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  • tony286
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    • Aug 2002
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    #151
    Originally posted by Vendzilla
    not true, they can buy all the ammo they want at the gun ranges and the country has over 3,000 gun ranges
    you can control it . liquor is controlled, drugs are controlled. How many drugs stores are there in this country? To buy fucking cold meds you need to give them your license but for 6000 rounds its too much of a problem.

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    • Vendzilla
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      • Mar 2004
      • 23200

      #152
      Originally posted by tony286
      the problem is the recent shootings werent criminals. I think you want to buy 6000 rounds of ammo, someone should ask why do you need that? someone buys a shitload of guns quick, they should be asked why do you need all these guns?
      We could cut gun ownership in half dont ban it but make a law for mandatory training for 4 weekends a year. Such a great responsibly is treated way too lightly.
      I've gone thru 1000 rounds in an afternoon shooting with my daughter, not that hard.
      Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
      think about that

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      • Vendzilla
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        • Mar 2004
        • 23200

        #153
        Originally posted by tony286
        you can control it . liquor is controlled, drugs are controlled. How many drugs stores are there in this country? To buy fucking cold meds you need to give them your license but for 6000 rounds its too much of a problem.
        Yet the democrats insist no one needs a ID to vote?
        Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
        think about that

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        • Vendzilla
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          • Mar 2004
          • 23200

          #154
          Originally posted by tony286
          you can control it . liquor is controlled, drugs are controlled. How many drugs stores are there in this country? To buy fucking cold meds you need to give them your license but for 6000 rounds its too much of a problem.
          Yet Chrystal Meth use is growing, anyone can get liquor, yet the politicians will tell you that getting out your ID is going to fix the problem and people believe it. People go to the range and blow away boxes of ammo each time they shoot, that's why many reload their own ammo. I've seen guys get 6 rounds out of a single action revolver faster than I can get out of a semi auto
          Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
          think about that

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          • Vendzilla
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            • Mar 2004
            • 23200

            #155
            oh shit, I see I went over 12k posts
            Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
            think about that

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            • madm1k3
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              • Jul 2005
              • 472

              #156
              Of the 32,000 gun deaths in America gun murders account for about 9,000.

              The vast majority of these deaths are suicide and those would probably happen no matter what

              There is about 500 - 600 accidental shootings

              Most of these gun deaths can be attributed to failed drug policies. Infact the murder rate has dropped steadily in the USA over the past 20 years
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              • 2MuchMark
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                • Aug 2004
                • 50969

                #157
                Originally posted by baddog
                There is a reason the NRA is not the powerhouse they used to be; based on your comments (haven't seen press conference) I'd say they are about to lose my wind in their sails.
                That is great to hear. I know you and I have our differences, but seriously the NRA is a terrible organization.

                They could have gained a little respect by acknowledging the latest shootings, admitted that the second amendment is out of date and needs to be modernized, etc.

                I don't own a gun and never will, but I fully respect the rights to anyone to own guns. This isn't the problem.

                The problem is that the NRA uses fear to drive people into a frenzy to buy more and more guns, more powerful guns, and more ammunition. They push for laws which many outsides like myself consider insane.

                Yes, the core of the NRA was to promote responsible gun ownership. This core, healthy belief though was lost a long time ago. They have failed at their jobs, and the current head of the NRA, is a total embarrassment not just to the NRA, but to Americans in general. The speech (not a press conference) he gave today was one of the worst things I had ever heard. How anyone could remain a member after that is beyond me.

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                • Vendzilla
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                  • Mar 2004
                  • 23200

                  #158
                  Originally posted by madm1k3
                  Of the 32,000 gun deaths in America gun murders account for about 9,000.

                  The vast majority of these deaths are suicide and those would probably happen no matter what

                  There is about 500 - 600 accidental shootings

                  Most of these gun deaths can be attributed to failed drug policies. Infact the murder rate has dropped steadily in the USA over the past 20 years
                  I think we need to get the kids off all these damn drugs that doctors prescribe to them
                  Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                  think about that

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                  • Vendzilla
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                    • Mar 2004
                    • 23200

                    #159
                    Originally posted by MarkPrince
                    That is great to hear. I know you and I have our differences, but seriously the NRA is a terrible organization.

                    They could have gained a little respect by acknowledging the latest shootings, admitted that the second amendment is out of date and needs to be modernized, etc.

                    I don't own a gun and never will, but I fully respect the rights to anyone to own guns. This isn't the problem.

                    The problem is that the NRA uses fear to drive people into a frenzy to buy more and more guns, more powerful guns, and more ammunition. They push for laws which many outsides like myself consider insane.

                    Yes, the core of the NRA was to promote responsible gun ownership. This core, healthy belief though was lost a long time ago. They have failed at their jobs, and the current head of the NRA, is a total embarrassment not just to the NRA, but to Americans in general. The speech (not a press conference) he gave today was one of the worst things I had ever heard. How anyone could remain a member after that is beyond me.
                    it sounds like you are judging an organization and Americans based on a speech by one person. Charlton Heston, he believed we have rights, he personified the core beliefs of the NRA which is still responsible gun ownership, He also believed in equal rights for everyone and proved that by marching with MLK, this is still something that is passed down from responsible parents to their children, My daughter loved shooting with me at the local range and looked bad ass with a M1 Carbine with a Bayonnette on the end. You getting in here and telling me I should be embarrassed because of something someone said I don't know belonging to a group I have nothing to do with adds nothing to the conversation


                    For the record, I get more fear reading about what my government is doing over what the NRA is saying
                    Last edited by Vendzilla; 12-21-2012, 03:20 PM.
                    Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                    think about that

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                    • tony286
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                      • Aug 2002
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                      #160
                      Originally posted by Vendzilla
                      Yet the democrats insist no one needs a ID to vote?
                      what does that have to do with little children being shot multiple times?

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                      • tony286
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                        • Aug 2002
                        • 57021

                        #161
                        by the way,columbine had a armed guard working during the shooting there.

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                        • SuckOnThis
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                          • Oct 2003
                          • 6844

                          #162
                          Originally posted by Vendzilla
                          I think we need to get the kids off all these damn drugs that doctors prescribe to them

                          So the problem is video games, music, the media, prescription drugs, gun free zones, god not being in schools, every fucking thing under the sun except guns.

                          All the things listed above are also in every country on the planet and they don't have the gun violence we have. Explain that one.

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                          • madm1k3
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                            • Jul 2005
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                            #163
                            Originally posted by Vendzilla
                            I think we need to get the kids off all these damn drugs that doctors prescribe to them
                            That would be the first thing I would look at

                            It seems to be an overriding trend that in these mass shootings the shooter was on some sort of medication.

                            But I am sure the pharmaceutical companies are more than happy the conversation is about AR 15's
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                            • Vendzilla
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                              • Mar 2004
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                              #164
                              Originally posted by tony286
                              what does that have to do with little children being shot multiple times?
                              Why do you think showing an id for cold medicine is doing anything about curbing meth use in this country? It's getting worse. Same if they do this with guns, just like when they did it for Alcohol.
                              Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                              think about that

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                              • Vendzilla
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                                • Mar 2004
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                                #165
                                Originally posted by tony286
                                by the way,columbine had a armed guard working during the shooting there.
                                I never said anything about armed guards, I don't think that's a viable answer
                                Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                think about that

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                                • Vendzilla
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                                  • Mar 2004
                                  • 23200

                                  #166
                                  Originally posted by madm1k3
                                  That would be the first thing I would look at

                                  It seems to be an overriding trend that in these mass shootings the shooter was on some sort of medication.

                                  But I am sure the pharmaceutical companies are more than happy the conversation is about AR 15's
                                  All I know is kids smoked pot when I was a kid, now they are on anti depressants before they hit puberty. That shit fucks up your brain chemistry. We had this big war on drugs and did it help? NO. People are on more medication now than ever. Meth is on the rise and that crap causes the heat in your body to rise cooking your brain.
                                  Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                  think about that

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                                  • madm1k3
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                                    • Jul 2005
                                    • 472

                                    #167
                                    Originally posted by SuckOnThis
                                    So the problem is video games, music, the media, prescription drugs, gun free zones, god not being in schools, every fucking thing under the sun except guns.
                                    I believe in proper gun regulations, (licensing, background checks, being held accountable if you don't store your guns properly and they are used in a crime, and heavy penalties for improper operation) but I think banning AR15's is not going to accomplish anything.

                                    The fact of the matter is that Chicago had 435 homicides last year, mostly due to gang violence over the drug trade. This number would have been the exact same with an AR 15 ban.

                                    The culture of gun violence goes way deeper than a quick "We'll ban assult rifles" fix
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                                    • Vendzilla
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                                      • Mar 2004
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                                      #168
                                      Originally posted by madm1k3
                                      I believe in proper gun regulations, (licensing, background checks, being held accountable if you don't store your guns properly and they are used in a crime, and heavy penalties for improper operation) but I think banning AR15's is not going to accomplish anything.

                                      The fact of the matter is that Chicago had 435 homicides last year, mostly due to gang violence over the drug trade. This number would have been the exact same with an AR 15 ban.

                                      The culture of gun violence goes way deeper than a quick "We'll ban assult rifles" fix
                                      Don't pay attention to him, he's a moron. Some people don't get that a gun is an inadament object, it has no will of it's own, more people die from misdiagnosis from doctors every year than from guns, so with their reasoning, doctors are next.
                                      Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                      think about that

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                                      • georgeyw
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                                        • Jul 2005
                                        • 9865

                                        #169
                                        Originally posted by selena
                                        A transcript of the press conference is here.
                                        What a great comment at that link :

                                        Let's consider this, Mr. Lapierre: If 25 or 30 children were killed at a Chucky Cheese party or at a McDonald's team party, would you be as insultingly brain-dead to urge posting armed police at every national location (as you did with schools)?

                                        What a red-herring sound bite to obscure the real problem: crazies with Automatic weapons with pocketfuls of big clips.

                                        You can verbally bob and weave, but you can't hide from that fact.

                                        Why not ask the NRA membership to take a stand AGAINST the sale of the Automatic weapons? (These are a universe away from the single shot muskets that the framers of the Constitution had in mind.)
                                        When you buy a gun in the US, do they have to be registered?

                                        If so, then a gun amnesty / buy back is not impossible at all.

                                        In Australia, gun owners are required to have a safe and the police swing by randomly to check where your guns are kept - they make sure they are in a secure location.

                                        Along with all guns being registered / gun amnesty / buy back etc all happened with no big problem. However there isn't much of a gun culture over here.
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                                        • SuckOnThis
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                                          • Oct 2003
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                                          #170
                                          Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                          Don't pay attention to him, he's a moron. Some people don't get that a gun is an inadament object, it has no will of it's own, more people die from misdiagnosis from doctors every year than from guns, so with their reasoning, doctors are next.
                                          You're blaming box cutters and doctors and I'm the moron.

                                          Whats next? You going to bring up that the Spanish had cannons on their ships?


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                                          • Vendzilla
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                                            • Mar 2004
                                            • 23200

                                            #171
                                            Originally posted by georgeyw
                                            What a great comment at that link :



                                            When you buy a gun in the US, do they have to be registered?

                                            If so, then a gun amnesty / buy back is not impossible at all.

                                            In Australia, gun owners are required to have a safe and the police swing by randomly to check where your guns are kept - they make sure they are in a secure location.

                                            Along with all guns being registered / gun amnesty / buy back etc all happened with no big problem. However there isn't much of a gun culture over here.
                                            Logistics would have to be bad too, considering all the open country you have there, new guns have to be registered, there is a waiting period before they can give you the gun and a background check. Most states require a gun safety course unless you have a DD214
                                            Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                            think about that

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                                            • sandman!
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                                              • Mar 2001
                                              • 15431

                                              #172




                                              Originally posted by Minte
                                              It has to do with the fact that you and your group want to ignore the fact that there are hundreds of millions of weapons in the hands of the people.

                                              What is your plan for that?

                                              How about this, I will make the offer to you and the rest of your gang in this thread to pay your plane tickets and lodging to come to the US and start collecting all those weapons that are already in the hands of the people. You will start on the south side of Chicago.

                                              I'll even pay you $100 cash for every gun you collect.
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                                              • sandman!
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                                                • Mar 2001
                                                • 15431

                                                #173
                                                there are shithole parts of chicago i would never want to live in whats your point go live where the trash lives ?

                                                not interested in living anywhere thats that fucked up dont matter what country it is as far as im concerned most of africa is a shithole to be avoided.


                                                Originally posted by halfpint
                                                Its not idealsim its what happens when so many people own guns and life means nothing to a lot of people.

                                                In the last few months we lived in SA, my dad got so paranoid he ended up sleeping with the gun under his pillow and almost shot the next doors neighbours maid. He fired at her in the dark and luckily he missed.

                                                If thats how you want to live then so be it, but to me I would never want to live like that ever again.
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                                                • tony286
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                                                  • Aug 2002
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                                                  #174
                                                  http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...src=most_viral

                                                  114 people have been killed by guns since newtown happened last week.

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                                                  • Vendzilla
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                                                    • Mar 2004
                                                    • 23200

                                                    #175
                                                    Originally posted by tony286
                                                    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...src=most_viral

                                                    114 people have been killed by guns since newtown happened last week.
                                                    out of 312 million, I can accept those numbers

                                                    of course 2,030 people died from prescription drugs approved by the FDA in the same amount of time

                                                    http://www.naturalnews.com/036599_gu...gs_deaths.html
                                                    Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                    think about that

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                                                    • TCLGirls
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                                                      • Feb 2010
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                                                      #176
                                                      Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                      Yet the democrats insist no one needs a ID to vote?
                                                      very hard to kill someone using a voting ballot
                                                      very easy to kill someone using a firearm

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                                                      • Vendzilla
                                                        Biker Gnome
                                                        • Mar 2004
                                                        • 23200

                                                        #177
                                                        Originally posted by TCLGirls
                                                        very hard to kill someone using a voting ballot
                                                        very easy to kill someone using a firearm
                                                        guess you never heard the phrase, the pen is mightier than the sword?
                                                        Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                        think about that

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                                                        • tony286
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                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                          • 57021

                                                          #178
                                                          Originally posted by TCLGirls
                                                          very hard to kill someone using a voting ballot
                                                          very easy to kill someone using a firearm
                                                          if he cant give obama a kick regardless the topic,he isnt happy. lol

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                                                          • TCLGirls
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                                                            #179
                                                            Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                            guess you never heard the phrase, the pen is mightier than the sword?
                                                            it take multiple people to "kill" someone using a voting ballot
                                                            it only takes one person to kill someone using a gun

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                                                            • TCLGirls
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                                                              #180
                                                              Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                              guess you never heard the phrase, the pen is mightier than the sword?
                                                              Furthermore, that quote refers to the greater power one can achieve by appealing to people's minds, rather than the power one can achieve by using weapons against others.

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                                                              • JP-pornshooter
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                                                                #181
                                                                Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                Shoots completely different, Mini 14 .223 is a rifle round where the carbine is a 30 caliber pistol round.
                                                                it is considered a high velocity round, due to the relatively light weight projectile and high energy load. it basically explodes on impact.

                                                                Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                not true, they can buy all the ammo they want at the gun ranges and the country has over 3,000 gun ranges
                                                                to be used on the range, no ammo taken home.
                                                                rules are rules.

                                                                Originally posted by Minte
                                                                $5b...the federal government spends that every 12 hours.

                                                                Who is talking about minimum wage rent-a-cops..I have said more than once, that our veterans are ending their terms of service with the military and finding no jobs.
                                                                1. Schools are already very hard hit. Many elementary schools no longer have a nurse, librarian or computer teacher, cant imagine they can afford a security guard.
                                                                2. I would be concerned putting a vet from say Afghanistan in as a security guard at a school, he might be slightly trigger happy?

                                                                Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                I've gone thru 1000 rounds in an afternoon shooting with my daughter, not that hard.
                                                                and that is no problem, buy the ammo at the range then, and leave it there.
                                                                the range has safe storage.

                                                                Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                All I know is kids smoked pot when I was a kid, now they are on anti depressants before they hit puberty. That shit fucks up your brain chemistry. We had this big war on drugs and did it help? NO. People are on more medication now than ever. Meth is on the rise and that crap causes the heat in your body to rise cooking your brain.
                                                                agree 100% - this has to be examined and dealt with.

                                                                Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                out of 312 million, I can accept those numbers

                                                                of course 2,030 people died from prescription drugs approved by the FDA in the same amount of time

                                                                http://www.naturalnews.com/036599_gu...gs_deaths.html
                                                                again why would we not want to limit those numbers, just because smoking, drugs and and the common cold may kill more people doesnt mean those people involuntarily dead from gun violence couldnt be a much smaller number, just by doing what common sense dictates:
                                                                ban on assault weapons and assault ammo.
                                                                thorough back ground check on new gun owners
                                                                buy back / amnesty for current legal owners of AR's (unless they have a very specific reason/license to own one of these weapons)

                                                                happy Christmas folks.
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                                                                • xXXtesy10
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                                                                  #182
                                                                  Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                  I've gone thru 1000 rounds in an afternoon shooting with my daughter, not that hard.
                                                                  not hard with assault rifle, try something else
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                                                                  • DTK
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                                                                    #183
                                                                    The NRA is the mouthpiece of the US gun manufacturers. Nothing more.


                                                                    ps. I'm a gun owner and believe in a strong 2nd amendment
                                                                    Last edited by DTK; 12-21-2012, 05:30 PM.
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                                                                    • Vendzilla
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                                                                      • Mar 2004
                                                                      • 23200

                                                                      #184
                                                                      Originally posted by JP-pornshooter
                                                                      it is considered a high velocity round, due to the relatively light weight projectile and high energy load. it basically explodes on impact.
                                                                      No, high velocity rounds do not explode on impact unless designed to do that. .223 are either hard or soft or hollow, big difference on what happens when they hit

                                                                      to be used on the range, no ammo taken home.
                                                                      rules are rules.
                                                                      What I read implies they don't follow that rule

                                                                      1. Schools are already very hard hit. Many elementary schools no longer have a nurse, librarian or computer teacher, cant imagine they can afford a security guard.
                                                                      2. I would be concerned putting a vet from say Afghanistan in as a security guard at a school, he might be slightly trigger happy?
                                                                      I agree, pissed me off to see the under funding in schools as a parent. They didn't even have PE in High School
                                                                      and that is no problem, buy the ammo at the range then, and leave it there.
                                                                      the range has safe storage.
                                                                      My range was on BLM land, no storage


                                                                      agree 100% - this has to be examined and dealt with.
                                                                      not as long as the pharmacies have anything to say about it

                                                                      again why would we not want to limit those numbers, just because smoking, drugs and and the common cold may kill more people doesnt mean those people involuntarily dead from gun violence couldnt be a much smaller number, just by doing what common sense dictates:
                                                                      ban on assault weapons and assault ammo.
                                                                      thorough back ground check on new gun owners
                                                                      buy back / amnesty for current legal owners of AR's (unless they have a very specific reason/license to own one of these weapons)

                                                                      happy Christmas folks.
                                                                      Did you see the picture I posted of the mini 14, does the same thing as an AR-15, same ammo, same capacity. Yet it's not a assault weapon. Like most in this thread, the politicians know jack shit about guns, assault ammo? the .223 is a tiny bullet used for hunting varmits
                                                                      Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                      think about that

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                                                                      • JP-pornshooter
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                                                                        #185
                                                                        Originally posted by DTK
                                                                        The NRA is the mouthpiece of the US gun manufacturers. Nothing more.


                                                                        ps. I'm a gun owner and believe in a strong 2nd amendment
                                                                        i am also..
                                                                        what i dont understand is why the NRA gets so much "time" on the news media.
                                                                        if the media reduced the NRA to the level of press time they deserve then they would become much less important. personally i dont give a shit what NRA says or thinks, its basically a grass-root organization with strong lobby activity.
                                                                        NRA members especially those in DC should be brought to public attention and who is behind sponsoring them.
                                                                        "Obscenity is whatever gives the Judge an erection." -- Author Unknown

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                                                                        • Vendzilla
                                                                          Biker Gnome
                                                                          • Mar 2004
                                                                          • 23200

                                                                          #186
                                                                          Originally posted by xXXtesy10
                                                                          not hard with assault rifle, try something else
                                                                          it's a semi auto, just looks like an assault rifle. and that's not the only guns I shoot. I have flint lock horse pistols. I would rather be shot with an AR than one of those
                                                                          Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                          think about that

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                                                                          • Lester Burnham
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                                                                            • Aug 2006
                                                                            • 540

                                                                            #187
                                                                            What I find ironic is the NRA is a conservative organization and mostly supported by the right.

                                                                            So what do they propose?

                                                                            Let's spend $5 BILLION in taxpayer money (and that's conservative estimate) to put police officers in every school. Oh yea, let's have more federally funded law enforcement officials. TSA really worked out (umm..NOT).

                                                                            One universal truth is when people are scared, they will happily give up their rights and hope the government protects them from the boogie man.

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                                                                            • Vendzilla
                                                                              Biker Gnome
                                                                              • Mar 2004
                                                                              • 23200

                                                                              #188
                                                                              Originally posted by JP-pornshooter
                                                                              i am also..
                                                                              what i dont understand is why the NRA gets so much "time" on the news media.
                                                                              if the media reduced the NRA to the level of press time they deserve then they would become much less important. personally i dont give a shit what NRA says or thinks, its basically a grass-root organization with strong lobby activity.
                                                                              NRA members especially those in DC should be brought to public attention and who is behind sponsoring them.
                                                                              Any organization that's protecting a constitutional right deserves to be heard, sorry you think rights can be thrown away so easy without thought

                                                                              NRA has more members than you think they do and have more going on than you think they do, they have been around more than 100 years. Brought to public attention? Now were on witch hunts? You really have a problem with freedom?

                                                                              What I don't get is the time the news spent on the shooter, who gives a fuck?, Do you? why should we, he was a coward and should be dumped in an unmarked hole and forgotten.
                                                                              Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                              think about that

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                                                                              • Vendzilla
                                                                                Biker Gnome
                                                                                • Mar 2004
                                                                                • 23200

                                                                                #189
                                                                                Originally posted by Lester Burnham
                                                                                What I find ironic is the NRA is a conservative organization and mostly supported by the right.

                                                                                So what do they propose?

                                                                                Let's spend $5 BILLION in taxpayer money (and that's conservative estimate) to put police officers in every school. Oh yea, let's have more federally funded law enforcement officials. TSA really worked out (umm..NOT).

                                                                                One universal truth is when people are scared, they will happily give up their rights and hope the government protects them from the boogie man.
                                                                                thanx, I feel I'm better off protecting myself than relying on the police for anything
                                                                                Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                think about that

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                                                                                • tony286
                                                                                  lurker
                                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                                  • 57021

                                                                                  #190
                                                                                  Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                  Any organization that's protecting a constitutional right deserves to be heard, sorry you think rights can be thrown away so easy without thought

                                                                                  NRA has more members than you think they do and have more going on than you think they do, they have been around more than 100 years. Brought to public attention? Now were on witch hunts? You really have a problem with freedom?

                                                                                  What I don't get is the time the news spent on the shooter, who gives a fuck?, Do you? why should we, he was a coward and should be dumped in an unmarked hole and forgotten.
                                                                                  They arent protecting constitutional rights, they are protecting gun sales.

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                                                                                  • Rochard
                                                                                    Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                                                                    • Dec 2001
                                                                                    • 75733

                                                                                    #191
                                                                                    Originally posted by Lester Burnham
                                                                                    What I find ironic is the NRA is a conservative organization and mostly supported by the right.

                                                                                    So what do they propose?

                                                                                    Let's spend $5 BILLION in taxpayer money (and that's conservative estimate) to put police officers in every school. Oh yea, let's have more federally funded law enforcement officials. TSA really worked out (umm..NOT).

                                                                                    One universal truth is when people are scared, they will happily give up their rights and hope the government protects them from the boogie man.
                                                                                    It will cost more than five billion dollars. On the local news here in Sacramento, California, they just reported it would cost at least one billion dollars. That's one state - granted, a large state, but still only one state.
                                                                                    Herschel Savage
                                                                                    Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                                    • DTK
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Feb 2002
                                                                                      • 4546

                                                                                      #192
                                                                                      Originally posted by JP-pornshooter
                                                                                      its basically a grass-root organization with strong lobby activity.
                                                                                      That's the thing JP, it's not a grassroots organization anymore. It's been totally co-opted by the gun manufacturers.

                                                                                      A strong majority of NRA members are in favor of some tightening of gun laws (assault weapons, background checks, no guns for crazy people), but the leadership doesn't care. They're paid servants of the gun manufacturers.
                                                                                      Arguing whether the Democratic or Republican party is better is like debating which steaming pile of shit is slightly less stinky.

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                                                                                      • DTK
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Feb 2002
                                                                                        • 4546

                                                                                        #193
                                                                                        Originally posted by tony286
                                                                                        They arent protecting constitutional rights, they are protecting gun sales.
                                                                                        Exactly this.
                                                                                        Arguing whether the Democratic or Republican party is better is like debating which steaming pile of shit is slightly less stinky.

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                                                                                        • tony286
                                                                                          lurker
                                                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                                                          • 57021

                                                                                          #194
                                                                                          Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                          It will cost more than five billion dollars. On the local news here in Sacramento, California, they just reported it would cost at least one billion dollars. That's one state - granted, a large state, but still only one state.
                                                                                          25 percent gun, ammo and gun license tax. Like a sin tax on liquor and cigs. A school protection tax.

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                                                                                          • Vendzilla
                                                                                            Biker Gnome
                                                                                            • Mar 2004
                                                                                            • 23200

                                                                                            #195
                                                                                            Originally posted by TCLGirls
                                                                                            Furthermore, that quote refers to the greater power one can achieve by appealing to people's minds, rather than the power one can achieve by using weapons against others.
                                                                                            True, This! ?
                                                                                            Beneath the rule of men entirely great
                                                                                            The pen is mightier than the sword. Behold
                                                                                            The arch-enchanters wand! ? itself is nothing! ?
                                                                                            But taking sorcery from the master-hand
                                                                                            To paralyse the Cæsars, and to strike
                                                                                            The loud earth breathless! ? Take away the sword ?
                                                                                            States can be saved without it!

                                                                                            have you never read the stories of the 3 musketeers and Cardinal Richelieu who tried to take over France by disarming the country of the Musketeers?
                                                                                            Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                            think about that

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                                                                                            • Rochard
                                                                                              Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                                                                              • Dec 2001
                                                                                              • 75733

                                                                                              #196
                                                                                              Originally posted by JP-pornshooter
                                                                                              1. Schools are already very hard hit. Many elementary schools no longer have a nurse, librarian or computer teacher, cant imagine they can afford a security guard.
                                                                                              2. I would be concerned putting a vet from say Afghanistan in as a security guard at a school, he might be slightly trigger happy?
                                                                                              My kid's school has a nurse that comes to school once a week. I find this stunning.
                                                                                              Herschel Savage
                                                                                              Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                                              • TCLGirls
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Feb 2010
                                                                                                • 3068

                                                                                                #197
                                                                                                Originally posted by tony286
                                                                                                25 percent gun, ammo and gun license tax. Like a sin tax on liquor and cigs. A school protection tax.
                                                                                                Although I agree with an additional tax on firearms sales...the argument against that is it is illegal to tax a Constitutional right.

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                                                                                                • JP-pornshooter
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Sep 2006
                                                                                                  • 4007

                                                                                                  #198
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Vendzilla

                                                                                                  Did you see the picture I posted of the mini 14, does the same thing as an AR-15, same ammo, same capacity. Yet it's not a assault weapon. Like most in this thread, the politicians know jack shit about guns, assault ammo? the .223 is a tiny bullet used for hunting varmits
                                                                                                  but basically this gun has the characteristics of an assault rifle and hence should be banned. if you need to shoot varmits you can buy a 22LR.
                                                                                                  you know the .223 is an assault type ammo.

                                                                                                  Originally posted by Lester Burnham

                                                                                                  One universal truth is when people are scared, they will happily give up their rights and hope the government protects them from the boogie man.
                                                                                                  give up what rights?
                                                                                                  and dont we pay the government, police, military to protect us all from the boogie man?
                                                                                                  perhaps one area we should leave to professionals and give them the tools to keep everyone out of harms way and make everyone feel safe so there is no need for a gun in the car..
                                                                                                  "Obscenity is whatever gives the Judge an erection." -- Author Unknown

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                                                                                                  • Rochard
                                                                                                    Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                                                                                    • Dec 2001
                                                                                                    • 75733

                                                                                                    #199
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                    Don't pay attention to him, he's a moron. Some people don't get that a gun is an inadament object, it has no will of it's own, more people die from misdiagnosis from doctors every year than from guns, so with their reasoning, doctors are next.
                                                                                                    I have to pay to register my car. Why don't we have to pay to register firearms?

                                                                                                    Why do we need a license to drive a car, yet we don't require a license to own a firearm?
                                                                                                    Herschel Savage
                                                                                                    Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                                                    • TCLGirls
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Feb 2010
                                                                                                      • 3068

                                                                                                      #200
                                                                                                      Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                      True, This! ?
                                                                                                      Beneath the rule of men entirely great
                                                                                                      The pen is mightier than the sword. Behold
                                                                                                      The arch-enchanters wand! ? itself is nothing! ?
                                                                                                      But taking sorcery from the master-hand
                                                                                                      To paralyse the Cæsars, and to strike
                                                                                                      The loud earth breathless! ? Take away the sword ?
                                                                                                      States can be saved without it!

                                                                                                      have you never read the stories of the 3 musketeers and Cardinal Richelieu who tried to take over France by disarming the country of the Musketeers?
                                                                                                      Are you trying to make an analogy to armed US Citizens taking up arms against the US Government?

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