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  • Vendzilla
    Biker Gnome
    • Mar 2004
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    #1

    Banning Assault weapons may not be the right direction according to this

    Gun laws in Illinois

    Cook County and the city of Chicago have separately banned the possession of "assault weapons", and of magazines that can hold more than 10 or 12 rounds of ammunition respectively.

    Illinois does not issue licenses for the concealed carry of firearms, nor does it recognize licenses issued by other states. Illinois is the only state that does not allow concealed carry in some form. Open carry is also prohibited in most areas.

    When a firearm is being transported, it must be unloaded and enclosed in a case.

    To legally possess firearms or ammunition, Illinois residents must have a Firearm Owners Identification (FOID) card, issued by the state police.

    Yet Chicago ( This is where Obama came from) has just passed 500 murders with over 2,500 being shot, 63 murdered (http://crimeinchicago.blogspot.com/2...n-chicago.html 454 have been shot)were children for the year. Which puts a shadow on the idea that banning assault weapons or spending the time doing so is a waste of time.

    People outside the US that have never lived here will not understand our culture, they can give all the advice they want. I would bet that the crime rate in the Nations capital has gone down since the Supreme Court ruled allowing them to own guns again.
    Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
    think about that
  • epitome
    So Fucking Lame
    • Jun 2009
    • 12156

    #2
    How many of those murders happened outside of the ghetto where the victim and shooter were not known to each other?

    Most of those deaths are drug and gang related, just like in Baltimore, DC, St. Louis or any other city with those same problems.

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    • StickyGreen
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      • Oct 2003
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      #3
      I don't know why people think you can stop bad things from happening without creating a total orwellian society...
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      • CyberHustler
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        • Feb 2006
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        #4
        Like I said before, what's happening in Chicago has nothing to do with anybodies gun laws. There's some next level stuff happening there with Mexican Cartels and Chicago street gangs collaborating.
        “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

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        • DTK
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          • Feb 2002
          • 4546

          #5
          The whole problem with 'ban this gun, ban that gun' is that
          1. there are already 300+ million guns in this country
          2. the hardcore bad guys (and insane people) are already armed to the teeth
          3. the hardcore bad guys (and insane people) aren't going to give their weapons up
          4. in the result of some 'ban', the hardcore bad guys (and insane people) can just get more weapons on the street


          What hardcore gun control advocates don't get is...ummm...everything i just mentioned.

          Honestly I don't know what the right answer is, but if you think gun control laws are the solution, you're being terribly unrealistic.
          Arguing whether the Democratic or Republican party is better is like debating which steaming pile of shit is slightly less stinky.

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          • L-Pink
            working on my tan
            • Mar 2005
            • 39151

            #6
            Originally posted by DTK
            The whole problem with 'ban this gun, ban that gun' is that
            1. there are already 300+ million guns in this country
            2. the hardcore bad guys (and insane people) are already armed to the teeth
            3. the hardcore bad guys (and insane people) aren't going to give their weapons up
            4. in the result of some 'ban', the hardcore bad guys (and insane people) can just get more weapons on the street


            What hardcore gun control advocates don't get is...ummm...everything i just mentioned.

            Honestly I don't know what the right answer is, but if you think gun control laws are the solution, you're being terribly unrealistic.



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            • epitome
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              • Jun 2009
              • 12156

              #7
              Anyone that actually knows DC knows that the murder rate has gone down. In the last decade a lot of the SE and parts of NE were gobbled up and revitalized. The criminal element moved to neighboring Prince Georges Co. where the murder rate soared.

              Something similar happened in Baltimore with Section 8 housing but on a much smaller scale.

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              • L-Pink
                working on my tan
                • Mar 2005
                • 39151

                #8
                Originally posted by epitome
                Anyone that actually knows DC knows that the murder rate has gone down. In the last decade a lot of the SE and parts of NE were gobbled up and revitalized. The criminal element moved to neighboring Prince Georges Co. where the murder rate soared.

                Something similar happened in Baltimore with Section 8 housing but on a much smaller scale.
                When I was 21 I worked on K St, SW ???. rough neighborhood at the time.

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                • DTK
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                  • Feb 2002
                  • 4546

                  #9
                  Originally posted by L-Pink


                  .
                  If this board had a "thanks" button, I'd click it
                  Arguing whether the Democratic or Republican party is better is like debating which steaming pile of shit is slightly less stinky.

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                  • epitome
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                    • Jun 2009
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by L-Pink
                    When I was 21 I worked on K St, SW ???. rough neighborhood at the time.
                    Then the stadium and yuppies came for their $2500 two bedroom apartment rentals.

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                    • epitome
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                      • Jun 2009
                      • 12156

                      #11
                      Originally posted by DTK
                      The whole problem with 'ban this gun, ban that gun' is that
                      1. there are already 300+ million guns in this country
                      2. the hardcore bad guys (and insane people) are already armed to the teeth
                      3. the hardcore bad guys (and insane people) aren't going to give their weapons up
                      4. in the result of some 'ban', the hardcore bad guys (and insane people) can just get more weapons on the street


                      What hardcore gun control advocates don't get is...ummm...everything i just mentioned.

                      Honestly I don't know what the right answer is, but if you think gun control laws are the solution, you're being terribly unrealistic.
                      And what hardcore gun owners don't understand is that there are millions of people living without guns and doing just fine... With those hundreds of millions of guns all around them.

                      Sane gun owners don't worry me but fanatics in general scare me.

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                      • DTK
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                        • Feb 2002
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by StickyGreen
                        I don't know why people think you can stop bad things from happening without creating a total orwellian society...
                        Right, because in a a total orwellian society, the govt would have a monopoly on doing bad things. Except they wouldn't be bad things because the orwellian govt would be perpetrating said bad acts. Which would make them good acts because the orwellian govt committed them and.....fuck, my eyes just crossed.
                        Arguing whether the Democratic or Republican party is better is like debating which steaming pile of shit is slightly less stinky.

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                        • DTK
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                          • Feb 2002
                          • 4546

                          #13
                          Originally posted by epitome
                          And what hardcore gun owners don't understand is that there are millions of people living without guns and doing just fine... With those hundreds of millions of guns all around them.

                          Sane gun owners don't worry me but fanatics in general scare me.
                          You didn't address my real point at all.
                          Arguing whether the Democratic or Republican party is better is like debating which steaming pile of shit is slightly less stinky.

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                          • epitome
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                            • Jun 2009
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by DTK
                            You didn't address my real point at all.
                            Your point is the bad people will still have or get guns. I don't dispute that.

                            I am just casually mentioning that some of the gun nuts that seem to post here worry me as much as those bad people everybody else is worried about.

                            Or that is what I was trying to say.

                            Fanatical people scare me.

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                            • buzzard
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                              • Aug 2002
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                              #15
                              That's how their plan to disarm citizens goes. Just like every tyrannical government has done the same since history of man...
                              Incrementally, One step at a time.

                              Ban Guns From Government.

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                              • buzzard
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                                • Aug 2002
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by epitome
                                And what hardcore gun owners don't understand is that there are millions of people living without guns and doing just fine... With those hundreds of millions of guns all around them.

                                Sane gun owners don't worry me but fanatics in general scare me.
                                Panties in a bunch? I think you're scared of more than just guns, and like it

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                                • AdultPornMasta
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by epitome
                                  How many of those murders happened outside of the ghetto where the victim and shooter were not known to each other?

                                  Most of those deaths are drug and gang related, just like in Baltimore, DC, St. Louis or any other city with those same problems.
                                  Thus spake The King:



                                  It ain't the guns.

                                  "The world is full of obvious things which nobody by any chance ever observes."

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                                  • NETbilling
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                                    • Jan 2002
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                                    #18
                                    An assault weapons ban would take several years to see any effects and thats ok with me. Do it now and let our children and theirs reap the benefits.


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                                    • buzzard
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                                      • Aug 2002
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by NETbilling
                                      An assault weapons ban would take several years to see any effects and thats ok with me. Do it now and let our children and theirs reap the benefits.
                                      Good Lord... And I'm Not Religious!

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                                      • Rochard
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                                        • Dec 2001
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Vendzilla

                                        Yet Chicago ( This is where Obama came from) has just passed 500 murders with over 2,500 being shot, 63 murdered (http://crimeinchicago.blogspot.com/2...n-chicago.html 454 have been shot)were children for the year. Which puts a shadow on the idea that banning assault weapons or spending the time doing so is a waste of time.
                                        You must have missed this discussion. Yes, Chicago just passed 500 murders. However, this is part of a downward trend - it used to be nearly twice as much.
                                        Herschel Savage
                                        Brooklyn, NY

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                                        • epitome
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                                          • Jun 2009
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by buzzard
                                          Panties in a bunch? I think you're scared of more than just guns, and like it
                                          I'm not afraid of guns. They're all around me every day and I give zero thought to them. I just think they're stupid. My Mom took me to the range as a teen so I at least knew how to shoot. It's dumb.

                                          Speaking of afraid, are you afraid to post under your real nick?

                                          Want to know what does scare me? Knives. Whenever I see someone handling one I get the mental image of it tearing through skin and it sends chills up my spine.

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                                          • epitome
                                            So Fucking Lame
                                            • Jun 2009
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Rochard
                                            You must have missed this discussion. Yes, Chicago just passed 500 murders. However, this is part of a downward trend - it used to be nearly twice as much.
                                            Holy shit. In 1991 Chicago had 927 murders.

                                            Why are they even freaking out about 500 this year when they had more than that as recently as 2008? Even in 2003 they were over 600/yr.

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                                            • CheeseFrog
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                                              • Dec 2003
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                                              #23
                                              Hunting rifles and sporting shotguns, sure... not a problem. However, I think we need to outlaw military caliber weapons, period. Ban the sale, transfer, and possession -- just like they do in Mexico.
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                                              • buzzard
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                                                • Aug 2002
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by epitome
                                                I'm not afraid of guns. They're all around me every day and I give zero thought to them. I just think they're stupid. My Mom took me to the range as a teen so I at least knew how to shoot. It's dumb.

                                                Speaking of afraid, are you afraid to post under your real nick?

                                                Want to know what does scare me? Knives. Whenever I see someone handling one I get the mental image of it tearing through skin and it sends chills up my spine.
                                                It's not dumb. It's living under government tyranny or not. I choose Not.
                                                Knives would be slow death, you're right.
                                                I might have a nick older than this one, let me check... lol

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                                                • BIGTYMER
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                                                  • Nov 2004
                                                  • 17066

                                                  #25
                                                  Most of the chitown murders are gang related.

                                                  Gangbangers don't give a fuck about gun laws.

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                                                  • buzzard
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                                                    • Aug 2002
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by CheeseFrog
                                                    Hunting rifles and sporting shotguns, sure... not a problem. However, I think we need to outlaw military caliber weapons, period. Ban the sale, transfer, and possession -- just like they do in Mexico.
                                                    Heya Pointless, You do know the story on Mexico, Right???

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                                                    • Rochard
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by epitome
                                                      Holy shit. In 1991 Chicago had 927 murders.

                                                      Why are they even freaking out about 500 this year when they had more than that as recently as 2008? Even in 2003 they were over 600/yr.
                                                      The gun nuts seem to believe this is proof that gun bans create more crime, even thought Chicago is on a downward trend.

                                                      They also like to debate about the UK and how gun laws there created more crime, yet gun crime in the UK is one tenth what is is in the US. The firearm death rate in the US is 10.2 per 100k, while in the UK it's .25 per 100k citizens. That's a huge difference.

                                                      You need to apply common sense here - more guns equals more gun crimes. It's pretty simple straight forward math. If you have one thousand people with guns, you'll have "x" amount of crime. You have three million people with guns you will have a lot more gun crime. Period.

                                                      I am a gun owner myself, but it scares the piss out of me that anyone can get a firearm so easily. I have to take three tests to get a driver's license AND have to update it each year, AND I have to register my car with the government... On the other hand with a firearm the only real restriction to owning a firearm is having the government check to make sure you aren't a felon... Mental health isn't even a consideration. That's fucking insane.
                                                      Herschel Savage
                                                      Brooklyn, NY

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                                                      • Rochard
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by buzzard
                                                        Heya Pointless, You do know the story on Mexico, Right???
                                                        Yeah, we know the story. The cartels can't get the guns in Mexico so they get them from the US....
                                                        Herschel Savage
                                                        Brooklyn, NY

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                                                        • StickyGreen
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                                                          • Oct 2003
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by CheeseFrog
                                                          Hunting rifles and sporting shotguns, sure... not a problem. However, I think we need to outlaw military caliber weapons, period. Ban the sale, transfer, and possession -- just like they do in Mexico.
                                                          Why would you outlaw those weapons? They are the most efficient weapons. The 2nd Amendment is about protecting our free state... so if that day ever comes wouldn't you want the most efficient weapons to fight back with? Why limit ourselves?
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                                                          • Vendzilla
                                                            Biker Gnome
                                                            • Mar 2004
                                                            • 23200

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by CheeseFrog
                                                            Hunting rifles and sporting shotguns, sure... not a problem. However, I think we need to outlaw military caliber weapons, period. Ban the sale, transfer, and possession -- just like they do in Mexico.
                                                            And what exactly is a military caliber? AR-15 shoots a .223, that's a hunting caliber also.
                                                            M1 Carbine, vintage WWII is a .30 caliber pistol round and Garand uses a 30.06, then there are all the automatic weapons that use the 9mm. BTW, Mexico is a bad example of anything working for gun control

                                                            Originally posted by Rochard
                                                            You must have missed this discussion. Yes, Chicago just passed 500 murders. However, this is part of a downward trend - it used to be nearly twice as much.
                                                            1990: 851
                                                            1991: 927
                                                            1992: 943
                                                            1993: 855
                                                            1994: 931
                                                            1995: 828
                                                            1996: 796
                                                            1997: 761
                                                            1998: 704
                                                            1999: 643
                                                            2000: 633
                                                            2001: 667
                                                            2002: 656
                                                            2003: 601
                                                            2004: 453
                                                            2005: 451
                                                            2006: 471
                                                            2007: 448
                                                            2008: 513
                                                            2009: 459
                                                            2010: 436
                                                            2011: 433

                                                            You could also say it's at a 4 year high? Please tell me where 500 murders in a city annually is a good thing?

                                                            Originally posted by NETbilling
                                                            An assault weapons ban would take several years to see any effects and thats ok with me. Do it now and let our children and theirs reap the benefits.
                                                            Not working for Chicago, most murders are not done with Assault Weapons. I really don't know where you guys think that getting rid of a type of weapon will reduce crime in any way? During the last ban on assault style weapons is when the Columbine shooting took place.
                                                            Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                            think about that

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                                                            • Vendzilla
                                                              Biker Gnome
                                                              • Mar 2004
                                                              • 23200

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Rochard

                                                              You need to apply common sense here - more guns equals more gun crimes. It's pretty simple straight forward math. If you have one thousand people with guns, you'll have "x" amount of crime. You have three million people with guns you will have a lot more gun crime. Period.

                                                              .
                                                              except for Kennesaw Geogia where overall crime has decreased by more than 50% between 1982 and 2005. In 1982 a city ordinance was passed to put a gun in every house in the city.
                                                              Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                              think about that

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                                                              • pimpmaster9000
                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                • Dec 2011
                                                                • 26732

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Vendzilla

                                                                1990: 851
                                                                1991: 927
                                                                1992: 943
                                                                1993: 855
                                                                1994: 931
                                                                1995: 828
                                                                1996: 796
                                                                1997: 761
                                                                1998: 704
                                                                1999: 643
                                                                2000: 633
                                                                2001: 667
                                                                2002: 656
                                                                2003: 601
                                                                2004: 453
                                                                2005: 451
                                                                2006: 471
                                                                2007: 448
                                                                2008: 513
                                                                2009: 459
                                                                2010: 436
                                                                2011: 433

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                                                                wow...thats more than my entire country just in one city...the only figures I can dig up for my 3rd world shit hole is 280 murders total in 2009 and around 100 of them where from guns...that is an entire country with like 7 million people that is packed to the tooth with weapons after 2 wars in the last decade...

                                                                its not the guns...its the people...
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                                                                • L-Pink
                                                                  working on my tan
                                                                  • Mar 2005
                                                                  • 39151

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by crucifissio
                                                                  its not the guns...its the people...

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                                                                  • Gozarian
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                                                                    • Jun 2012
                                                                    • 558

                                                                    #34
                                                                    And all you guys call yourself webmasters lol! Enough with all the yapping.

                                                                    Almost EVERY study undertaken admits that tough or lenient gun laws are tertiary considerations to
                                                                    population density and poverty as predictors of murder rates.

                                                                    Further, the below data show just how small firearm crime is when compared to every other cause of death as reported by the FBI. But dont let the facts get in the way of argument. Read the data, it is freely available and ANY 'webmaster' should they have a modicum of sense to find it, IF they really wish to.

                                                                    Data from FBI Crimes and Statistics annual reports 2001-2011 (within the last 10 mins).

                                                                    Murder by firearm (not including US Virgin Islands)
                                                                    2001 - 8890
                                                                    2002 - 9528
                                                                    2003 - 9659
                                                                    2004 - 9326
                                                                    2005 - 10100
                                                                    2006 - 10177
                                                                    2007 - 10086
                                                                    2008 - 9484
                                                                    2009 - 9146
                                                                    2010 - 8734
                                                                    2011 - 8552 lowest since 1981

                                                                    If you REALLY want to see a major decline in total firearm deaths, cure depression as 64% of ALL firearm deaths (not murder) are suicides.
                                                                    Last edited by Gozarian; 12-31-2012, 04:23 AM. Reason: spelling

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                                                                    • CyberHustler
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                                                                      • Feb 2006
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Chicago might be on an overall downward "trend" from the crack era like the rest of the country, but they still manged to murder more people this year than NYC, a city with about 5 million more people.

                                                                      Also they have some of the tightest gun laws in the nation and: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_16...s-of-stopping/

                                                                      Chicago has seized more guns this year than New York and Los Angeles combined.
                                                                      Gun laws don't matter, that shit IS crazy... not hype. And we aint even talking about Detroit or Philadelphia yet, cities way worse than Chicago.
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                                                                      • Rochard
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                                                                        • Dec 2001
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                        except for Kennesaw Geogia where overall crime has decreased by more than 50% between 1982 and 2005. In 1982 a city ordinance was passed to put a gun in every house in the city.
                                                                        No one has ever heard of Kennesaw, Geogia. Switzerland has firearms in every house, yet has a higher gun death rate than the UK which has no firearms.

                                                                        But let's talk about Kennesaw... They claim to have low crime rates, and then I find this:
                                                                        http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1818862/posts

                                                                        We are talking about a city with 30k poeple in it, and yet in 2004 they had 172 assaults and 86 Burglaries.... Yet we have this gem: "Gun rights activist David Kopel has claimed that there is evidence that this gun law has reduced the incident rate of home burglaries citing that in the first year, home burglaries dropped from 65 before the ordinance, down to 26 in 1983, and to 11 in 1984." So home burglaries went down from 65 to 26 to 11 and then jumped up 86 in 2004? I mean, I'm not searching too hard for stats here and I am quickly able to disprove your fact.

                                                                        Let's compare Kennesaw to my hometown of Lincoln, California. Kennesaw has 30k, Lincoln California has 40k. Kennesaw has a "mandatory gun law" and Lincoln does not.

                                                                        http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/lincoln/crime/
                                                                        http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ga/kennesaw/crime/

                                                                        Kennesaw is safer than 35% of US Cities, while Lincoln is 72% safer than all US Cities? We had a murder in Lincoln which was earth shattering for us, the first in decades.

                                                                        So my city with no mandatory gun is twice as safe as your town with it?
                                                                        Herschel Savage
                                                                        Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                        • Rochard
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by Vendzilla

                                                                          You could also say it's at a 4 year high? Please tell me where 500 murders in a city annually is a good thing?
                                                                          500 murders in Chicago is a good thing because it's not the 900 murders they had before the strict gun laws. Don't you get it? The gun laws reduced murders by half....
                                                                          Herschel Savage
                                                                          Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                          • ajrocks
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            gun laws are an issue but the bigger issue and this is an issue in Canada as well is our crappy legal and prison systems. We release repeat violent offenders again and again. Keep criminals in hard labor camps, people who murder or rape and it can be proved by video or DNA should be put to death so tax payers aren't drained to keep these douche bags in prison.

                                                                            People need to know if they do these crimes they are never getting out, then the number will go down. Increasing gun laws isn't really going to help. Most crimes are done using illegal arms, not ones the average user goes and buys for their homes.
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                                                                            • Rochard
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by ajrocks
                                                                              gun laws are an issue but the bigger issue and this is an issue in Canada as well is our crappy legal and prison systems. We release repeat violent offenders again and again. Keep criminals in hard labor camps, people who murder or rape and it can be proved by video or DNA should be put to death so tax payers aren't drained to keep these douche bags in prison.
                                                                              Just like that guy who shot the firefighters. He killed his fucking grandmother with a fucking hammer, and yet they let him out of prison. Hello?

                                                                              Originally posted by ajrocks
                                                                              Increasing gun laws isn't really going to help. Most crimes are done using illegal arms, not ones the average user goes and buys for their homes.
                                                                              I disagree. The shooting at the school in CT was done by legally purchased firearms, which is usually the case in mass murders. If there was a law banning firearms from houses where there are people with mental health issues, it's most likely this shooting would not have taken place. If background checks were really background checks - meaning someone went out and talked to the potential gun owner and interviewed them they might have discovered that her son had mental health issues and she would have been denied permission to buy or own a firearm.
                                                                              Herschel Savage
                                                                              Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                              • epitome
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                Just like that guy who shot the firefighters. He killed his fucking grandmother with a fucking hammer, and yet they let him out of prison. Hello?



                                                                                I disagree. The shooting at the school in CT was done by legally purchased firearms, which is usually the case in mass murders. If there was a law banning firearms from houses where there are people with mental health issues, it's most likely this shooting would not have taken place. If background checks were really background checks - meaning someone went out and talked to the potential gun owner and interviewed them they might have discovered that her son had mental health issues and she would have been denied permission to buy or own a firearm.
                                                                                Let's not forget that the guns used to kill the firefighters were bought by his 24 year old neighbor who purchased them on his behalf since he was unable to.

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                                                                                • Tom_PM
                                                                                  Porn Meister
                                                                                  • Feb 2005
                                                                                  • 16443

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Hey. I have a question for you. Do you think your puny lock on your door is going to stop someone who really wants to get in to your house? Then why do you bother locking it?

                                                                                  According to some, it's hopeless and useless to try to regulate something.. anything.. once the ball is already rolling. Give up now and jump in a volcano or something I guess, it's hopeless. Utterly hopeless.
                                                                                  43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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                                                                                  • tony286
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                                                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                                                    • 57021

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    I got a question for Rochard since he trained people on firearms. Do they know the percentage of people that have a gun and freeze in a crisis situation?
                                                                                    Everyone assumes the inner James Bond kicks but I got to figure that's not the case.

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                                                                                    • tony286
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                                                                                      • Aug 2002
                                                                                      • 57021

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by PR_Tom
                                                                                      Hey. I have a question for you. Do you think your puny lock on your door is going to stop someone who really wants to get in to your house? Then why do you bother locking it?

                                                                                      According to some, it's hopeless and useless to try to regulate something.. anything.. once the ball is already rolling. Give up now and jump in a volcano or something I guess, it's hopeless. Utterly hopeless.
                                                                                      You could of said that about slavery, child labor but it changed. The NRA works for the gun business not the people. The gun business makes big money on military type hardware. So the idea to ask a few more questions is the end of the world because it slows down gun sales.
                                                                                      Go start buying a shit ton of cold meds,which you will be asked for id and you are tracked. After a while they will stop selling it to you and you will get a knock on your door asking why you needed all those meds.
                                                                                      But go buy 6000 rounds of ammo no one will ask you anything. Something is wrong with that.

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                                                                                      • Gozarian
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Jun 2012
                                                                                        • 558

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        You better have a wad of cash for 6000 rounds of my favorite firearm; they cost $7 apiece.

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                                                                                        • Vendzilla
                                                                                          Biker Gnome
                                                                                          • Mar 2004
                                                                                          • 23200

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by tony286
                                                                                          I got a question for Rochard since he trained people on firearms. Do they know the percentage of people that have a gun and freeze in a crisis situation?
                                                                                          Everyone assumes the inner James Bond kicks but I got to figure that's not the case.
                                                                                          Most people that hunt, they know. That's why you go to the range and practice. Just the same with Martial Arts. You go over and over the same moves so that it comes naturally when the time is it's needed. I took my daughter to the range almost every month. It was close and it was fun.
                                                                                          The military actually has tests to see who would make a good sniper, not by ability with a rifle, but being able to coldly pull the trigger
                                                                                          Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                          think about that

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                                                                                          • Vendzilla
                                                                                            Biker Gnome
                                                                                            • Mar 2004
                                                                                            • 23200

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by tony286
                                                                                            You could of said that about slavery, child labor but it changed. The NRA works for the gun business not the people. The gun business makes big money on military type hardware. So the idea to ask a few more questions is the end of the world because it slows down gun sales.
                                                                                            Go start buying a shit ton of cold meds,which you will be asked for id and you are tracked. After a while they will stop selling it to you and you will get a knock on your door asking why you needed all those meds.
                                                                                            But go buy 6000 rounds of ammo no one will ask you anything. Something is wrong with that.
                                                                                            you didn't read the OP. Chicago requires a state issued permit to buy ammo
                                                                                            Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                            think about that

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                                                                                            • Vendzilla
                                                                                              Biker Gnome
                                                                                              • Mar 2004
                                                                                              • 23200

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by PR_Tom
                                                                                              Hey. I have a question for you. Do you think your puny lock on your door is going to stop someone who really wants to get in to your house? Then why do you bother locking it?

                                                                                              According to some, it's hopeless and useless to try to regulate something.. anything.. once the ball is already rolling. Give up now and jump in a volcano or something I guess, it's hopeless. Utterly hopeless.
                                                                                              Tom, that was pretty lame,what myself and others have been saying is not that regulation doesn't work, what we are saying is that regulating legal ownership is a mute point when it doesn't apply to illegal owners and that the regulations that the idiots in congress come up with are so full of holes because that's the way they like to do things that anything they pass is pretty much worthless. Chicago has more regulations than any place I know of in the US and it doesn't work
                                                                                              Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                              think about that

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                                                                                              • Vendzilla
                                                                                                Biker Gnome
                                                                                                • Mar 2004
                                                                                                • 23200

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                                No one has ever heard of Kennesaw, Geogia. Switzerland has firearms in every house, yet has a higher gun death rate than the UK which has no firearms.

                                                                                                But let's talk about Kennesaw... They claim to have low crime rates, and then I find this:
                                                                                                http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1818862/posts

                                                                                                We are talking about a city with 30k poeple in it, and yet in 2004 they had 172 assaults and 86 Burglaries.... Yet we have this gem: "Gun rights activist David Kopel has claimed that there is evidence that this gun law has reduced the incident rate of home burglaries citing that in the first year, home burglaries dropped from 65 before the ordinance, down to 26 in 1983, and to 11 in 1984." So home burglaries went down from 65 to 26 to 11 and then jumped up 86 in 2004? I mean, I'm not searching too hard for stats here and I am quickly able to disprove your fact.

                                                                                                Let's compare Kennesaw to my hometown of Lincoln, California. Kennesaw has 30k, Lincoln California has 40k. Kennesaw has a "mandatory gun law" and Lincoln does not.

                                                                                                http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/lincoln/crime/
                                                                                                http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ga/kennesaw/crime/

                                                                                                Kennesaw is safer than 35% of US Cities, while Lincoln is 72% safer than all US Cities? We had a murder in Lincoln which was earth shattering for us, the first in decades.

                                                                                                So my city with no mandatory gun is twice as safe as your town with it?

                                                                                                You can't compare European gun laws to US gun laws, I've heard of Kennesaw, when they passed that law, a lot of people heard of it, it was a big thing. And what ever you try to pick apart in the stats for Kennesaw, it's still over 50% less crime overall. Not about Lincoln, it's about more guns being added and crime going down
                                                                                                Real simple, if you are looking to commit a crime, you don't hit a house with NRA decals in the window, and you don't hit the donut shop next to the police station
                                                                                                Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                think about that

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                                                                                                • Gozarian
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Jun 2012
                                                                                                  • 558

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Hell I remember when I lived in Chicago the feds raided the El Rukn 'Temple' they found several rocket launchers. Jeff Fort was a serious wack job. Good thing he is in SuperMax.

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                                                                                                  • Vendzilla
                                                                                                    Biker Gnome
                                                                                                    • Mar 2004
                                                                                                    • 23200

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                                    500 murders in Chicago is a good thing because it's not the 900 murders they had before the strict gun laws. Don't you get it? The gun laws reduced murders by half....
                                                                                                    most of the strict gun laws came into effect before the 900 murders( 1994 being the last year above 900) the biggest were passed in 1982. Don't you get it? 1992 is when they passed the assault weapons ban, but hand guns ban was passed in 1982.

                                                                                                    The gun laws have done very little, just unarmed legal ownership.
                                                                                                    Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                    think about that

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