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  • tony286
    lurker
    • Aug 2002
    • 57021

    #256
    Originally posted by Vendzilla
    No, wrong, you do know what is considered a militia now and when the constitution was drafted are two different things right? The Militia is the people


    A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms." (Richard Henry Lee, Additional Letters from the Federal Farmer (1788) at 169)

    What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty.... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins." (Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment [ I Annals of Congress at 750 {August 17, 1789}])

    "Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state government, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people" (Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788)
    Your wrong it was to protect the government because they had no standing army

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    • Minte
      Babemeister
      • Jun 2001
      • 7081

      #257
      Originally posted by BlackCrayon
      I don't know. Its really a waste of time for everyone involved.

      I don't agree that those who want changes have to be involved in the process in order to be able to have such an opinion. You mock them with your constant posting of paying for plane tickets to collect guns. Yet you take issue with newnick doing the exact same thing?
      Of course I will mock them. Too many people that don't live or pay taxes in the US have grand opinions about what and how we need to do things. They have no idea what they are talking about and maybe was here one time for a vacation. And always they are disrespectful about it because they are safely tucked away behind a keyboard.

      Here is the difference. In the decade that I have been posting here, I have never said anything to anyone that I wouldn't say to their face.
      You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.

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      • Vendzilla
        Biker Gnome
        • Mar 2004
        • 23200

        #258
        Originally posted by tony286
        Your wrong it was to protect the government because they had no standing army
        wrong, US army and US navy was formed in 1775, try again.
        Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
        think about that

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        • Rochard
          Jägermeister Test Pilot
          • Dec 2001
          • 75733

          #259
          Originally posted by Max Potential
          From the same article as mentioned above;

          "At Newtown, Lanza was delayed from entering the school?s main entrance, and had to shoot his way in through a security window. His tactics were far less sophisticated than Harris? and Klebold?s. It?s not implausible to think, afforded the time to respond by Lanza?s delay at the front door, an armed officer could have put him down before he began killing in earnest. Not a guarantee, but far from implausible."

          Source: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...daniel-foster#
          Just like your article says, having an armed guard present isn't a guarantee of anything. Your talking about a huge amount of territory and a lot of people to protect - three armed guards isn't going to be enough. They had armed guards at Columbine and it didn't stop them.

          There is no one solution. I'm not against armed guards at school. But it's a measure to stop the crime as it's happening instead of trying to prevent the crime in the first place. We need to be preventive - We need to help those are mentally ill and help those who are borderline mentally ill, and we need to prevent firearms from getting into their hands.
          Herschel Savage
          Brooklyn, NY

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          • Rochard
            Jägermeister Test Pilot
            • Dec 2001
            • 75733

            #260
            Originally posted by Vendzilla
            wrong, US army and US navy was formed in 1775, try again.
            Your wrong. We might have had an army, but in the event of attack it would take days or weeks before the proper people in the government knew about it and even longer for them to get word to the Army to do something about it.

            The people would be expected to protect and defend themselves for weeks until the US military was able to respond. The citizens were expected to "repel invasions".
            Herschel Savage
            Brooklyn, NY

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            • Rochard
              Jägermeister Test Pilot
              • Dec 2001
              • 75733

              #261
              Originally posted by Vendzilla
              the band wagon will pass, people will lose interest. Right now, unemployment is way up, prison population is the highest in the world, no one here can say what countries we are actively attacking right now for sure, more drugs are coming over the border than ever before. We have a government with no real leadership. ( 528 million dollars spent on the Fisker electric cars which ended up employing 500 finnish workers for a car no one can afford while the Fiat company without stimulus money will release the 500e late next year that will go a reported 100 miles on one charge )people are still losing their homes ( 1 in every 728 homes went into foreclosure this year)

              What I'm trying to get to is the world is fucked up, losing freedoms because someone wasn't responsible or went on a killing spree is not the answer. They don't represent the responsible gun owners in the US. There are a lot of them. This forum is heavy leaning liberal and that's ok. But for all the things they want to change about the US, they don't realize how good things are right now.
              Wow, someone sounds bitter....
              Herschel Savage
              Brooklyn, NY

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              • PornoMonster
                Confirmed User
                • Mar 2003
                • 2257

                #262
                Originally posted by Rochard
                Just like your article says, having an armed guard present isn't a guarantee of anything. Your talking about a huge amount of territory and a lot of people to protect - three armed guards isn't going to be enough. They had armed guards at Columbine and it didn't stop them.

                There is no one solution. I'm not against armed guards at school. But it's a measure to stop the crime as it's happening instead of trying to prevent the crime in the first place. We need to be preventive - We need to help those are mentally ill and help those who are borderline mentally ill, and we need to prevent firearms from getting into their hands.
                It did not stop them it slowed the killing down. Do you not understand this???

                NOTHING besides Magic would "STOP" every killing. A Time machine to go back before guns were invented.

                Geezzz -- and NOT ONE thing you mention will "STOP THEM"
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                • Rochard
                  Jägermeister Test Pilot
                  • Dec 2001
                  • 75733

                  #263
                  Originally posted by PornoMonster
                  It did not stop them it slowed the killing down. Do you not understand this???
                  But we shouldn't be talking about stopping a killer after he has started shooting. We need to prevent the shooter from ever getting a firearm.

                  Originally posted by PornoMonster
                  Geezzz -- and NOT ONE thing you mention will "STOP THEM"
                  If there was a law in place that prevented this woman from having an assault rifle and multiple handguns in the first place - a simple law saying it is illegal to have firearms in a household where someone who has a diminished mental ability lives - would have prevented him from gaining access to firearms that day.

                  It's simple:
                  - Better healthcare for the mentally ill
                  - Better security at schools
                  - Restrictions on firearms aimed at preventing the mentally ill from getting hand guns and banning assault rifles.

                  It blows my fucking mind that his mother knew her child had problems, knew her child was a loner, yet saw nothing wrong with training him how to use an assault rifle or letting him lock himself up in the basement so he could play Call Of Duty all day long.

                  A simple law preventing his mother from having access to fire arms after the school assigned a head shrink to her kid could have prevented this.
                  Herschel Savage
                  Brooklyn, NY

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                  • Vendzilla
                    Biker Gnome
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 23200

                    #264
                    Originally posted by Rochard
                    Your wrong. We might have had an army, but in the event of attack it would take days or weeks before the proper people in the government knew about it and even longer for them to get word to the Army to do something about it.

                    The people would be expected to protect and defend themselves for weeks until the US military was able to respond. The citizens were expected to "repel invasions".
                    my reply was to Tony saying we didn't have a standing army, we had a Army, Navy and Marine Corp, you should know that!

                    Yes, Militia was part of the defense of the country, but saying it took weeks till the government knew about troop movements? They had dispatch riders, you might have heard of a silver smith that was one, Paul Revere?

                    And yes Richard, we have discussed this before, In hate that we blew millions of tax payer dollars on a danish electric car that an average person can never afford and a Italian company can without any help and sell it for around $16k. The people that spent the stimulus wasted it!
                    Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                    think about that

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                    • tony286
                      lurker
                      • Aug 2002
                      • 57021

                      #265
                      Originally posted by Rochard
                      Wow, someone sounds bitter....
                      Also I hate burst Vend's Obama hating bubble, that loan was given during Bush not Obama.
                      Fisker received a $528.7 million conditional loan in September 2009

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                      • BlackCrayon
                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                        • Jun 2003
                        • 19634

                        #266
                        Originally posted by Jesus H Christ
                        What? - Yet another attention whore fucking Canadian trying to now define meaning of words to best suit their personal spin?



                        Yes, it does when you're Canadian fucking wrong and retarded. You a Canadian commenting on gun control to an American, in an American forum, with an opinion that couldn't change fuck all because you're not American.

                        Honestly, is it sinking in yet?
                        you sound like a nationalist nazi. get over it. there are people from countries all over the world here. why is this an american forum? because its owned by americans? americans who do business in europe, canada, asia...don't be so foolish.
                        you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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                        • Grapesoda
                          So Fucking Banned
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 46238

                          #267
                          Originally posted by SuckOnThis
                          How I wish someone would put a bullet through this motherfuckers head.
                          hopefully you don't have a gun

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                          • BlackCrayon
                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                            • Jun 2003
                            • 19634

                            #268
                            Originally posted by Minte
                            Of course I will mock them. Too many people that don't live or pay taxes in the US have grand opinions about what and how we need to do things. They have no idea what they are talking about and maybe was here one time for a vacation. And always they are disrespectful about it because they are safely tucked away behind a keyboard.

                            Here is the difference. In the decade that I have been posting here, I have never said anything to anyone that I wouldn't say to their face.
                            american's tend to have a habit of thinking they know whats best for the rest of the world but when the rest of the world tries to say anything to them about whats going on in their country, its all bullshit that no one but americans could possibly understand. do you not see the hypocrisy in that? regardless, i try to be as respectful as possible but people like Jesus H Christ are hard to tolerate.
                            you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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                            • BlackCrayon
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • Jun 2003
                              • 19634

                              #269
                              Originally posted by Jesus H Christ
                              Now you're labeling me a Nazi? You realize their is very good odds the OP's grandfather was a Nazi as your ignorant ass AGAIN fail to understand world history.

                              whatever jesus. from your previous posts its obvious how racist you are so its no surprise that you hate everyone who isn't american, though not including american blacks or american jews because we all know you hate them too. i'm sure there are more i left out. your fervent nationalism has made you blind to any kind of common sense.
                              you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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                              • Vendzilla
                                Biker Gnome
                                • Mar 2004
                                • 23200

                                #270
                                Originally posted by tony286
                                Also I hate burst Vend's Obama hating bubble, that loan was given during Bush not Obama.
                                Fisker received a $528.7 million conditional loan in September 2009
                                The Obama administration was in charge when the loan was approved and $10 million from the stimulus was used for administrative expenses?

                                Do a fact check before you tell me I'm wrong.


                                base price of a Fisker Karma is $96K, Fiat built one for $16k. Burst my bubble? LOL
                                I'll say it again, responsible government would be building cars the middle class could afford, the Italians figured that out!!!
                                Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                think about that

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