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  • Lester Burnham
    Confirmed User
    • Aug 2006
    • 540
    #201
    Originally posted by JP-pornshooter
    We pay the government, police, military to protect us all from the boogie man?
    perhaps one area we should leave to professionals and give them the tools to keep everyone out of harms way and make everyone feel safe so there is no need for a gun in the car..
    That sounds awfully like a police state out of V for Vendetta (which is actually on point, as the Brits surrendered to a police state after children died in the comic/movie).

    In Washington, we literally have a camera on every corner. Now we get to look forward to federally funded law enforcement patrolling our schools.

    And no, I'm not a tin foil right winger living in West Virginia (actually, an Obama voting Dem that owns guns).

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      • tony286
        lurker
        • Aug 2002
        • 57021
        #202
        Originally posted by TCLGirls
        Although I agree with an additional tax on firearms sales...the argument against that is it is illegal to tax a Constitutional right.
        its not taxing the right its taxing the guns,bullets and licenses.

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          • tony286
            lurker
            • Aug 2002
            • 57021
            #203
            Originally posted by TCLGirls
            Are you trying to make an analogy to armed US Citizens taking up arms against the US Government?
            thats the fantasy

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              • Rochard
                Jägermeister Test Pilot
                • Dec 2001
                • 75733
                #204
                Originally posted by tony286
                25 percent gun, ammo and gun license tax. Like a sin tax on liquor and cigs. A school protection tax.
                Maybe... But that is only a part of the problem. Just because you have a single armed guard doesn't mean he (she) will be able to stop a shooter. In the Columbine, officers showed up at the scene and the killings kept on going.

                And this only protects schools - not shopping malls or movies. Or churches.

                Then... By the time you require an armed guard to take out a shooter, it's already too late. The damage will have been done. This is like saying "The best way to handle drunk drivers to run them over after they have killed someone".
                Herschel Savage
                Brooklyn, NY

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                  • Vendzilla
                    Biker Gnome
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 23200
                    #205
                    Originally posted by TCLGirls
                    Are you trying to make an analogy to armed US Citizens taking up arms against the US Government?
                    no, i was stating you knew nothing of what the pen was mightier than the sword meant, I know all too well were that saying came from , I had a government teacher that was very enlightening about how people lose their rights and don't even know it.

                    You're the one that's afraid of citizens using their constitutional right to own a firearm. I'm keeping mine
                    Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                    think about that

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                      • TCLGirls
                        Confirmed User
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 3068
                        #206
                        Originally posted by Vendzilla
                        no, i was stating you knew nothing of what the pen was mightier than the sword meant, I know all too well were that saying came from , I had a government teacher that was very enlightening about how people lose their rights and don't even know it.

                        I think you are mistaken:

                        "The idiom 'the pen is mightier than the sword' means that words and communication are more powerful than wars and fighting."
                        http://www.usingenglish.com/referenc...the+sword.html

                        ^^^ which is exactly what I said before.

                        You're the one that's afraid of citizens using their constitutional right to own a firearm. I'm keeping mine
                        What an odd and strange thing for you to say....given that I own two firearms.
                        Last edited by TCLGirls; 12-21-2012, 06:13 PM.

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                          • tony286
                            lurker
                            • Aug 2002
                            • 57021
                            #207
                            Originally posted by Rochard
                            Maybe... But that is only a part of the problem. Just because you have a single armed guard doesn't mean he (she) will be able to stop a shooter. In the Columbine, officers showed up at the scene and the killings kept on going.

                            And this only protects schools - not shopping malls or movies. Or churches.

                            Then... By the time you require an armed guard to take out a shooter, it's already too late. The damage will have been done. This is like saying "The best way to handle drunk drivers to run them over after they have killed someone".
                            actually i read they had an armed guard at columbine.
                            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2347096.html

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                              • Vendzilla
                                Biker Gnome
                                • Mar 2004
                                • 23200
                                #208
                                I'm done for the night, guns aren't the problem, I've been around them my whole life, I have shot just about every kind of gun there is. That's the biggest difference between a liberal and a conservative. America is a great country, liberals want to change that. I don't believe any tax, law or fee that infringes on constitutional rights is warranted. If we give that up, what do you want to give up next? Yeah I don't trust the government, I depend on them as little as I can, anyone that has not seen the rights we have lost over the last decade all in the name of security is blind. Good Night
                                Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                think about that

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                                  • TCLGirls
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Feb 2010
                                    • 3068
                                    #209
                                    Originally posted by tony286
                                    actually i read they had an armed guard at columbine.
                                    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2347096.html
                                    Prior to the Virgina Tech shooting, the school also had a security force that was described as "like a swat team"...didn't do crap.

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                                      • Vendzilla
                                        Biker Gnome
                                        • Mar 2004
                                        • 23200
                                        #210
                                        Originally posted by TCLGirls
                                        I think you are mistaken:

                                        "The idiom 'the pen is mightier than the sword' means that words and communication are more powerful than wars and fighting."
                                        http://www.usingenglish.com/referenc...the+sword.html

                                        ^^^ which is exactly what I said before.



                                        What an odd and strange thing for you to say....given that I own two firearms.
                                        The pen is mightier than the sword" is a metonymic adage coined by English author Edward Bulwer-Lytton in 1839 for his play Richelieu; Or the Conspiracy
                                        Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                        think about that

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                                          • TCLGirls
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Feb 2010
                                            • 3068
                                            #211
                                            Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                            The pen is mightier than the sword" is a metonymic adage coined by English author Edward Bulwer-Lytton in 1839 for his play Richelieu; Or the Conspiracy
                                            No one here is debating where the phrase "came from".

                                            What I am telling you is what the phrase means.

                                            I already told you the phrase means that communication with people, and winning their minds, is more powerful than fighting people.

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                                              • bronco67
                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                • Dec 2006
                                                • 29032
                                                #212
                                                That press conference was nothing more than an empty husk of a human being acting like a grumpy asshole for 20 minutes. Way to go NRA.

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                                                  • Si
                                                    Such Fun!
                                                    • Feb 2008
                                                    • 13900
                                                    #213
                                                    Originally posted by tony286
                                                    actually i read they had an armed guard at columbine.
                                                    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2347096.html
                                                    Even worse? Or atleast evidence that it won't do anything?

                                                    Kind of like putting up a barrier on a dangerous bit of road but making it out of cardboard.

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                                                      • Si
                                                        Such Fun!
                                                        • Feb 2008
                                                        • 13900
                                                        #214
                                                        Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                        The pen is mightier than the sword" is a metonymic adage coined by English author Edward Bulwer-Lytton in 1839 for his play Richelieu; Or the Conspiracy


                                                        You don't know what the phrase means, and you're trying to compare a sword to a gun.

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                                                          • Rochard
                                                            Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                                            • Dec 2001
                                                            • 75733
                                                            #215
                                                            Originally posted by tony286
                                                            actually i read they had an armed guard at columbine.
                                                            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2347096.html
                                                            I heard that on the news tonight and I couldn't confirm it, and I've long since learned that you never post anything on GFY unless you've checked and doubled checked.

                                                            Some people seem to think that having a firearm is the solution to all problems. It is not. It just means that you are armed and have the potential to fire back. It does not mean you will have the balls to fire back, and it does not mean if you fire back you will hit anything.

                                                            Everyone thinks they are James Bond and can hit moving targets at 30 yards. Way too many people play Call Of Duty.
                                                            Herschel Savage
                                                            Brooklyn, NY

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                                                              • Max Potential
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Apr 2008
                                                                • 1045
                                                                #216
                                                                Originally posted by BlackCrayon
                                                                the more guns there are in a society the higher the chances a criminal will have one. less guns = less illegal guns = less criminals that have them. all illegal guns start out as legal guns at one point.
                                                                Not necessarily true...

                                                                Gun-related violent crimes drop as sales soar in Va.

                                                                http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/lo...9bb30f31a.html

                                                                "Gun-related violent crime in Virginia has dropped steadily over the past six years as the sale of firearms has soared to a new record, according to an analysis of state crime data with state records of gun sales."

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                                                                  • NewNick
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Mar 2009
                                                                    • 7229
                                                                    #217
                                                                    Originally posted by Minte
                                                                    It has to do with the fact that you and your group want to ignore the fact that there are hundreds of millions of weapons in the hands of the people.

                                                                    What is your plan for that?

                                                                    How about this, I will make the offer to you and the rest of your gang in this thread to pay your plane tickets and lodging to come to the US and start collecting all those weapons that are already in the hands of the people. You will start on the south side of Chicago.

                                                                    I'll even pay you $100 cash for every gun you collect.
                                                                    This really is a non argument. Saying something is difficult is not a reason to do nothing.

                                                                    How many guns do you think there was in circulation in Europe after WWII ended ?

                                                                    If you have the political will to fix a problem, you can fix it.

                                                                    Lots of people like you thought that Obama did not have the political will to fix your healthcare system, as a second term president he now has the opportunity to fix your gun problem. I sincerely hope he fixes it for you as you dont seem to have the intelligence to see how you being manipulated by the gun industry.

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                                                                      • travs
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Jul 2003
                                                                        • 1631
                                                                        #218
                                                                        what dafuq??

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                                                                          • Minte
                                                                            Babemeister
                                                                            • Jun 2001
                                                                            • 7081
                                                                            #219
                                                                            Originally posted by NewNick
                                                                            This really is a non argument. Saying something is difficult is not a reason to do nothing.

                                                                            How many guns do you think there was in circulation in Europe after WWII ended ?

                                                                            If you have the political will to fix a problem, you can fix it.

                                                                            Lots of people like you thought that Obama did not have the political will to fix your healthcare system, as a second term president he now has the opportunity to fix your gun problem. I sincerely hope he fixes it for you as you dont seem to have the intelligence to see how you being manipulated by the gun industry.

                                                                            Another self proclaimed genius chimes in. Why are there so many intellectuals here that don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.
                                                                            You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.

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                                                                              • Vendzilla
                                                                                Biker Gnome
                                                                                • Mar 2004
                                                                                • 23200
                                                                                #220
                                                                                Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                I heard that on the news tonight and I couldn't confirm it, and I've long since learned that you never post anything on GFY unless you've checked and doubled checked.

                                                                                Some people seem to think that having a firearm is the solution to all problems. It is not. It just means that you are armed and have the potential to fire back. It does not mean you will have the balls to fire back, and it does not mean if you fire back you will hit anything.

                                                                                Everyone thinks they are James Bond and can hit moving targets at 30 yards. Way too many people play Call Of Duty.
                                                                                Funny you should say that as I have seen many cops that had terrible aim at the range.
                                                                                Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                think about that

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                                                                                  • Vendzilla
                                                                                    Biker Gnome
                                                                                    • Mar 2004
                                                                                    • 23200
                                                                                    #221
                                                                                    Originally posted by Si


                                                                                    You don't know what the phrase means, and you're trying to compare a sword to a gun.
                                                                                    You're a mental midget aren't you?
                                                                                    I stated exactly what it means, can't believe no one gets it?
                                                                                    The pen is mightier than the sword (A Sword is a weapon just like a gun is a weapon dip shit ) and in the play, the cardinal used the power of the pen to remove the power of the Musketeers. Try reading something besides a fucking cereal box shit for brains
                                                                                    Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                    think about that

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                                                                                      • Vendzilla
                                                                                        Biker Gnome
                                                                                        • Mar 2004
                                                                                        • 23200
                                                                                        #222
                                                                                        Originally posted by TCLGirls
                                                                                        No one here is debating where the phrase "came from".

                                                                                        What I am telling you is what the phrase means.

                                                                                        I already told you the phrase means that communication with people, and winning their minds, is more powerful than fighting people.
                                                                                        And I said anything different? Except in the original text, it was used as sarcasm in that it was used to take away the sword that protected the crown.
                                                                                        Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                        think about that

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                                                                                          • DWB
                                                                                            Registered User
                                                                                            • Jul 2003
                                                                                            • 31779
                                                                                            #223
                                                                                            Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                            I have to pay to register my car. Why don't we have to pay to register firearms?

                                                                                            Why do we need a license to drive a car, yet we don't require a license to own a firearm?
                                                                                            While it would not cut down on crime whatsoever, the money collected from licensing and registering firearms, along with a hefty tax, could possibly help pay for the security that is obviously needed in gun free zones.

                                                                                            And before any of you gun nuts start crying about gun tax, whatever you are paying for guns in the USA, we pay 2x - 5x more here in Thailand for the same gun to due their import taxes, tax on firearms in general, and mark-up based on popularity and brand. A basic 12g Mossberg 500 can run well over $1000 - $1500 USD here. Those who can afford guns here, buy them. Those who can't afford them steal them and... wait for it... make their own.

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                                                                                              • DWB
                                                                                                Registered User
                                                                                                • Jul 2003
                                                                                                • 31779
                                                                                                #224
                                                                                                Originally posted by tony286
                                                                                                actually i read they had an armed guard at columbine.
                                                                                                http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2347096.html
                                                                                                Originally posted by TCLGirls
                                                                                                Prior to the Virgina Tech shooting, the school also had a security force that was described as "like a swat team"...didn't do crap.
                                                                                                They clearly were not properly trained or prepared. If they are going to have guards, they need to be well trained, cover all entrances and exits, and be prepared at all times. This included metal detectors and security at every entry point, and roaming patrols.

                                                                                                Too much? Perhaps. But ask the parents who lost children at Shady Hook or Columbine if it would have been too much. I don't have kids in school who need to be protected, so I'm really not one to say what is enough or not. Best to ask those who lost loved ones during shootings what they think. They should be the voice of reason during these gun debates, not those who speak on behalf of the gun industry.

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                                                                                                  • Si
                                                                                                    Such Fun!
                                                                                                    • Feb 2008
                                                                                                    • 13900
                                                                                                    #225
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                    You're a mental midget aren't you?
                                                                                                    I stated exactly what it means, can't believe no one gets it?
                                                                                                    The pen is mightier than the sword (A Sword is a weapon just like a gun is a weapon dip shit ) and in the play, the cardinal used the power of the pen to remove the power of the Musketeers. Try reading something besides a fucking cereal box shit for brains
                                                                                                    Wow what a pathetic attempt to defend yourself. In your case the sword would be mightier, because you don't seem to be able to form an arguement based on facts.

                                                                                                    The meaning and origin of the saying ? The pen is mightier than the sword?
                                                                                                    Definitions abound, but all allude to the same principle that it is more sensible to resolve a conflict by the use of words and communication rather than by physical conflict and confrontation.

                                                                                                    This saying is attributed in this form by all sources to Edward Bulwer-Lytton, 1839, from his play Richelieu.

                                                                                                    Verbatim
                                                                                                    ? Beneath the rule of men entirely great,
                                                                                                    The pen is mightier than the sword. Behold
                                                                                                    The arch-enchanters wand! - itself a nothing! -
                                                                                                    But taking sorcery from the master-hand
                                                                                                    To paralyse the Caesars, and to strike
                                                                                                    The loud earth breathless! - Take away the sword -
                                                                                                    States can be saved without it!?

                                                                                                    The concept of communication rather than confrontation as a method of resolving conflicts has been around for many many years, but worded somewhat differently.
                                                                                                    Here are a few examples.

                                                                                                    Euripides 400+ BC ? The tongue is mightier than the blade.....?

                                                                                                    Prophet Muhammad ? The ink of the scholar is holier than the blood of the martyr...?

                                                                                                    Shakespeare 1600 ?Many wearing rapiers are afraid of goosequills?

                                                                                                    Cicero ?arms yield to persuasion?

                                                                                                    This, is however, not a philosophy adopted by all, as the numbers of current global conflicts bear witness to. On the other side..

                                                                                                    ?Actions speak louder than words?

                                                                                                    Terry Pratchett ? Only if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp?

                                                                                                    General MacArthur ?Whoever thinks the pen is mightier than the sword clearly has never encountered automatic weapons?

                                                                                                    I'd say you've taken the phrase out of context to be honest. Some interesting rebuttles aswell.

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                                                                                                      • Mutt
                                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                        • Sep 2002
                                                                                                        • 34431
                                                                                                        #226
                                                                                                        It's can't be debated that the 2nd Amendment gives the citizens the right to own a gun - when it was written the times were very different, protecting your person, your family and property and yes, defending yourself against your own government - the founding fathers weren't that confident that what they set up would work/last. and it didn't, a Civil War was fought.

                                                                                                        BUT............... while the Amendment does give citizens the right to bear arms, it doesn't say you have the right to bear ALL or ANY arms. Supreme Court has held that states can legislate restrictions on gun/arms ownership.

                                                                                                        What happens when we start producing incredible high tech guns - guns that have guided bullets that can go down your street, turn the corner, travel cross town, and right through your cheating girlfriend's window? NRA will defend ownership of them.

                                                                                                        Defending yourself and your family, your property - a shotgun or handgun will do the job.
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                                                                                                          • Vendzilla
                                                                                                            Biker Gnome
                                                                                                            • Mar 2004
                                                                                                            • 23200
                                                                                                            #227
                                                                                                            Originally posted by Mutt
                                                                                                            It's can't be debated that the 2nd Amendment gives the citizens the right to own a gun - when it was written the times were very different, protecting your person, your family and property and yes, defending yourself against your own government - the founding fathers weren't that confident that what they set up would work/last. and it didn't, a Civil War was fought.

                                                                                                            BUT............... while the Amendment does give citizens the right to bear arms, it doesn't say you have the right to bear ALL or ANY arms. Supreme Court has held that states can legislate restrictions on gun/arms ownership.

                                                                                                            What happens when we start producing incredible high tech guns - guns that have guided bullets that can go down your street, turn the corner, travel cross town, and right through your cheating girlfriend's window? NRA will defend ownership of them.

                                                                                                            Defending yourself and your family, your property - a shotgun or handgun will do the job.
                                                                                                            Again, I had the LA riots, the AR was perfect as a deterrent. They have bullets that go around corners, they are little grenades that explode as they pass the corner sending fragments in all directions, thus going around corners.

                                                                                                            The supreme court also ruled that some states have gone too far, like the ban on any firearms in DC which was lifted
                                                                                                            Last edited by Vendzilla; 12-22-2012, 06:59 AM.
                                                                                                            Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                            think about that

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                                                                                                              • BlackCrayon
                                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                • 19634
                                                                                                                #228
                                                                                                                Originally posted by Minte
                                                                                                                Another self proclaimed genius chimes in. Why are there so many intellectuals here that don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.
                                                                                                                you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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                                                                                                                  • selena
                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                    • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                    • 7994
                                                                                                                    #229
                                                                                                                    Let's imagine for a moment that I support the idea of guns in schools, which I do not.

                                                                                                                    I don't understand it from a logistics standpoint.

                                                                                                                    My local school is small. As in around 100 kids per grade. The entire thing, K-12, is in a single locked-down campus. You can walk through it all and not go outside. I'm guessing that on average, it is a lot smaller school district than many in the country.

                                                                                                                    So let's say that we decided that an armed guard was the route to go. And he's there, and he's over in the wing where the kindergarten is. Way on the other side of the school, a high schooler comes in tardy, buzzing in through the only entrance they can come in. The office buzzes him in, he enters, takes his gun out, and starts firing into the nearest classroom.

                                                                                                                    How has having someone armed helped? Yes, the guard will eventually get there. But enough time will have passed that lots of kids are going to dead. And the guard may well take out the shooter out, and prevent more deaths.

                                                                                                                    But I can't see how that makes it better for the kids that got killed in the time that it took for the guard to get there.

                                                                                                                    I have considered that the idea of an armed guard being there might deter the shooter in the first place. But is that realistic? I don't know that people who go in to do a mass shooting think rationally, or if they do, have real expectations that they will come out alive and get away.
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                                                                                                                      • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                        Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                        • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                        • 23200
                                                                                                                        #230
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Si
                                                                                                                        Wow what a pathetic attempt to defend yourself. In your case the sword would be mightier, because you don't seem to be able to form an arguement based on facts.

                                                                                                                        The meaning and origin of the saying ? The pen is mightier than the sword?
                                                                                                                        Definitions abound, but all allude to the same principle that it is more sensible to resolve a conflict by the use of words and communication rather than by physical conflict and confrontation.

                                                                                                                        This saying is attributed in this form by all sources to Edward Bulwer-Lytton, 1839, from his play Richelieu.

                                                                                                                        Verbatim
                                                                                                                        ? Beneath the rule of men entirely great,
                                                                                                                        The pen is mightier than the sword. Behold
                                                                                                                        The arch-enchanters wand! - itself a nothing! -
                                                                                                                        But taking sorcery from the master-hand
                                                                                                                        To paralyse the Caesars, and to strike
                                                                                                                        The loud earth breathless! - Take away the sword -
                                                                                                                        States can be saved without it!?

                                                                                                                        The concept of communication rather than confrontation as a method of resolving conflicts has been around for many many years, but worded somewhat differently.
                                                                                                                        Here are a few examples.

                                                                                                                        Euripides 400+ BC ? The tongue is mightier than the blade.....?

                                                                                                                        Prophet Muhammad ? The ink of the scholar is holier than the blood of the martyr...?

                                                                                                                        Shakespeare 1600 ?Many wearing rapiers are afraid of goosequills?

                                                                                                                        Cicero ?arms yield to persuasion?

                                                                                                                        This, is however, not a philosophy adopted by all, as the numbers of current global conflicts bear witness to. On the other side..

                                                                                                                        ?Actions speak louder than words?

                                                                                                                        Terry Pratchett ? Only if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp?

                                                                                                                        General MacArthur ?Whoever thinks the pen is mightier than the sword clearly has never encountered automatic weapons?

                                                                                                                        I'd say you've taken the phrase out of context to be honest. Some interesting rebuttles aswell.
                                                                                                                        stay out of our conversations, you are clearly ill equipped mentally for it. What was said was the PEN is Mightier than the Sword, the first time it was said was in the play I quoted and the cardinal that used the pen to disarm the crown, give me your address so I can get you a copy of hooked on phonics moron!

                                                                                                                        What a fucking idiot, first you try to bash me for trying to compare a sword to a gun, then you post famous quotes doing just that, go play in the street!
                                                                                                                        Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                        think about that

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                                                                                                                          • Vendzilla
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                                                                                                                            • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                            • 23200
                                                                                                                            #231
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by selena
                                                                                                                            Let's imagine for a moment that I support the idea of guns in schools, which I do not.

                                                                                                                            I don't understand it from a logistics standpoint.

                                                                                                                            My local school is small. As in around 100 kids per grade. The entire thing, K-12, is in a single locked-down campus. You can walk through it all and not go outside. I'm guessing that on average, it is a lot smaller school district than many in the country.

                                                                                                                            So let's say that we decided that an armed guard was the route to go. And he's there, and he's over in the wing where the kindergarten is. Way on the other side of the school, a high schooler comes in tardy, buzzing in through the only entrance they can come in. The office buzzes him in, he enters, takes his gun out, and starts firing into the nearest classroom.

                                                                                                                            How has having someone armed helped? Yes, the guard will eventually get there. But enough time will have passed that lots of kids are going to dead. And the guard may well take out the shooter out, and prevent more deaths.

                                                                                                                            But I can't see how that makes it better for the kids that got killed in the time that it took for the guard to get there.

                                                                                                                            I have considered that the idea of an armed guard being there might deter the shooter in the first place. But is that realistic? I don't know that people who go in to do a mass shooting think rationally, or if they do, have real expectations that they will come out alive and get away.
                                                                                                                            no, not realistic, they want to baby proof the world
                                                                                                                            Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                            think about that

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                                                                                                                              • selena
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                                                                                                                                • Aug 2004
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                                                                                                                                #232
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                no, not realistic, they want to baby proof the world
                                                                                                                                Okay, thanks.

                                                                                                                                I feel pretty strongly about what I believe. But I am also willing to listen to the other side to see if I'm missing something. I just can't see how that is a good idea.
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                                                                                                                                  • Max Potential
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                                                                                                                                    • Apr 2008
                                                                                                                                    • 1045
                                                                                                                                    #233
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by selena
                                                                                                                                    Let's imagine for a moment that I support the idea of guns in schools, which I do not.

                                                                                                                                    I don't understand it from a logistics standpoint.

                                                                                                                                    My local school is small. As in around 100 kids per grade. The entire thing, K-12, is in a single locked-down campus. You can walk through it all and not go outside. I'm guessing that on average, it is a lot smaller school district than many in the country.

                                                                                                                                    So let's say that we decided that an armed guard was the route to go. And he's there, and he's over in the wing where the kindergarten is. Way on the other side of the school, a high schooler comes in tardy, buzzing in through the only entrance they can come in. The office buzzes him in, he enters, takes his gun out, and starts firing into the nearest classroom.

                                                                                                                                    How has having someone armed helped? Yes, the guard will eventually get there. But enough time will have passed that lots of kids are going to dead. And the guard may well take out the shooter out, and prevent more deaths.

                                                                                                                                    But I can't see how that makes it better for the kids that got killed in the time that it took for the guard to get there.

                                                                                                                                    I have considered that the idea of an armed guard being there might deter the shooter in the first place. But is that realistic? I don't know that people who go in to do a mass shooting think rationally, or if they do, have real expectations that they will come out alive and get away.
                                                                                                                                    He/they would probably still get there faster than the other guys that would be called on the phone who would then have to drive to get there.

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                                                                                                                                      • selena
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                                                                                                                                        • Aug 2004
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                                                                                                                                        #234
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Max Potential
                                                                                                                                        He/they would probably still get there faster than the other guys that would be called on the phone who would then have to drive to get there.
                                                                                                                                        Agreed. But that does not mean that there is not going to be lots of deaths before he gets there.

                                                                                                                                        And I say that assuming perfect conditions...that we have a real, trained cop/ex-military...not some wanna-be-cop.
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                                                                                                                                          • PornoMonster
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                                                                                                                                            • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                            • 2257
                                                                                                                                            #235
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Mutt
                                                                                                                                            It's can't be debated that the 2nd Amendment gives the citizens the right to own a gun - when it was written the times were very different, protecting your person, your family and property and yes, defending yourself against your own government - the founding fathers weren't that confident that what they set up would work/last. and it didn't, a Civil War was fought.

                                                                                                                                            BUT............... while the Amendment does give citizens the right to bear arms, it doesn't say you have the right to bear ALL or ANY arms. Supreme Court has held that states can legislate restrictions on gun/arms ownership.

                                                                                                                                            What happens when we start producing incredible high tech guns - guns that have guided bullets that can go down your street, turn the corner, travel cross town, and right through your cheating girlfriend's window? NRA will defend ownership of them.

                                                                                                                                            Defending yourself and your family, your property - a shotgun or handgun will do the job.
                                                                                                                                            Fuck that cheating HOE.. HAHA
                                                                                                                                            While NONE of this would of stopped what just happened, we do need a few new things.
                                                                                                                                            One big one, I am for is the qualification on said weapon once or every other year!
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                                                                                                                                              • Max Potential
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                                                                                                                                                #236
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by selena
                                                                                                                                                Agreed. But that does not mean that there is not going to be lots of deaths before he gets there.

                                                                                                                                                And I say that assuming perfect conditions...that we have a real, trained cop/ex-military...not some wanna-be-cop.
                                                                                                                                                No question, but there might be a lot MORE otherwise.

                                                                                                                                                You are never going to get perfect conditions, but I like the approach that TX is thinking;

                                                                                                                                                "The rules that the school board voted unanimously on are also very strict. For teachers to carry a pistol, they must have a Texas license to carry a concealed handgun, must be authorized to carry by the district, must receive training in crisis management and hostile situations, and must only carry ammunition designed to minimize the risk of ricocheting bullets, which is what air marshals do on airplanes."

                                                                                                                                                http://www.inquisitr.com/448340/gun-...-carry-permit/

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                                                                                                                                                  • PornoMonster
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                                                                                                                                                    • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                    • 2257
                                                                                                                                                    #237
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by selena
                                                                                                                                                    Let's imagine for a moment that I support the idea of guns in schools, which I do not.

                                                                                                                                                    I don't understand it from a logistics standpoint.

                                                                                                                                                    My local school is small. As in around 100 kids per grade. The entire thing, K-12, is in a single locked-down campus. You can walk through it all and not go outside. I'm guessing that on average, it is a lot smaller school district than many in the country.

                                                                                                                                                    So let's say that we decided that an armed guard was the route to go. And he's there, and he's over in the wing where the kindergarten is. Way on the other side of the school, a high schooler comes in tardy, buzzing in through the only entrance they can come in. The office buzzes him in, he enters, takes his gun out, and starts firing into the nearest classroom.

                                                                                                                                                    How has having someone armed helped? Yes, the guard will eventually get there. But enough time will have passed that lots of kids are going to dead. And the guard may well take out the shooter out, and prevent more deaths.

                                                                                                                                                    But I can't see how that makes it better for the kids that got killed in the time that it took for the guard to get there.

                                                                                                                                                    I have considered that the idea of an armed guard being there might deter the shooter in the first place. But is that realistic? I don't know that people who go in to do a mass shooting think rationally, or if they do, have real expectations that they will come out alive and get away.
                                                                                                                                                    It doesn't make it better for the kids that did die. While some people think a Ban would of made the crazy person not bring the AR-15, it would not.

                                                                                                                                                    It took the Police 20 MINUTES to arrive at the school.
                                                                                                                                                    He had 2 handguns with plenty of ammo that he could of fired a hundred rounds in 20 minutes.
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                                                                                                                                                      • Vendzilla
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                                                                                                                                                        • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                                        • 23200
                                                                                                                                                        #238
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by selena
                                                                                                                                                        Okay, thanks.

                                                                                                                                                        I feel pretty strongly about what I believe. But I am also willing to listen to the other side to see if I'm missing something. I just can't see how that is a good idea.
                                                                                                                                                        the band wagon will pass, people will lose interest. Right now, unemployment is way up, prison population is the highest in the world, no one here can say what countries we are actively attacking right now for sure, more drugs are coming over the border than ever before. We have a government with no real leadership. ( 528 million dollars spent on the Fisker electric cars which ended up employing 500 finnish workers for a car no one can afford while the Fiat company without stimulus money will release the 500e late next year that will go a reported 100 miles on one charge )people are still losing their homes ( 1 in every 728 homes went into foreclosure this year)

                                                                                                                                                        What I'm trying to get to is the world is fucked up, losing freedoms because someone wasn't responsible or went on a killing spree is not the answer. They don't represent the responsible gun owners in the US. There are a lot of them. This forum is heavy leaning liberal and that's ok. But for all the things they want to change about the US, they don't realize how good things are right now.
                                                                                                                                                        Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                                        think about that

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                                                                                                                                                          • Rochard
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                                                                                                                                                            • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                                            • 75733
                                                                                                                                                            #239
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by selena
                                                                                                                                                            Let's imagine for a moment that I support the idea of guns in schools, which I do not.

                                                                                                                                                            I don't understand it from a logistics standpoint.

                                                                                                                                                            My local school is small. As in around 100 kids per grade. The entire thing, K-12, is in a single locked-down campus. You can walk through it all and not go outside. I'm guessing that on average, it is a lot smaller school district than many in the country.

                                                                                                                                                            So let's say that we decided that an armed guard was the route to go. And he's there, and he's over in the wing where the kindergarten is. Way on the other side of the school, a high schooler comes in tardy, buzzing in through the only entrance they can come in. The office buzzes him in, he enters, takes his gun out, and starts firing into the nearest classroom.

                                                                                                                                                            How has having someone armed helped? Yes, the guard will eventually get there. But enough time will have passed that lots of kids are going to dead. And the guard may well take out the shooter out, and prevent more deaths.

                                                                                                                                                            But I can't see how that makes it better for the kids that got killed in the time that it took for the guard to get there.

                                                                                                                                                            I have considered that the idea of an armed guard being there might deter the shooter in the first place. But is that realistic? I don't know that people who go in to do a mass shooting think rationally, or if they do, have real expectations that they will come out alive and get away.
                                                                                                                                                            Armed guards at school is not a solution at all. They had armed guards at Columbine and fifteen kids died and another twenty-one were shot and injured.

                                                                                                                                                            Then factor in that any kid who ever attended school there or any parent who attended school there knows the school layout and security procedures, well, it would be pretty easy to walk in and cause a riot.

                                                                                                                                                            The school that was attacked had a locked door and you had to show ID. And? Showing your ID to bluff your way into a school is easy enough.

                                                                                                                                                            The worst part is... My kid's school is like a prison. It has a ten foot tall iron fence with three access points. Easy for an adult to get in - pull up your car next to the gate and climb on over - but fucking impossible for a 12 year old kid to leave.
                                                                                                                                                            Herschel Savage
                                                                                                                                                            Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                                                                                                              • Rochard
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                                                                                                                                                                • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                                                • 75733
                                                                                                                                                                #240
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                Funny you should say that as I have seen many cops that had terrible aim at the range.
                                                                                                                                                                So you are saying that cops have bad aim but rent-a-cops would be much better.
                                                                                                                                                                Herschel Savage
                                                                                                                                                                Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                                                                                                                  • ThunderBalls
                                                                                                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                    • 2926
                                                                                                                                                                    #241
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                    stay out of our conversations, you are clearly ill equipped mentally for it. What was said was the PEN is Mightier than the Sword, the first time it was said was in the play I quoted and the cardinal that used the pen to disarm the crown, give me your address so I can get you a copy of hooked on phonics moron!

                                                                                                                                                                    What a fucking idiot, first you try to bash me for trying to compare a sword to a gun, then you post famous quotes doing just that, go play in the street!

                                                                                                                                                                    You're exactly the reason guns should be regulated. You make Johnnyclips seem like a genius you senile old fuck.

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                                                                                                                                                                      • Rochard
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                                                                                                                                                                        • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                                                        • 75733
                                                                                                                                                                        #242
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Mutt
                                                                                                                                                                        It's can't be debated that the 2nd Amendment gives the citizens the right to own a gun - when it was written the times were very different, protecting your person, your family and property and yes, defending yourself against your own government - the founding fathers weren't that confident that what they set up would work/last. and it didn't, a Civil War was fought.

                                                                                                                                                                        BUT............... while the Amendment does give citizens the right to bear arms, it doesn't say you have the right to bear ALL or ANY arms. Supreme Court has held that states can legislate restrictions on gun/arms ownership.

                                                                                                                                                                        What happens when we start producing incredible high tech guns - guns that have guided bullets that can go down your street, turn the corner, travel cross town, and right through your cheating girlfriend's window? NRA will defend ownership of them.

                                                                                                                                                                        Defending yourself and your family, your property - a shotgun or handgun will do the job.
                                                                                                                                                                        The 2nd Amendment was written for a number of reasons... In fact, the government expected it's armed citizens to protect the government by suppressing insurrection and repelling invasion. It was also meant for self defense, but this was in a time when law enforcement barely existed and was usually hours away. These items are no longer issues - we have law enforcement and we have a massive military force that insures we will never be invaded.

                                                                                                                                                                        I have an assault rifle - An AR15. For the love of god, why does anyone need this? To hunt rabbits?
                                                                                                                                                                        Herschel Savage
                                                                                                                                                                        Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                                                                                                                          • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                            Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                                                            • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                                                            • 23200
                                                                                                                                                                            #243
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                                                                                                            So you are saying that cops have bad aim but rent-a-cops would be much better.
                                                                                                                                                                            quit making things up, never said anything about rent a cops. Rent a cops are usually limited on size of ammo and a 38 won't always put down someone.

                                                                                                                                                                            I think it's pretty bad that we as a nation have to even talk about putting protection at our schools. the government just gets bigger, taxes go up because the government needs to waste more money on things that don't work. I mean you think the Pope is safe in that funny car of his? A 50 BMG would go right thru that. That's what that round was made for.
                                                                                                                                                                            the world is messed up, making it baby proof is NOT going to make it better
                                                                                                                                                                            Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                                                            think about that

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                                                                                                                                                                              • Max Potential
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                                                                                                                                                                                • Apr 2008
                                                                                                                                                                                • 1045
                                                                                                                                                                                #244
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                                                                                                                I have an assault rifle - An AR15. For the love of god, why does anyone need this? To hunt rabbits?
                                                                                                                                                                                Wait, so you have an AR15, but you think no one else should be able to?

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                                    Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                                                                    • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 23200
                                                                                                                                                                                    #245
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by ThunderBalls
                                                                                                                                                                                    You're exactly the reason guns should be regulated. You make Johnnyclips seem like a genius you senile old fuck.
                                                                                                                                                                                    I hear a lot of opinion, but no substance, try again when you're ready.

                                                                                                                                                                                    BTW, moron, my guns are either registered or handed down, hence they are regulated, where did I say they shouldn't be regulated? Senility would be where you imagine things that aren't there right? Like you thinking I'm for not regulating guns. That would be irresponsible.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                                                                    think about that

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Max Potential
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Apr 2008
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 1045
                                                                                                                                                                                        #246
                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                                                                                                                        Armed guards at school is not a solution at all. They had armed guards at Columbine and fifteen kids died and another twenty-one were shot and injured.
                                                                                                                                                                                        "That?s right, but it isn?t like the deputy was sitting around eating doughnuts during the Columbine massacre. He traded fire (that is, he drew fire) with Harris for an extended period of time, during which Harris?s gun jammed. The deputy and the backup he immediately called for exchanged fire with the shooters a second time and helped begin the evacuation of students, all before the SWAT teams and the rest of the cavalry arrived, and before Harris and Klebold killed themselves in the library. Harris and Klebold had an assault plan ? a sloppy plan, but a plan nonetheless. They had dozens of IEDs, some of which detonated, others of which did not. And there were two of them. In this highly chaotic tactical environment, the deputy acted both bravely and prudently, and who knows how many lives he saved by engaging Harris."

                                                                                                                                                                                        Source: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...daniel-foster#
                                                                                                                                                                                        Last edited by Max Potential; 12-22-2012, 08:25 AM.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Minte
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 7081
                                                                                                                                                                                            #247
                                                                                                                                                                                            That's it?

                                                                                                                                                                                            Everytime I log on to this board I hear from someone how smart they are. And anyone that doesn't agree with them is an idiot.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Why haven't any of you geniuses done anything with that superior intellect.


                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by BlackCrayon
                                                                                                                                                                                            You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Max Potential
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Apr 2008
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 1045
                                                                                                                                                                                                #248
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                                                                                                                                Armed guards at school is not a solution at all. They had armed guards at Columbine and fifteen kids died and another twenty-one were shot and injured.
                                                                                                                                                                                                From the same article as mentioned above;

                                                                                                                                                                                                "At Newtown, Lanza was delayed from entering the school?s main entrance, and had to shoot his way in through a security window. His tactics were far less sophisticated than Harris? and Klebold?s. It?s not implausible to think, afforded the time to respond by Lanza?s delay at the front door, an armed officer could have put him down before he began killing in earnest. Not a guarantee, but far from implausible."

                                                                                                                                                                                                Source: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...daniel-foster#

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • BlackCrayon
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 19634
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #249
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Minte
                                                                                                                                                                                                    That's it?

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Everytime I log on to this board I hear from someone how smart they are. And anyone that doesn't agree with them is an idiot.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Why haven't any of you geniuses done anything with that superior intellect.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Who is calling themselves geniuses? You won't find me calling anyone an idiot if they don't agree with me. I can't speak for everyone but its typically people for the status quo who get the most upset. I am just running my business and come here to break up the work day.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    A difference in opinion and solutions doesn't mean superior intellect. You are attaching that to it. You have made numerous comments in the past that its too 'blue collar' here and basically infer that those who aren't as successful as yourself couldn't or shouldn't have good ideas and contributions. Thats what the video was for, to show you how silly that is.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • tony286
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 57021
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #250
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                                                                                                                                        The 2nd Amendment was written for a number of reasons... In fact, the government expected it's armed citizens to protect the government by suppressing insurrection and repelling invasion. It was also meant for self defense, but this was in a time when law enforcement barely existed and was usually hours away. These items are no longer issues - we have law enforcement and we have a massive military force that insures we will never be invaded.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I have an assault rifle - An AR15. For the love of god, why does anyone need this? To hunt rabbits?
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Bingo it wasn't to rise up. It was to protect the government.

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