The NRA Myth of Arming the Good Guys

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It's one of the ones used by the Coast Guard (so it doesn't rust as easily from the salt air). Plus it just looks freakin' cool.

I figure if I ever actually have to use it (which I don't think I will), I'll look cool filling some burglar up with a thousand holes of bird shot. (and that will make him wish he were dead)

Move past the founding father bullshit.
I don't care what they intended anymore.
Men that WANT to be free WILL be free.

You don't need daddy holding your hand.

Welcome Jesus to ignoring clear concise and deeply thoughtful individuals.
But you seriously need to get one thing perfectly clear pal, nobody holds my fucking hand and never will.

Check your weapons at the school office

Then why is the police armed? With the anti-gun logica unarmed cops result in much safer streets, why not start there?
No law or amendment has to be changed for that just take the guns of the cops, problem solved.
In the schoolyards it worked! Take away the guns of the good guys and it will be all OK i promise you.

I don't ignore them. I take them in context and build upon their ideas as a free thinking individual.

Deify no man.

If guns are banned then only criminals will have guns. Prohibition didn't work for alcohol. It's not working for drugs right now. Why would it work for guns?

One of the other points of gun ownership is to prevent tyranny from the government.

The founding fathers were men not prophets.they also were cool with slavery and woman not voting. Its a hero gun fantasy, over throw a gov, take on the next hitler.

You think making guns is comparable to some hillbilly boiling water in a still in his backyard or a kid growing a plant in his closet?

Ad hominem. They may not have been perfect but the principle involved is what is important, not historical figures themselves. Does gravity cease to be a true principle because Newton and Einstein were not perfect individuals?

A fantasy? Ever hear of this country called the USA that overthrew an oppressive government (arguable one of the most powerful) and started their own?

Having gone through that, they wanted to make sure the people would be the ones with the power, not the government.

The right to bear arms is to protect against one's OWN government not just foreign threats.

No. What does manufacture have to do with this? The debate is about gun ownership, not gun manufacturing.

I brought up alcohol and drugs to give examples of how bans don't have the desired effect.

That is the fantasy.it was a different time muskets against muskets. Also its a very different world.

That's not true Tony.

The British had cannon, and a super well trained army with the very BEST guns you could get in the world at the time.

The Continental Army started as something we'd call "terrorists" today. Using guerilla warfare, ambushing the British soldiers, blowing them up (primitive versions of roadside bombings), etc.

Once the rebels (patriots as we call them) showed that they meant business with their muskets...we started getting foreign aid (the French for instance) and building a semblance of a ragtag army and navy to fight the war.

But it took a very bloody, hard fought EIGHT YEARS to overthrow the British ruling govt. in the "colonies".

So yes...IF the entire nation rose up against the U.S. govt. with rifles, shotguns, etc. I do believe it could be done. Especially if they did as the founding fathers did back then...take over some of the military bases.

All it would take is a few generals in the current military establishment to side with the "rebels" and it could very well happen. But they would have to believe it's serious before they did something that radical. Disarm the country and there would be nothing left for the U.S. Govt. to stop it from taking all of our freedom. Nothing credible could ever be mounted against an oppressive future leader.

Hell, Baby Jesus Obama won't always be President you know. Down the line a true madman could weasel his way in.

Look at The Civil War. Going by what you're saying, it could never have happened. But it did and it was a hard fought bloody war that could have went either way at first.

Do I think that you and me and a few hundred guys with guns could overthrow the govt.?
No.
Do I think that you, me, a few million people with guns could? Yes.

Just look at what happened in Libya. And look what's happening in Syria.

The brits fire power wasnt that superior to the colonies. as far as the civil war the rebels lost. I think its a fantasy at this point. Also people revolt when they have nothing to lose,most that bitch got a whole lot to lose. Worry about those people who dont have shit and are first on gov program chopping block. They got nothing to lose unlike boortz lol

Also our gov isnt set up so some madman can take over. also when people talk about hitler, people forget he had the support of the german people at the time. He was elected in.

The second amendment was created to protect the government from invasion and suppressing insurrection - and law enforcement. You might call them "men of science" or claim they had "great wisdom" but they couldn't imagine one day the United States would have one of the most powerful military forces in the world - or that law enforcement was only moments away.