At least here we know the politicians are crooks and most, sadly, wear it as a badge of honor. In America its biz as usual "what me?" while the right hand is behind the back taking the $ and fucking someone.
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I know the pundits clouded your mind. But lets think about a few things. If you are elected to congress or the senate whats one of your main jobs? To bring money to your state. They showed an example of that during the election Paul "the budget hawk" Ryan asking multiple times for stimulus money for his state. If you cant go back and say I brought this back you dont get reelected.
Also as long as Humans are in gov it will never be pure. In the constitution slaves had no rights and there were people who had a problem with that but the author had a shitload of slaves. So he was taking care of his interests.
Also we see all the time guys in office forever get voted out. You dont like Harry what did you do to get him out besides bitch on gfy? People can still change things, look at gay rights, those people work tirelessly to make that happen and its happening.
Also something else interesting the Thomas Jefferson lines about fighting and blood and he never fought in the war. He wrote great documents but he was a young man there is no excuse why he didnt take up arms.You never hear the people who were actually in battle making the chicken hawk statements. I guess things really do never change.Last edited by tony286; 12-30-2012, 06:28 AM.Comment
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Guns don't make revolutions, ideas do.
You win the majority over to your way of thinking and you can take power.
The army defected to the people in the Russian Revolution etc...
Societies without guns look on with in credulity at the USA killing its own children.
Do you think we all despair that we can't change the government because we have no guns?
More important to have a better TV and mass media than guns.
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I can think of a few reasons this is a bad idea.
First, maybe they don't want to. They've seen enough shit and horror to last them a lifetime.
Next, it's expensive. Assuming they would be paid what an average security guard makes ($55k) it would cost $4 Billion a year to place one in every school across the US
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1. They are still on active duty and are collecting a paycheck.
2. The average armed security guard ... What good might that do is questionable -- let's not discuss his shooting abilities. It would cost little to station active duty soldiers that are collecting a paycheck on guard duty at schools.
3. If you are in the armed forces what you like to do is of little issue;
You carry out any legal order -- that is what you are paid to do -- in a volunteer army by that soldier's choice -- he enlisted ...
4. It's a band-aide we cant find and lockup every psycho-killer from society unfortunately.
5. It's already illegal to carry a firearm into a school unless you are a allowed person.
So the real question is why was this guy not stopped -- he carried concealed weapons into a school and that is a crime. "Lanza was found dead next to three guns, a semi-automatic .223-caliber Bushmaster rifle and two pistols made by Glock and Sig Sauer, a law enforcement source told CNN." The guy was a nutjob, he intended to massacre -- you might not stop one maniac.
In the end, this may result on some restriction on the future sale of "assault weapons." No law can be ex-post facto and as long as the right to bear arms is guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment what arms are possessed legally are legal to own.
I guess we US citizens will have to decide on that 44 billion you assert as the rent-a-cop cost; That would cost the 120 Million US taxpayers [133,457,468 tax returns 2011] less than $40.00 a year. I would think there would be support for the bearing of this cost.
However, one rent-a-cop with a side arm is a limited solution. A few soldiers with automatic weapons and well trained in their use seems a more effective deterrent. That in itself will not stop some psycho but knowing that he would be facing down soldiers with flack jackets and fully auto rifles might scare a psycho off.
In spite of all the drama, and I am not diminishing this tragedy in any way, there will always be a problem of violence here, also gun violence for reason of our right to own firearms.
People were killing each other with rocks, spears, swords, and arrows for years. It is just the nature of some of mankind to murder. Should we outlaw Machetes too? They can be used to hack people to death, e.g.; Rwanda. Had the victims been armed in Rwanda, or guarded, might they not have been victims? Or at least, less of them and that is the point -- less pointless deaths.
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So you think it's okay for all that pork barrel spending (bribing) to get Congress to pass an emergency bill to help hurricane victims?
Of course you don't.
But if you read your post Tony, you too used it for politics. You started attacking Republicans. What does that have to do with what I am pointing out?
The federal govt. is a bunch of crooks. It doesn't matter what political party they claim to be in. The whole thing is nothing more than a GIANT money collection agency. The rest is just for show.
And if you think that any politician in Washington D.C. really gives a shit about your "safety" then you are sadly mistaken.
They are all packing guns and surrounded with guns. And their kids are surrounded with guns.
It's just like everything else they do in Washington...from spending more than they take in, to the schools they send THEIR children to (private schools), to their health care (single pay...govt. funded), to their ability to play the market with inside information, and the list goes on and on.
What is GREAT for them...is no good for peasants like you and I.
Guns, private school, health care, insider trading, spending "free" money like a drunken sailor...that's for those ELITE Democrat and Republican crooks in Washington D.C. to do.
We are all expected to live under their heels and pay them for the privilege. And if a tiny percentage of us are still able to rise up and live the same lifestyle that the politicians do (the EVIL rich people), then they use the media to get people to resent that and have culture warfare.
The people we SHOULD be angry at and protesting...are the lifetime corrupt politicians in Washington D.C.
You know, the way REAL liberals did in the 1960's and 1970's when the REAL press didn't take their marching orders from Washington and actually investigated and reported the bullshit that the govt. was pulling.-Robbie
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Real Americans only shoot guns made by Americans.
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"posse comitatus" is a Federal law from the US Civil War Era. There is no specific ban on using the Military as a police force other that what is written into this Act of Congress.
The US Coast Guard is a "Federal Police Force" patrolling on US Soil they are part of the US Armed Forces. They perform may criminal apprehensions side by side with Federal police authorities.18 USC ยง 1385 - Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus
Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, wilfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
Preamble
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, ...
I think that bodily threat to our children assembled in public school buildings would pass muster of being within the framers' intents.
Schools are the primary responsibility of the States however their Governors are empowered to enforce law and order by use of the State Militia (National Guard) when deemed necessary.
Does protecting schoolchildren from psycho-killers seem in light of recent events necessary? There are not enough police to do this nor should there be -- we have trained soldiers that will have no wars to fight soon -- this is something constructive that they can do.
The gutless Congress could intervene in a positive and constructive manner, which in many ways; "except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by (the Constitution or ) [an] Act of Congress" denotes that they have the power to.
They are our children and we are responsible for their safety.
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Fuck you, dude. You're a whiner. It's that "can't do" spirit of yours that really screws the country.
What were the abolitionists thinking? What were the suffragists thinking? What were the union organizers thinking? What were the gays who wanted marriage equality thinking? They all should have done nothing - everyone knows nothing can change. They were living in a dream world.
You've got the right idea - just throw up your hands, and let the lobbyists go about their business completely unopposed. The patriotism is so moving.
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I voted. And I voted for Gary Johnson a Libertarian.
You voted for a bloodthirsty Democrat because you THINK he's a "liberal".
I did my part to really change things. You didn't. You voted for status quo.
The only one whining is you. I'm telling you straight up...you are just another of the oh so common faux "liberals" who don't truly believe in freedom for themselves.
It's just the way you were conditioned to think. I was the same way 20 years ago. I opened my eyes as I grew older and saw the scams all around me.
I can't change your mind...but experience will change it for you as your eyes slowly open over the years like mine did.-Robbie
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