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SuckOnThis · 12-19-2012, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dgraves

Because Freedom can't exist without having the ability to protect yourself.

That dudes mom sure did a hell of a job protecting herself with her guns.

StickyGreen · 12-19-2012, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

I doubt it would really work out if it came down to that but regardless, in the meantime, innocent people are dying.

Way more innocent people have died due to the actions of the US military and it's allies than in random domestic shootings... of course I don't hear you complaining about that though, I guess little brown middle eastern babies don't count... the hundreds of thousands of Japanese people who got nuked don't count either...

And how many people are in the USA? Like probably close to 400 million now? How many innocent people have died in recent mass shootings? Like 60 or so? Yea man, innocent people in America are just dropping like flies... lol

BlackCrayon · 12-19-2012, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen

Way more innocent people have died due to the actions of the US military and it's allies than in random domestic shootings... of course I don't hear you complaining about that though, I guess little brown middle eastern babies don't count... the hundreds of thousands of Japanese people who got nuked don't count either...

And how many people are in the USA? Like probably close to 400 million now? How many innocent people have died in recent mass shootings? Like 60 or so? Yea man, innocent people in America are just dropping like flies... lol

I have complained about that plenty in the past. I don't support whats being carried out by the military at all. its all self serving and those dying are doing so for absolutely nothing to with freedom. i was just trying to point out how foolish the idea is that all of the tragedies are necessary to prevent possible future tyranny.

how many people have to die for it to count for you? the needlessness is what makes people so angry by these types of crimes. people are desensitized to hearing about brown people being killed by the military and gangsters shooting each other. 84 people died this year alone in mass shootings in the US. in comparison to the population, its not much but its a number that grows pretty much every year.

arock10 · 12-19-2012, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dgraves

Because Freedom can't exist without having the ability to protect yourself.

"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.

Because your shotgun is going to protect you from the government. Right.

StickyGreen · 12-19-2012, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

I have complained about that plenty in the past. I don't support whats being carried out by the military at all. its all self serving and those dying are doing so for absolutely nothing to with freedom. i was just trying to point out how foolish the idea that all of the tragedies are necessary to prevent possible future tyranny.

how many people have to die for it to count for you? the needlessness is what makes people so angry by these types of crimes. people are desensitized to hearing about brown people being killed by the military and gangsters shooting each other. 84 people died this year alone in mass shootings in the US. in comparison to the population, its not much but its a number that grows pretty much every year.

84 out of 400 million. Okay, let's freak out and take away the guns from the millions of law-abiding citizens who had nothing to do with those 84 people.

Guns aren't the problem, crazy psychos who want to kill are the problem, and they are pretty rare.

How many guns were used in the Oklahoma City bombing? None? Then how did so many people die there anyways? Hmmm...

Want to blame the fertilizer that was in the truck? That is retarded. The blame lies in the heart of a psycho who wanted to kill.

Bryan G · 12-19-2012, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

We're glad you live where you live too. Bryan

Constant fear..seriously?

I do believe this is the first time I have ever used that smilie.

Do you or do you not have a gun at home for protection? If you feel the need to have one then you are obviously concerned something could happen, right? All I said was I live somewhere that its not a worry for me. Could it happen? Of course, anything can happen anywhere. Anyhow you guys love your guys, so be it. I honestly don't care anymore. Its part of who you are. If you don't think there is a problem with gun violence in your country and you think the solution is to have more armed people. Let's see how that works out for you in a few years.

StickyGreen · 12-19-2012, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

a number that grows pretty much every year.

This can be attributed to things affecting mental health issues, such as the prevalence of mind-bending psychiatric drugs prescribed to children and entertainment that is more and more graphic and violent... not the access to guns, there's always been access to guns.

StickyGreen · 12-19-2012, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by arock10

Because your shotgun is going to protect you from the government. Right.

Another clown who would rather be completely helpless and defenseless in the face of tyranny rather than have some sort of fighting chance...

DWB · 12-19-2012, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by seeric

What he said ^^^

I live in a very affluent area in Los Angeles. Very near to GrapeSoda I think. AgouraHills.

There are about 5 home invasions every 6 months in the 15-18 mile radius of our house.

There's this new thing that the gang bangers in bad neighborhoods 30-40 miles from the nice areas do called "Flocking".

Essentially they have to drive out of the ghettos because there's nothing else left in the ghettos to steal.

They attack well to do neighborhoods in unincorporated areas, where it takes a longer time for the police to get to the homes.

Tie up the inhabitants, rip their houses apart, take what they want, and in some cases, sexually assault or rape the occupants.

It happens.

People who live in foreign countries don't know what the culture has turned into in the USA, especially in big cities.

Gates don't protect you. Securities don't protect you.

My Mossberg protects me and my family should it ever happen. I don't live in fear. Not one bit. I live prepared.

Damn. Be safe man.

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Originally Posted by halfpint

Go and live is South Africa and then come back and tell me a gun will protect you

In South Africa our iron fence when from 2 foot tall to just under 6foot with spikes on the top, We had bars on our windows, and metal security gates on our external doors, my dad owned a gun, We even had armed responce security but it still did not stop us from being robbed 5 times and my mom from being mugged.

I have a very close freind who is a SAP (police) he was off duty and always carried a gun He is now in a wheel chair because he was held up at gun point over his car after which they shot him in the back anyway.

Some people now have multiple metal locked doors within thier own houses for security, which means even going to the toilet you have to unlock these doors, because guns dont stop crime.

SA is rough. No doubt about it. What have you found to be the best way to protect yourself there?

I don't think the rest of the world realizes yet that in 10, 20, or 30 years, a lot of what is happening in South Africa and other high crime areas of the world, will be coming directly to them. Things are not going to improve, they are only going to get worse. The US gov knows it, that is why they are slowly preparing for it.

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Originally Posted by Bryan G

Do you or do you not have a gun at home for protection? If you feel the need to have one then you are obviously concerned something could happen, right? All I said was I live somewhere that its not a worry for me. Could it happen? Of course, anything can happen anywhere. Anyhow you guys love your guys, so be it. I honestly don't care anymore. Its part of who you are. If you don't think there is a problem with gun violence in your country and you think the solution is to have more armed people. Let's see how that works out for you in a few years.

Violent crime will eventually make it to whatever pristine area of the world you live in. Count on it. I hope it doesn't, but it will.

x-rate · 12-19-2012, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by seeric

There's this new thing that the gang bangers in bad neighborhoods 30-40 miles from the nice areas do called "Flocking".

Essentially they have to drive out of the ghettos because there's nothing else left in the ghettos to steal.

They attack well to do neighborhoods in unincorporated areas, where it takes a longer time for the police to get to the homes.

Tie up the inhabitants, rip their houses apart, take what they want, and in some cases, sexually assault or rape the occupants.

It happens.

People who live in foreign countries don't know what the culture has turned into in the USA, especially in big cities.

Gates don't protect you. Securities don't protect you.

My Mossberg protects me and my family should it ever happen. I don't live in fear. Not one bit. I live prepared.

People who live in foreign countries watch this and say:

1-Guns been always available in USA.
2-Violence, crime and number of people going in jail keep rising in USA
3-Nothing is done to make this situation change.

So at least there's one sure thing: Guns are not part of the solution.

BlackCrayon · 12-19-2012, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen

84 out of 400 million. Okay, let's freak out and take away the guns from the millions of law-abiding citizens who had nothing to do with those 84 people.

Guns aren't the problem, crazy psychos who want to kill are the problem, and they are pretty rare.

How many guns were used in the Oklahoma City bombing? None? Then how did so many people die there anyways? Hmmm...

Want to blame the fertilizer that was in the truck? That is retarded. The blame lies in the heart of a psycho who wanted to kill.

84 is just mass shootings. the gun problem in general goes much further than mass shootings. 12,664 murders in the US in 2011. Of those, 8,583 were caused by guns.

BlackCrayon · 12-19-2012, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Violent crime will eventually make it to whatever pristine area of the world you live in. Count on it. I hope it doesn't, but it will.

well in canada, which is where bryan is violent crime is at a 30 year low. so basically it was more dangerous in the 70's than it is today. even in the U.S. violent crime has gone down five years straight.

ColBigBalls · 12-19-2012, 02:53 PM

Sounds like a lovely neighborhood.

StickyGreen · 12-19-2012, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

What kind of shitty ass apartment do you live in? It's called a lock on the door

Don't live in the ghetto

Spare us with your pointless immature comments, jackass...

DWB · 12-19-2012, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

well in canada, which is where bryan is violent crime is at a 30 year low. so basically it was more dangerous in the 70's than it is today. even in the U.S. violent crime has gone down five years straight.

What happened between the 70's and now in Canada to reduce crime there?

Lester Burnham · 12-19-2012, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

I feel sorry for your neighbours that they have to live next to a guy with a gun.
I know it would make me feel VERY uncomfortable.

troncarver · 12-19-2012, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CamBoss

We get it man. Guns are bad, blah, blah blah. However, I don't live in a happy land of windmills, techno and wooden shoes. There are tons of crazy motherfuckers on Meth all over my area. If they try to rob and/or kill me or my family, you bet your ass they will catch a hot one.

best quote ever and QFT

StickyGreen · 12-19-2012, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

You must live in a commune then

Ever hear of locking your doors?

No Johnny, no one's ever heard of locking their doors... (insert 50 orange smiley faces here)

dgraves · 12-19-2012, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

well in canada, which is where bryan is violent crime is at a 30 year low. so basically it was more dangerous in the 70's than it is today. even in the U.S. violent crime has gone down five years straight.

Not to mention the fact that the population of California is greater than the population of Canada. Great country btw, I use to live on PEI.

Lester Burnham · 12-19-2012, 03:17 PM

I own a fair amount of guns (some of which could be banned in the future). The reason I carry:

1) Personal Protection. My girlfriend had a sex offender stalker that was showing up at the apartment and her job, and the police refused to do anything about it. Also, as a black male, the chances I die to violence are exponentially higher than my lighter skinned friends, so I want to be prepared in case someone (whether law enforcement or a bad guy) mistakes me for some gangbanger (which has happened to me before).

2) Sporting. I love to hang out with friends and go target shooting and discuss firearms. Some guys like to go to the bars and drink beer together (BTW, alcohol is responsible for killing and maiming 10x the amount of firearm deaths). I do that, but I also like to go shooting and, frankly, blow shit up.

3) Money diversification. Guns and ammo are tangible assets that can be traded and sold. If the shit ever hits the fans, ammunition will be more valuable than gold. I have thousands of rounds in my gun safe, because if there is some unlike "oh shit" moment in the U.S., I will have something that will be very valuable and could save my life. If I need some money, I can always sell my FN SCAR and get $2K for it.

seeric · 12-19-2012, 03:23 PM

Sorry. Just playing. Why don't you guys go outside and smell the air?

sandman! · 12-19-2012, 03:46 PM

no rapists, murderers and meth labs around where i live that i know of and i still got guns

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

Every single gun owner here seems to live in an area that's full of rapists, murderers and meth labs. I'm not joking. Every single one of them.

AutumnBH · 12-19-2012, 03:47 PM

Lester Burnham · 12-19-2012, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sandman!

no rapists, murderers and meth labs around where i live that i know of and i still got guns

I live in the State of Washington, where meth labs are more common than churches.

Grapesoda · 12-19-2012, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G

Do you or do you not have a gun at home for protection? If you feel the need to have one then you are obviously concerned something could happen, right? All I said was I live somewhere that its not a worry for me. Could it happen? Of course, anything can happen anywhere. Anyhow you guys love your guys, so be it. I honestly don't care anymore. Its part of who you are. If you don't think there is a problem with gun violence in your country and you think the solution is to have more armed people. Let's see how that works out for you in a few years.

actually I don't love my gun at all. I don't enjoy shooting the gun and I fully understand the repercussions of using the gun... ending someone's life is as about a serious as it gets.

you're making a lot of assumptions based on misconceptions and arrogance... do you really think you know how I feel? I don't think I've ever stated what's good for you or how you should live and how you think. or ever used derogatory language to describe you because I have a different opinion than you.

there are problems in the world and guns are NOT the cause... greed, selfishness and anger are the causes... I'm really not sure how you can perceive taking away guns as a means to abolish greed, anger and selfishness.

and what I'm seeing in the press now is a bunch of people self aggrandizing on the graves of 20 kids and that's about it

marlboroack · 12-19-2012, 04:11 PM

PornoMonster · 12-19-2012, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G

Do you or do you not have a gun at home for protection? If you feel the need to have one then you are obviously concerned something could happen, right? All I said was I live somewhere that its not a worry for me. Could it happen? Of course, anything can happen anywhere. Anyhow you guys love your guys, so be it. I honestly don't care anymore. Its part of who you are. If you don't think there is a problem with gun violence in your country and you think the solution is to have more armed people. Let's see how that works out for you in a few years.

We Have a problem with Gun Violence! This is EXACTLY Why I have Home Protection.
I would rather know I have the ability to protect my children from crazies, and yep it is happening more and more with home invasions and such, than to cry like a baby when they are doing bad things to them. I do have a different outlook, because I am trained on many weapons, so I feel confident. Do I want the lady who was next to me in the CCW class protecting me, HELL no. I thought she was going to drop her gun or shoot someone on accident. Should that person of passed the class NO.

You will be one of the people who change their mind if something bad ever happens to you, or you one of those I would beat their ass. I guess this question doesn't matter since your country is peaches and cream. We get that, so don't fucking try to judge the place I live by yours!

SleazyDream · 12-19-2012, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dgraves

There's a reason why this country has never been occupied.

wtf?

many homeland locations have been occupied in the United States history by foreign forces, INCLUDING THE WHITE HOUSE.

dgraves · 12-19-2012, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

wtf?

many homeland locations have been occupied in the United States history by foreign forces, INCLUDING THE WHITE HOUSE.

Details?

Minte · 12-19-2012, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G

Do you or do you not have a gun at home for protection? If you feel the need to have one then you are obviously concerned something could happen, right? All I said was I live somewhere that its not a worry for me. Could it happen? Of course, anything can happen anywhere. Anyhow you guys love your guys, so be it. I honestly don't care anymore. Its part of who you are. If you don't think there is a problem with gun violence in your country and you think the solution is to have more armed people. Let's see how that works out for you in a few years.

I have fire insurance if my house burns down. I have health insurance if I get sick, I have lots of different things for different reasons. Having a gun is just another insurance. Something you have and hope you never need.

Lester Burnham · 12-19-2012, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by marlboroack

Nice Walther and suppressor!! I have a Walther PPS (9mm) (Bond uses the PPS in the latest Bond books).

I need to get a suppressor before they are banned. They are legal in Washington (have to pay a huge tax though and wait 6 months).

dgraves · 12-19-2012, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

I have fire insurance if my house burns down. I have health insurance if I get sick, I have lots of different things for different reasons. Having a gun is just another insurance. Something you have and hope you never need.

Exactly. I hope I never have to use my fire extinguisher to protect my home from burning to the ground but I'll keep it around just in case.

Mr Pheer · 12-19-2012, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dgraves

Details?

He's doing the Canadian thing where they like to boast about the British Army occupying Washington during the War of 1812. Which happened way before any of us were born.

dgraves · 12-19-2012, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

He's doing the Canadian thing where they like to boast about the British Army occupying Washington during the War of 1812. Which happened way before any of us were born.

Oh ok, I was referring to way we occupy a country and establishes long term bases to keep an eye on things.

Mr Pheer · 12-19-2012, 07:59 PM

Most people seem to forget that your personal safety is your personal responsibility. Protect yourself first, call the police after it's safe to do so. When seconds count, the police are always minutes away.

I'd rather have a weapon and not need it than need a weapon and not have it. Just because you own a gun doesnt mean that you will ever have to use it to defend yourself or someone else in your lifetime. One would hope to never have to use it.

Everyone that says that they dont need a weapon, thats great I'm happy for you. But become a crime victim just one time and your attitude will change, if you live through the experience. I choose not to be a victim.

dgraves · 12-19-2012, 08:15 PM

I got robbed at gun point back in '87 and I was with two other Marines. It's a fucked up feeling and no one wants to be the one to take that first bullet to the face so we kept our cool and no one got hurt. Even if he had a knife it would have been a fucked up situation. Who wants to get a major artery slashed for some pocket cash...

V_RocKs · 12-19-2012, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

the chances of the average person actually being robbed is not very high, even less chances of a home invasion. sure these things happen, and they obviously happen to someone but its not like 50% of the population or even 30% will be robbed at some point in their lives. do you really feel more secure owning a gun? because it seems everyone who owns one is really scared of something happening.

Fine. Lets play this out. It is also accurate to say that only 3% of 1% of Americans will use a gun to kill another American. So if 30% of adults in America own a gun and only .0003% of them are killing people with their guns, what is your fucking beef about people owning guns?

You are far more likely to die by being hit by a drunk driver than by a crazy man with a gun. Go ban alcohol and leave gun owners alone!

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Lester Burnham Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: You can take me out the ghetto, but not the ghetto out of me Posts: 540	I own a fair amount of guns (some of which could be banned in the future). The reason I carry: 1) Personal Protection. My girlfriend had a sex offender stalker that was showing up at the apartment and her job, and the police refused to do anything about it. Also, as a black male, the chances I die to violence are exponentially higher than my lighter skinned friends, so I want to be prepared in case someone (whether law enforcement or a bad guy) mistakes me for some gangbanger (which has happened to me before). 2) Sporting. I love to hang out with friends and go target shooting and discuss firearms. Some guys like to go to the bars and drink beer together (BTW, alcohol is responsible for killing and maiming 10x the amount of firearm deaths). I do that, but I also like to go shooting and, frankly, blow shit up. 3) Money diversification. Guns and ammo are tangible assets that can be traded and sold. If the shit ever hits the fans, ammunition will be more valuable than gold. I have thousands of rounds in my gun safe, because if there is some unlike "oh shit" moment in the U.S., I will have something that will be very valuable and could save my life. If I need some money, I can always sell my FN SCAR and get $2K for it.

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Mr Pheer So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 21,582	Most people seem to forget that your personal safety is your personal responsibility. Protect yourself first, call the police after it's safe to do so. When seconds count, the police are always minutes away. I'd rather have a weapon and not need it than need a weapon and not have it. Just because you own a gun doesnt mean that you will ever have to use it to defend yourself or someone else in your lifetime. One would hope to never have to use it. Everyone that says that they dont need a weapon, thats great I'm happy for you. But become a crime victim just one time and your attitude will change, if you live through the experience. I choose not to be a victim.