The NRA Myth of Arming the Good Guys

BULLSHIT!

"Yes, Columbine Had Armed Guards?And They Saved Lives!"

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editor...ves.htm?p=full

From the cited article:

"Yes, the critics respond, and there was an armed security guard at Columbine High School in 1999. Yet, 12 students and a teacher were killed by two armed intruders, as if that disqualified the solution of placing armed guards, possibly unemployed army veterans, at each of our nation's 100,000-plus schools.

Yes, there was, and it was the guard's presence and the resistance he and others offered that kept the carnage less than it might have been.

On April 20, 1999, Neil Gardner, an armed sheriff's deputy who had been policing the school for almost two years, was eating lunch when Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold arrived at Columbine with their deadly arsenal and deadlier intentions.

Gardner said he got a call from a custodian that he was needed in the school's back parking lot. A few minutes later, he encountered Harris, and the two exchanged gunfire. The exchange with Harris lasted for an extended period of time, during which Harris' gun jammed.

The deputy and the backup he immediately called for exchanged fire with the shooters a second time and helped begin the evacuation of students, all before SWAT teams arrived, and before Harris and Klebold eventually killed themselves in the library."

Stop it with your liberal lies already!

How many times do you think an accidental shooting occurs by a gun carrier vs how many hero stories unfold? I will bet you anything accidental shooting are a far larger number..


Here I'll help.. The first sentence says that it's "slowly" declining, but still 680 deaths by accidental gun fire in the US during 2008. How many hero's saved he day with their gun in 2008?

The number of accidental shooting deaths in the United States has been slowly declining for many years, although there was a slight jump in the number of deaths in 2008, the last year for which we have statistics. In 2008 there were 680 accidental shooting deaths in the United States, with more than 15,500 shooting injuries. Most disturbing, perhaps, is the number of children involved in accidental shootings. Every day approximately five children are injured or killed on a nationwide basis as a result of handguns. The primary cause of youth-involved shooting rests with the fact that children find loaded handguns in the home – and natural curiosity leads them down the road to disaster

Each year approximately 100 people are injured or killed while cleaning a firearm and failing to exercise proper caution.

Hunting accidents account for approximately 160 accidental shootings each year, with an average of 50 fatalities.

source: http://www.thesurvivorsclub.org/extr...ental-shooting

I was reading some death row stats a few months ago, almost every person on death row had already been convicted of manslaughter, served time and was released. and that's a very interesting statistic that should really guide the legal system.

That was more or less done in 1934 then strengthened in 1986. In 1994 an "Assault Weapons Ban" was put in place to cover what you are mistakenly referring to as an "Assault Weapon" and that did nothing to stop crime. Maybe if you paid attention to history and current laws instead of the media you would know these things.

Educate yourself.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/media-...e#.UN42t-qQ1fo

I know you are responding to what Rochard said, but the point you guys always miss in these hero defender situations, is more times than not a successful defense by a gun carrier is usually at the hands of someone in law enforcement not some random guy carrying a gun hoping to be a hero.

I do support gun ownership, but honestly it does scare me at times that pretty much any idiot can get their hands on a gun in this country. I also have never been in a situation where I felt having a gun would help the situation.

The chances of ever needing to defend one's self with a gun for the average American is probably along the same lines of your chance of being in a plane crash. Of course your chances go up if you are in bad areas, but you always have the choice to remove yourself from that area.

I can tell you I've worked in some pretty bad areas before and never once did I feel my life was threatened just because I was there or that I needed a gun to protect myself.

---- According to an annual report published by the National Safety Council, there were 39,800 deaths last year related to motor vehicles in 2008.

so what's you're point? people with cars are stupider than people with guns?

the armed guards changed a lot of stuff, saved very many lives... and yes the mentally ill should not be allowed to have weapons...

how about this though. say when you're about 20 you get drunk and start a fight in bar, get arrested and spend the night in jail... no big deal happens all the time to kids, life goes on... never get in any more trouble

BUT with 'rigorous mental health laws in effect' you are labeled unstable, prone to violence and assigned a negative mental health profile that follows you the rest of your life. put on medication. you have problems finding work, no bank loans, health ins denied etc... AND your kids will be labeled a genetically unstable, put on a watch list and possible medicated as well

you're are supposed to be a smart guy... think about it... all these 'kids' at GFY have all these 'one stop shopping solutions' with out any life experience or understanding of the complexities of the situation.... this is the fucking reality of 'sorting out the fucking nuts'

I really support gun ownership with tactical training and a fail clause that denies the gun

Cars are used far more often than guns, anyone with half a brain could figure that is going to cause for a more deaths due to accidents.

I would say there are more guns than cars in the US, anyone with half a brain should be able to figure that out

I do too, but truth of the matter is that it won't stop the mass type shooting. In just about every one of these cases the attacker could likely get the guns regardless if it were a little harder.

More training, stricter registration & focusing on criminals/unregistered guns will have the biggest effect on deaths & shootings. It's just not gonna solve these mass type shootings like the one in Conn.

Meaning I don't support a ban as a knee jerk reaction to a random mass shooting, but rather looking at the overall picture to see what could have the larger affect in curbing gun crime/violence.

They just want to start there. Then they start including handguns as "assault pistols." These guys see opportunity to grab guns everytime this happens. And it doesn't happen often. But when it does, it occurs in a "Gun Free Zone." These were created by anti gun politicians, not the NRA.

There is roughly the same number. It's about 250-300 mil registered cars in the US and about the same number of guns. However those 250 mil guns are spread out across roughly 50 million households.

That's roughly 45-50% of US household that have a gun meanwhile it's only about 9% of the households in the US that don't have a car or roughly 91% that do.

Meaning it's far more likely for a gun owner to own more than one gun than it is for a car owner to own more than one car and simply put cars are used far more often by more people than guns, which is why they are involved in more deaths.

We are not living in the caveman age, stone age, bronze age or whatever. We are technologically advanced right now. Still, some humans act like apes. Think about Darwin. These humans are thinking about the first time they saw a hammer, axe or metal gun. How violent can they become… Guns are most dangerous because they can create mass shootings. Are defenses really defenses? The courts are there to decide. Good luck.