a Kalishnikov, or for longer distances, a Barrett. The high volume magazines are the only real plus to the .556 ammo. Allows the troops to lay down a lot of fire, although 70 rounds is the standard issue for a combat infantryman.

As for the person with the AR1911? Get a 9MM. I was so glad when the Army switched over 27 years ago, and I was issued a decent piece.


But frankly, discussing a Guns accuracy and value is missing the point.

It's not Guns that are an issue. It is the lack of controls around WHO has one.

A lot of that blows back on irresponsible gun owners. Other than these mass shooters looking to kill as many people as possible before they commit suicide-by-cop, most criminals carry stolen guns. That's so the gun cannot be traced back to them. Where do you think they get them? They steal them or buy a stolen one. Duhhhhhhh.

I'm in total agreement with people who propose elimination of public ownership of Assault Weapons, requirements for Safety Training, an Eye Exam, Psychiatric Certification and periodic re-certification. Not to mention requiring a Gun Lock be sold with each firearm. I do all that certification for my car, and always keep it locked. I'll be happy to do it for my M12.

Bingo. Instead we hand out firearms to anyone who wants one and then don't bother to track them at all.