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  • Rochard
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    • Dec 2001
    • 75733
    #51
    Originally posted by Vendzilla
    most of the strict gun laws came into effect before the 900 murders( 1994 being the last year above 900) the biggest were passed in 1982. Don't you get it? 1992 is when they passed the assault weapons ban, but hand guns ban was passed in 1982.

    The gun laws have done very little, just unarmed legal ownership.
    Truth be told, in the past two years some of those laws have been struck down or put on hold pending constitutional review - the Supreme Court just knocked down Chicago's handgun ban.

    Do you see what I'm saying here Brett? Your saying that Chicago has tough gun laws and homicides is going up, and I'm telling you that the Supreme Court just knocked down their twenty year ban on handguns and homicides have gone up.

    Earlier you mentioned some city in GA where they are required to have handguns, yet it's only half as safe as my hometown that doesn't have such a silly law.

    Why is it that every time you say something Brett the direct opposite is true?
    Herschel Savage
    Brooklyn, NY

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      • Rochard
        Jägermeister Test Pilot
        • Dec 2001
        • 75733
        #52
        Originally posted by Vendzilla
        most of the strict gun laws came into effect before the 900 murders( 1994 being the last year above 900) the biggest were passed in 1982. Don't you get it? 1992 is when they passed the assault weapons ban, but hand guns ban was passed in 1982.

        The gun laws have done very little, just unarmed legal ownership.
        The handgun ban in Chicago was just knocked down by the Supreme Court, and magically in the same year homicides goes up. Like Magic.
        Herschel Savage
        Brooklyn, NY

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          • PornoMonster
            Confirmed User
            • Mar 2003
            • 2257
            #53
            Originally posted by epitome
            Anyone that actually knows DC knows that the murder rate has gone down. In the last decade a lot of the SE and parts of NE were gobbled up and revitalized. The criminal element moved to neighboring Prince Georges Co. where the murder rate soared.

            Something similar happened in Baltimore with Section 8 housing but on a much smaller scale.
            As I heard the crime and murder rate for the USA is down.
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              • PornoMonster
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                • Mar 2003
                • 2257
                #54
                Originally posted by Rochard
                Truth be told, in the past two years some of those laws have been struck down or put on hold pending constitutional review - the Supreme Court just knocked down Chicago's handgun ban.

                Do you see what I'm saying here Brett? Your saying that Chicago has tough gun laws and homicides is going up, and I'm telling you that the Supreme Court just knocked down their twenty year ban on handguns and homicides have gone up.

                Earlier you mentioned some city in GA where they are required to have handguns, yet it's only half as safe as my hometown that doesn't have such a silly law.

                Why is it that every time you say something Brett the direct opposite is true?
                So 18 years of gun ban, and still shootings happen?

                I bet after all the stats are in 2012 is up everywhere, despite the USA has gone down several years now for crime. 2012 might of changed that, not sure, have to wait and see!
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                  • PornoMonster
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                    • Mar 2003
                    • 2257
                    #55
                    Originally posted by NETbilling
                    An assault weapons ban would take several years to see any effects and thats ok with me. Do it now and let our children and theirs reap the benefits.
                    I think it has been said the 10 year assault looking weapon ban did nothing...
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                      • GFED
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                        • May 2002
                        • 8121
                        #56
                        Originally posted by Rochard
                        The handgun ban in Chicago was just knocked down by the Supreme Court, and magically in the same year homicides goes up. Like Magic.
                        That is magic... since the new laws won't go into effect until next year and it takes months to get your ccw license after applying for it.
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                          • Rochard
                            Jägermeister Test Pilot
                            • Dec 2001
                            • 75733
                            #57
                            Originally posted by tony286
                            I got a question for Rochard since he trained people on firearms. Do they know the percentage of people that have a gun and freeze in a crisis situation?
                            Everyone assumes the inner James Bond kicks but I got to figure that's not the case.
                            I didn't teach firearms really - I wasn't the guy who came out with an M16 and show people how to use it. I was an instructor at AITS (Advanced Infantry Training School) which taught combat tactics to staff NCOs and officers.

                            However, everyone thinks they are James Bond and can respond to a tactical situation with no problems. Some people will lock up with pure fear, and others will not be able to pull the trigger because the possibility of taken a stranger's life when they don't know all of the facts stops them - Are you shooting the bad guy or are you shooting an off duty police officer who is trying to take out the shooter, or if you are in your house are you taking aim at the robber or your armed neighbor who saw someone break into your house?

                            You break into my house at 3am and set off my alarm, the local police would be able to respond quicker than I would. By the time I woke up and figured out what was going on it would be over.
                            Herschel Savage
                            Brooklyn, NY

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                              • Rochard
                                Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                • Dec 2001
                                • 75733
                                #58
                                Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                Most people that hunt, they know. That's why you go to the range and practice. Just the same with Martial Arts. You go over and over the same moves so that it comes naturally when the time is it's needed. I took my daughter to the range almost every month. It was close and it was fun.
                                The military actually has tests to see who would make a good sniper, not by ability with a rifle, but being able to coldly pull the trigger
                                No, people who hunt don't know at all. Shooting at an animal and taking the life of another person is two completely different things. Taking someone's life and comparing to kicking them could not be further apart.

                                Shooting at a range in a safe environment where no one is shooting back at you vs potentially killing someone is two utterly different things.
                                Herschel Savage
                                Brooklyn, NY

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                                  • Gozarian
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Jun 2012
                                    • 558
                                    #59
                                    WTF, Rochard, SCOUTUS struck down Chicago’s longstanding handgun ban in June 2010. The hand gun ban was adopted March 19, 1982 and was never stayed during the legal process.

                                    The 7th Circuit court struck down the state wide concealed carry ban (720 ILCS 5/24-2) Dec 11 2012 which was passed in 1994 and also was not stayed during the appeal process.

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                                      • Rochard
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                                        • Dec 2001
                                        • 75733
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by Gozarian
                                        WTF, Rochard, SCOUTUS struck down Chicago?s longstanding handgun ban in June 2010. The hand gun ban was adopted March 19, 1982 and was never stayed during the legal process.
                                        There are multiple firearm laws that have been in place since the early 1980s, which helped to cut the homicide rate in half - from a high of 900 to 400.

                                        Over the past two or three years multiple laws have been struck down, including laws about carrying concealed weapons and carrying handguns in public places. During this time, homicides rise.

                                        Meanwhile, in gun crazy land, the gun nuts are working over time to get these laws over turned and are being successful, and then telling us that the "most strict gun laws in the country" are a fail because Chicago had 500 homicides... The truth is when gun laws were in place they reduced homicides, and now that they are being removed homicides are going up. This is proof that gun laws work.

                                        It's common sense: More firearms equals more firearm crimes.
                                        Herschel Savage
                                        Brooklyn, NY

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                                          • Rochard
                                            Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                            • Dec 2001
                                            • 75733
                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                            Tom, that was pretty lame,what myself and others have been saying is not that regulation doesn't work, what we are saying is that regulating legal ownership is a mute point when it doesn't apply to illegal owners and that the regulations that the idiots in congress come up with are so full of holes because that's the way they like to do things that anything they pass is pretty much worthless. Chicago has more regulations than any place I know of in the US and it doesn't work
                                            Chicago put gun laws into place that reduced homicides by half, from a high of 900 to 400.

                                            A number of gun laws were struct down over the past two or three years, including laws about carrying weapons in public places and carrying concealed weapons, which resulted in homicides going up this year.

                                            Seems to me that gun laws work, and removing them fails.
                                            Herschel Savage
                                            Brooklyn, NY

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                                              • Gozarian
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Jun 2012
                                                • 558
                                                #62
                                                http://chicagocrimescenes.blogspot.r...go+murder+rate

                                                good history of murder in Chicago.
                                                Last edited by Gozarian; 12-31-2012, 02:25 PM.

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                                                  • GFED
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • May 2002
                                                    • 8121
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by Rochard
                                                    Chicago put gun laws into place that reduced homicides by half, from a high of 900 to 400.

                                                    A number of gun laws were struct down over the past two or three years, including laws about carrying weapons in public places and carrying concealed weapons, which resulted in homicides going up this year.

                                                    Seems to me that gun laws work, and removing them fails.
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                                                      • CheeseFrog
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Dec 2003
                                                        • 1724
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by buzzard
                                                        Heya Pointless, You do know the story on Mexico, Right???
                                                        Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                        And what exactly is a military caliber? AR-15 shoots a .223, that's a hunting caliber also.
                                                        M1 Carbine, vintage WWII is a .30 caliber pistol round and Garand uses a 30.06, then there are all the automatic weapons that use the 9mm. BTW, Mexico is a bad example of anything working for gun control.
                                                        That was meant to be read tongue-in-cheek.
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                                                          • Vendzilla
                                                            Biker Gnome
                                                            • Mar 2004
                                                            • 23200
                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by Rochard
                                                            Truth be told, in the past two years some of those laws have been struck down or put on hold pending constitutional review - the Supreme Court just knocked down Chicago's handgun ban.

                                                            Do you see what I'm saying here Brett? Your saying that Chicago has tough gun laws and homicides is going up, and I'm telling you that the Supreme Court just knocked down their twenty year ban on handguns and homicides have gone up.

                                                            Earlier you mentioned some city in GA where they are required to have handguns, yet it's only half as safe as my hometown that doesn't have such a silly law.

                                                            Why is it that every time you say something Brett the direct opposite is true?
                                                            The murder rate has not just jumped, it remands statistically the same since 2004, despite the unconstitutional hand gun ban.

                                                            What does the gun law in Georgia have to do with your town? More guns owned by legal citizens proved to lower the crime rate for THAT town, did Lincoln pass a gun law?
                                                            Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                            think about that

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