The NRA Myth of Arming the Good Guys

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  • crockett
    in a van by the river
    • May 2003
    • 76818

    #31
    Originally posted by MakingItPay
    They just want to start there. Then they start including handguns as "assault pistols." These guys see opportunity to grab guns everytime this happens. And it doesn't happen often. But when it does, it occurs in a "Gun Free Zone." These were created by anti gun politicians, not the NRA.
    Even in the Old west they had gun free zone.. Other wise known as towns you couldn't enter and carry a gun.
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    • Barry-xlovecam
      It's 42
      • Jun 2010
      • 18083

      #32
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam


      A friendly soldier patrolling with a machine gun for public protection is not such a bad thing in these circumstances notwithstanding posse comitatus concerns that would have to be addressed.
      Originally posted by GrantMercury
      Jesus Christ.
      Why do armed soldiers, your own county's armed soldiers, protecting a public place seem so sinister? When you see soldiers of your own nation patrolling in an airport, a potentially dangerous public place -- why does that scare you? The alternative suggested is that teachers, with very limited training, should wear side arms in a foolish but well intentioned attempt to guarantee the safety of their charges -- that sounds like an accident waiting to happen. Who is more liable to go postal -- a teacher or a trained soldier?


      Direct to the point; Guns in the hands of good samaritans or vigilantes guarding the public is a bad idea -- I would much rather see a trained soldier doing that job. In a perfect world that would not be necessary but this is not a perfect world and will never be -- history has proven that.

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      • MakingItPay
        Confirmed User
        • Feb 2005
        • 1922

        #33
        Originally posted by crockett
        Even in the Old west they had gun free zone.. Other wise known as towns you couldn't enter and carry a gun.
        I don't remember that. Not old enough. But I bet outlaws would love going into town if that is true. They probably ended up having to have an armed Marshall on site at all times.
        Last edited by MakingItPay; 12-29-2012, 08:16 AM.
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        • Rochard
          Jägermeister Test Pilot
          • Dec 2001
          • 75733

          #34
          Originally posted by AdultPornMasta
          BULLSHIT!

          "Yes, Columbine Had Armed Guards?And They Saved Lives!"

          http://news.investors.com/ibd-editor...ves.htm?p=full

          From the cited article:

          "Yes, the critics respond, and there was an armed security guard at Columbine High School in 1999. Yet, 12 students and a teacher were killed by two armed intruders, as if that disqualified the solution of placing armed guards, possibly unemployed army veterans, at each of our nation's 100,000-plus schools.

          Yes, there was, and it was the guard's presence and the resistance he and others offered that kept the carnage less than it might have been.

          On April 20, 1999, Neil Gardner, an armed sheriff's deputy who had been policing the school for almost two years, was eating lunch when Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold arrived at Columbine with their deadly arsenal and deadlier intentions.

          Gardner said he got a call from a custodian that he was needed in the school's back parking lot. A few minutes later, he encountered Harris, and the two exchanged gunfire. The exchange with Harris lasted for an extended period of time, during which Harris' gun jammed.

          The deputy and the backup he immediately called for exchanged fire with the shooters a second time and helped begin the evacuation of students, all before SWAT teams arrived, and before Harris and Klebold eventually killed themselves in the library."

          Stop it with your liberal lies already!

          What bullshit? There was an armed guard there, and the killings still took place.
          Herschel Savage
          Brooklyn, NY

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          • Rochard
            Jägermeister Test Pilot
            • Dec 2001
            • 75733

            #35
            Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam
            Why do armed soldiers, your own county's armed soldiers, protecting a public place seem so sinister? When you see soldiers of your own nation patrolling in an airport, a potentially dangerous public place -- why does that scare you? The alternative suggested is that teachers, with very limited training, should wear side arms in a foolish but well intentioned attempt to guarantee the safety of their charges -- that sounds like an accident waiting to happen. Who is more liable to go postal -- a teacher or a trained soldier?


            Direct to the point; Guns in the hands of good samaritans or vigilantes guarding the public is a bad idea -- I would much rather see a trained soldier doing that job. In a perfect world that would not be necessary but this is not a perfect world and will never be -- history has proven that.
            I have no problems going to the airports here in the US and seeing what looks like armed soldiers. Hell, we should have United States Marines guarding our airports!
            Herschel Savage
            Brooklyn, NY

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            • PornoMonster
              Confirmed User
              • Mar 2003
              • 2257

              #36
              Originally posted by Rochard
              There were armed guards in Columbine and that didn't change a damn thing.

              I'm okay with the good guys having the firearms. We need to figure out way to prevent the mentally ill from getting them. That's the key.
              AGAIN,

              He drew Fire so a wounded person could get away according to what I read. Also if drawing fire from a shooter, that shooter is NOT killing people at the time. (room to room style)

              But even if the above is not correct or they even ran away .....
              TELL ME WHAT IT HURT HAVING THEM THERE? You make it seem like it made the situation WORSE, it did not, and that security guard "might" have shot and killed one of the shooters.

              I KNOW for a FACT that this would NOT of even been a chance of killing the shooter without the security guards and took the police what 45 minutes, an hour, what was the time?

              Your argument does NOT Hold any water, since having them there did not make things worse.
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              • PornoMonster
                Confirmed User
                • Mar 2003
                • 2257

                #37
                Originally posted by Rochard
                I have no problems going to the airports here in the US and seeing what looks like armed soldiers. Hell, we should have United States Marines guarding our airports!
                100%

                Bring our troops Home.
                I Loved them in the airports and other places.
                We are already spending the money, be cheaper to have our guys services over here than over seas in a pointless endless money pit war(s)
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                • Grapesoda
                  So Fucking Banned
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 46238

                  #38
                  Originally posted by crockett
                  I do too, but truth of the matter is that it won't stop the mass type shooting. In just about every one of these cases the attacker could likely get the guns regardless if it were a little harder.

                  More training, stricter registration & focusing on criminals/unregistered guns will have the biggest effect on deaths & shootings. It's just not gonna solve these mass type shootings like the one in Conn.

                  Meaning I don't support a ban as a knee jerk reaction to a random mass shooting, but rather looking at the overall picture to see what could have the larger affect in curbing gun crime/violence.
                  it's a big mess made bigger because self seeking, mentally ill people are in change of sorting it out (politicians )

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                  • Robbie
                    Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 20960

                    #39
                    Guys, the Second Ammendment to the constitution says that: "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

                    It doesn't specify that the "people" (which means the citizens of the United States) can only have a certain type of weapon.

                    And banning any kind of weapon is "infringing".

                    It's this simple...either the second ammendment will be stripped, or shut the fuck up.

                    P.S.: LOL at "training"
                    It ain't fucking brain surgery to shoot a gun and/or lock your gun up when you aren't using it. "training"
                    Last edited by Robbie; 12-29-2012, 09:18 AM.
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                    • OneBallJohn
                      Confirmed User
                      • May 2002
                      • 262

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Robbie
                      P.S.: LOL at "training"
                      It ain't fucking brain surgery to shoot a gun and/or lock your gun up when you aren't using it. "training"
                      People like you will be the second group to go when the shit hits the fan. Owing a gun means nothing if you aren't properly trained in how to handle it. There is far more to it than pointing and squeezing the trigger. If you're not properly trained, somebody like me will roll up and take everything you have then bitch slap you with your own gun.

                      If there were no need for training then there would not be so many firearms training groups out there.

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                      • crockett
                        in a van by the river
                        • May 2003
                        • 76818

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Robbie
                        Guys, the Second Ammendment to the constitution says that: "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

                        It doesn't specify that the "people" (which means the citizens of the United States) can only have a certain type of weapon.

                        And banning any kind of weapon is "infringing".

                        It's this simple...either the second ammendment will be stripped, or shut the fuck up.

                        P.S.: LOL at "training"
                        It ain't fucking brain surgery to shoot a gun and/or lock your gun up when you aren't using it. "training"
                        I can't wait to be the first kid on my block with my own tactical nuke for self defense.
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                        • Gozarian
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                          • Jun 2012
                          • 558

                          #42
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                          • Robbie
                            Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                            • Aug 2002
                            • 20960

                            #43
                            Originally posted by OneBallJohn
                            People like you will be the second group to go when the shit hits the fan. Owing a gun means nothing if you aren't properly trained in how to handle it. There is far more to it than pointing and squeezing the trigger. If you're not properly trained, somebody like me will roll up and take everything you have then bitch slap you with your own gun.

                            If there were no need for training then there would not be so many firearms training groups out there.
                            yeah right. My dad had me shooting guns since I was 5 years old. (my family owned cattle and orange groves...literally thousands of acres of land)

                            You keep on "training" on how to "handle it"

                            But if you break into my house, I have a chrome shotgun with 5 shells full of birdshot that will make you wish you were dead. And I don't even have to aim that very well. It's scattershot and will fuck you up BAD.

                            You just keep on training and waitng for the "shit to hit the fan"
                            -Robbie
                            ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                            • glamourmodels
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                              • Apr 2007
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                              #44
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                              • madm1k3
                                Confirmed User
                                • Jul 2005
                                • 472

                                #45
                                I don't beleive in any gun bans (a short term solution that won't work) but the The Second Amendment states "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

                                To me that is more about arming the military than a person's indiviual freedom, but yes the Second Ammendmant will be stripped like the others:

                                1st Amendment: Well republicans are trying to create a Christian state, infact A GOP superstar (Michelle Bachman) wanted a witch hunt looking for any muslim in the government

                                4th Amendment: Google patriot act

                                5th Amendment: Gone, you can be held as a terrorist with no trial

                                6th Amendment: Government can now decline a witness from testifying and present a "summary" of the testimony.

                                7th Amendment: Supreme courts handed big Corporations a major victory and crippled the ability of consumers to file class action law suits

                                So basically the Constitution is something that can be changed or ignored, the Second Amendment will be no different
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