The NRA Myth of Arming the Good Guys

I agree with the rest of your post, but not this part.

Number one...the British Army & Navy was the most powerful one on Earth at that time (just like the U.S. is now). So yes, their fire power, quality of weapons (their "muskets" didn't jam or blow up in their faces for instance) were far superior to what the Continental "Army" had.

And the Civil War example was to show you that YES if a group were organized (like the CSA was) and had it's own manufacturing and former USA generals and forts and equipment come over to their side...then YES it can definitely pose a credible threat to the federal govt.

Today's US military versus citizens with assault rifles doesn't remotely compare to the north versus the south.

Guns aren't addictive substances. Totally different

more people drinking isn't going to cut down on drunk driving

A ban on alcohol didn't cut down on people drinking either. And it created crime syndicates too.

You're missing my point

Of course if it was just a few guys with guns the outcome would be immediate.

But if (just like the civil war), half the military were to defect to the people trying to overthrow a tyrannical govt. then it would be a different situation.

It's not gonna happen anyway. But I'm just pointing out that once the citizenry is disarmed...then even that tiny bit of possibility is gone.

But I do absolutely believe that if somehow our govt. went "rogue" and people rose up against it en-mass then the results would be very different than the US military vs. a few guys with guns.

The military would think twice before killing their own families and friends. Especially if the mood of the country was so anti-govt. at the time and large portions of the military began defecting.

It just happened in Libya, and it's happening in Syria.

Again, I'm not saying that will happen here. Tony is right...Americans have it too good. We are all more worried about getting the newest tech gadget than we are about our freedom and rights.

So if enough people in this country really want to disarm themselves...then the 2nd amendment should be scrapped.

Anything else is unconstitutional and just us arguing over nothing.

Maybe you guys are right. We are all doomed anyway and slaves to the govt. In that case, let's just get rid of the 2nd amendment and move forward from there wherever it may take us.

Hell, this country is probably gonna limp along in a somewhat recognizable form during our lifetimes anyway. Let the people 100 years from now worry about not having a 2nd amendment right to bear arms. We'll all probably be long dead before the U.S. govt. becomes completely tyrannical.

Hmm, I'm not sure what your argument is. Are you implying that drugs are addictive and so that is why people will find a way to get it no matter what? I would agree with that. But isn't it true that people greatly value freedom and security from others who intend them harm. Those are forces that are very strong drives as well and a reason why people will go to great lengths to get guns.

If the goal is to stop violent crimes from happening, I don't think banning guns is the solution.

The thought many people have is that if there are less guns there will be less gun related crimes. That leads people to think "hey, let's ban guns".

There are 2 problems with this.

1) Gun bans will not prevent criminals from getting guns. Disarming lawful citizens prevents them from protecting themselves. The risk to a criminal is now decreased and disarmed citizens are much easier prey. As a result this will only increase crime. A gun ban will widen the gap disparity between criminals and citizens ability to protect themselves (in favor of the criminals).

2) If the concentration of guns determines the likelihood of violent crimes then wouldn't a gun show be the most likely place for a massacre, not schools? The fact is that there is less crime in areas of high gun ownership.

In the presence of well armed citizens, the probability of pulling off a successful crime is much less and the risk of bodily harm to a criminal is much greater.

In order to rationalize a gun ban, it must first be proven that decreasing guns per capita will reduce crime and that implementing a gun ban will indeed reduce the amount of criminals with guns. I think both of those assumptions are false but I am open to changing my mind should a rational argument and supporting evidence be presented.

The government is US. We The People. Stop trying to turn it into "them".

The problem is when government stops being US. When $$$ corrupts the system, We The People aren't heard. When people can't be bothered to learn the names of their Congressmen and Senators, the system gets away from us.

I recall something that comes before this...something about being "well regulated"...hmmmm.

What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.
-- Thomas Jefferson

Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property... Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them.
--Thomas Paine

Guns is cool man

You know that's not true. It long ago went out of the people's hands and became totally corrupt.

Did you decide to "experiment" on poor black people and deliberately give them STD's and fake treatments just to see what would happen to them? No? Me neither.

Did YOU decide to go to an undeclared war in Vietnam? Nope? Me neither.

Did YOU decide to have our CIA promote disruption and destabilization of govt.'s and assassinate leaders in South and Central America? Nope? Me neither.

Did YOU decide to start a "war on drugs" against the citizens of this country? No? Me neither.

Did YOU decide to invade Afghanistan when a handful of guys with box cutters hijacked and crashed planes on 9-11? No? Me neither.

Did YOU decide to invade Iraq "pre-emptively"? No? Me either.

GrantMercury...our govt. is NOT "us". It's a group of totally corrupt lifetime politicians who are bleeding this country dry.

I seriously can not understand how any liberal minded person would want to give the govt. more money and more control over our lives.
The liberal people I saw when I was young in the 1960's and 1970's were all about FREEDOM and protested against govt. control of their lives.

This is like some kind of bizarro world where everything is upside down.

I think that in time you and many others are going to come to regret your faux liberalism view of handing the govt. everything and taking your own rights and money away.

??? WTF are you going on about? Get a grip.

Who fucking throws out corrupt lifetime politicians? WE DO. Who demands changes in laws that aren't working? WE DO. We can have the country we want. But people have to fucking give a shit. People have to pay attention. People have to read newspapers. People have to think in the abstract. People have to know and regularly contact their lawmakers. People have to fucking VOTE! Forty percent don't even bother to do that. So why do you think the crooks have taken over?

The government certainly isn't ALL bad. And the shit that's not working can be fixed IF WE INSIST on it. THAT is the beauty of America. THAT is the genius of the Constitution.

Bellyaching about corruption and giving up is bullshit. Every positive piece of legislation passed in government came about because the people demanded it, and in some cases fought for it, and even died for it. There have been so many positive changes in America's short history. None of it happened as a result of people sitting on their asses, throwing up their hands, and moaning about "gubment".

And who ever said anything about giving the government more money or control over our lives, anyway?

Dude you are living in a dream world. You just voted for another corrupt politician for President (Romney would of been the same...I voted Libertarian for real freedom).

I am sad to say that Harry Reid is my Senator. And he is about the perfect example of a lifetime corrupt politician as you will see.

"WE" aren't voting anybody out. "WE" are doing what you did...letting the media tell you who and what to vote for. And did anything change? No.

Even the bill for Hurricane Sandy disaster relief...it's FULL of pork barrel spending!
It has $8 MILLION dollars to buy cars for Homeland Security personnel.
$150 MILLION for fisheries in Alaska.
13 BILLION dollars for planning for future disasters!!!!!
The list goes on:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...Elj4CKwbheEV0N

THAT is your precious federal govt. full of fucking crooks at "work".

Wake up man. You're not cut from the same cloth as say an Abbie Hoffman. You're more of the "sheeple" variety than a true liberal who loves freedom.

My god, you are retarded.