Media Ignore School Massacres Stopped by Gun Owners Defending Children

[buzzard]

Pearl High School, Mississippi: This incident began the morning of Oct. 1, 1997, when 16-year-old student Luke Windham entered the school with a rifle. Wearing only an orange jumpsuit and a trench coat and making no effort to hide his weapon, he initially entered the school and shot and killed two students, injuring seven others. He was stopped by assistant principal Joel Myrick, who retrieved a .45 cal. handgun from the glove box of his truck.

?I?ve always kept a gun in the truck just in case something like this ever happened,? said Myrick at the time, who went on to become principal of Corinth High School, Corinth, Miss.

Appalachia Law School, Virginia: On Jan. 16, 2002, Peter Odighizuwa, 43, a former student from Nigeria, arrived on the campus of the school with a handgun around 1:00 p.m. and immediately killed three people, at least two of them at point-blank range. Two students ? Mikael Gross and Tracy Bridges ? both retrieved handguns from their vehicles and confronted Odighizuwa. As former police officers, both men were trained to subdue suspects but the fact is they were on the scene and armed, and helped prevent more killings.

Muskegon, Michigan: From the Aug. 23, 1995, issue of the Muskegon Chronicle: ?Plans to slay everyone in the Muskegon, Michigan, store and steal enough cash and jewelry to feed their ?gnawing hunger for crack cocaine? fell apart for a band of would-be killers after one of their victims fought back. Store owner Clare Cooper was returning behind the counter after showing three of the four conspirators some jewelry, when one of the group pulled out a gun and shot him four times in the back. Stumbling for the safety of his bullet-proof glass-encased counter, Cooper managed to grab his shotgun and fire as the suspects fled.?

Colorado Springs, Colo.: On Dec. 9, 2007, gunman Mathew Murray, 24, launched an armed attack against the parishioners of the New Life Church that ultimately left two innocent victims dead. But the toll could have been much higher, were it not for the heroic actions of former police officer Jeanne Assam from Minnesota. In an interview she said she very nearly decided not to go to church that morning but because she saw a headline on her computer indicating that two young people were murdered and a training center for Christian missionaries about 70 miles away in the Denver suburb of Arvada, she changed her mind. Murray shot a total of five people before an armed Assam shot and killed him. There were about 7,000 people at the church at the time of the attack.

?Criminologist Gary Kleck estimates that 2.5 million Americans use guns to defend themselves each year. Out of that number, 400,000 believe that but for their firearms, they would have been dead,? columnist Larry Elder wrote in July, following the shooting tragedy at the premier of the latest Batman movie in Aurora, Colo.

[notjoe]

^^ What pornopete said...not to mention that 2 out of those 3 were actually former cops who were trained to deal with situation exactly like the ones they were confronted with.

[nextri]

I doubt any of those got ignored by the media. how do you know about them?

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by pornopete

Deaths 3, including Luke Woodham's mother
Injured 7


Deaths 3
Injured 3


Deaths 8 (including the perpetrator)
Injured 2


Deaths 2
Injured 2

Yep, and how many more would it have been????

[Bryan G]

How did the media ignore it when you are obviously quoting a news article? Also, people still died.

[Emil]

Why dont they just plant mines in the schoolyards? This will stop a lot of people that could snap. Sure, it will kill a lot of innocent people too but you should not put a price on safety.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by nextri

I doubt any of those got ignored by the media. how do you know about them?

NRA propaganda machine.

[PR_Phil]

I guess gun nuts are good at SEO?

if you search a string of text from any of those articles, 1 of the top three results is the title of this thread, cut and paste.

followed by thousands of media results, covering the stories.

[pornguy]

I am not for arming everyone in the schools or malls or stores. I am for allowing the people that own to continue to carry and own and I am for allowing new people to own and carry with proper training.

I also think the training needs to be improved and many more hours before you can even own.

I also believe that schools need a min of 2 armed people on the grounds every time the doors are open.

I also believe that they should have better control of who can just walk onto any school campus.

[crockett]

I'm pretty sure the 87 people on average that die each day to guns slightly over shadows the handful that might get saved by a gun owner.

[Kenny B!]

It's a fucked up place we live in, one person has a failed attempt at bringing a shoe bomb on a plane, another with some liquid bomb and now we have to take off our shoes and bottled water or more than 2 oz of shampoo is banned on planes... these school shootings happen a couple times a year and nothing changes in gun control.

[BlackCrayon]

another thing you can learn from this article is that people keep their guns in their vehicles. so if you want a gun illegally, rob vehicles. and only two of those are schools.

[Si]

Fact is, most probably would have probably been avoided, if the shooter in each incident didn't have easy legal access to a gun in the first place.

[buzzard]

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

Yep, and how many more would it have been????

Had they not been stopped?

[GFED]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

another thing you can learn from this article is that people keep their guns in their vehicles. so if you want a gun illegally, rob vehicles. and only two of those are schools.

and why would a law-abiding concealed carry permit holder leave his gun in the vehicle instead of carrying it on him?

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by GFED

and why would a law-abiding concealed carry permit holder leave his gun in the vehicle instead of carrying it on him?

perhaps they don't have ccw's. i don't know. its just whats in the article. in two of those stories they both get guns from their vehicles.

[Si]

So leave a gun in your vehicle, if your vehicle gets stolen, another illegal but formerly legal weapon is probably on the streets? Sounds great.

[jigga]

Good read: "Debunking the Gun Culture Propaganda"... http://thedailybanter.com/2012/12/de...st-propaganda/

[Rochard]

The first article is fifteen years old?

The media hasn't hidden them from us, they are just old. Also, these are minor stories compared to twenty-six dead where twenty were children. They were non stories then, and non stories now.

[jigga]

Another good read... with a 0.3-0.05 per 100k overall murder rate in the country (much lower than both the US and even Canada) they must be doing something right: "A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths"...

http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...deaths/260189/

"To get a gun in Japan, first, you have to attend an all-day class and pass a written test, which are held only once per month. You also must take and pass a shooting range class. Then, head over to a hospital for a mental test and drug test (Japan is unusual in that potential gun owners must affirmatively prove their mental fitness), which you'll file with the police. Finally, pass a rigorous background check for any criminal record or association with criminal or extremist groups, and you will be the proud new owner of your shotgun or air rifle. Just don't forget to provide police with documentation on the specific location of the gun in your home, as well as the ammo, both of which must be locked and stored separately. And remember to have the police inspect the gun once per year and to re-take the class and exam every three years."

[sperbonzo]

– Mayan Palace Theater, San Antonio, Texas, this week: Jesus Manuel Garcia shoots at a movie theater, a police car and bystanders from the nearby China Garden restaurant; as he enters the movie theater, guns blazing, an armed off-duty cop shoots Garcia four times, stopping the attack. Total dead: Zero.

– Winnemucca, Nev., 2008: Ernesto Villagomez opens fire in a crowded restaurant; concealed carry permit-holder shoots him dead. Total dead: Two. (I’m excluding the shooters’ deaths in these examples.)

– Appalachian School of Law, 2002: Crazed immigrant shoots the dean and a professor, then begins shooting students; as he goes for more ammunition, two armed students point their guns at him, allowing a third to tackle him. Total dead: Three.

– Santee, Calif., 2001: Student begins shooting his classmates — as well as the “trained campus supervisor”; an off-duty cop who happened to be bringing his daughter to school that day points his gun at the shooter, holding him until more police arrive. Total dead: Two.

– Pearl High School, Mississippi, 1997: After shooting several people at his high school, student heads for the junior high school; assistant principal Joel Myrick retrieves a .45 pistol from his car and points it at the gunman’s head, ending the murder spree. Total dead: Two.

– Edinboro, Pa., 1998: A student shoots up a junior high school dance being held at a restaurant; restaurant owner pulls out his shotgun and stops the gunman. Total dead: One.

By contrast, the shootings in gun-free zones invariably result in far higher casualty figures — Sikh temple, Oak Creek, Wis. (six dead); Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Va. (32 dead); Columbine High School, Columbine, Colo. (12 dead); Amish school, Lancaster County, Pa. (five little girls killed); public school, Craighead County, Ark. (five killed, including four little girls).

All these took place in gun-free zones, resulting in lots of people getting killed —




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[notjoe]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

? Mayan Palace Theater, San Antonio, Texas, this week: Jesus Manuel Garcia shoots at a movie theater, a police car and bystanders from the nearby China Garden restaurant; as he enters the movie theater, guns blazing, an armed off-duty cop shoots Garcia four times, stopping the attack. Total dead: Zero.

? Winnemucca, Nev., 2008: Ernesto Villagomez opens fire in a crowded restaurant; concealed carry permit-holder shoots him dead. Total dead: Two. (I?m excluding the shooters? deaths in these examples.)

? Appalachian School of Law, 2002: Crazed immigrant shoots the dean and a professor, then begins shooting students; as he goes for more ammunition, two armed students point their guns at him, allowing a third to tackle him. Total dead: Three.

? Santee, Calif., 2001: Student begins shooting his classmates ? as well as the ?trained campus supervisor?; an off-duty cop who happened to be bringing his daughter to school that day points his gun at the shooter, holding him until more police arrive. Total dead: Two.

? Pearl High School, Mississippi, 1997: After shooting several people at his high school, student heads for the junior high school; assistant principal Joel Myrick retrieves a .45 pistol from his car and points it at the gunman?s head, ending the murder spree. Total dead: Two.

? Edinboro, Pa., 1998: A student shoots up a junior high school dance being held at a restaurant; restaurant owner pulls out his shotgun and stops the gunman. Total dead: One.

By contrast, the shootings in gun-free zones invariably result in far higher casualty figures ? Sikh temple, Oak Creek, Wis. (six dead); Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Va. (32 dead); Columbine High School, Columbine, Colo. (12 dead); Amish school, Lancaster County, Pa. (five little girls killed); public school, Craighead County, Ark. (five killed, including four little girls).

All these took place in gun-free zones, resulting in lots of people getting killed ?




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Just goes to show you how easy it is for any crazy person in the US to obtain a GUN and kill people...and yet you still promote easy gun ownership.

[Tom_PM]

Well then we should require all students and teachers to carry guns from the age of.. what do you think? 12? Lets say from the age of 12. Problem solved.

[Dirty F]

Amazing how the nutters ignore the problem (people with guns) and try to change it around by implying more guns would be the solution. How fucked up in your dumb American redneck head can you be.

[jigga]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

All these took place in gun-free zones, resulting in lots of people getting killed ?

People can argue back and forth listing examples that help each side's case. For example:

How about Fort Hood then? 13 dead, 29 wounded... on an army base, guns everywhere.

The only thing all these incidents have in common are guns and the easy access to guns...

"According to pretrial testimony, Hasan entered the Guns Galore store in Killeen on July 31, 2009, and purchased the FN Five-seven semi-automatic pistol that he was to use in the attack at Fort Hood.[15] According to Army Specialist William Gilbert, a regular customer at the store, Hasan entered the store and abruptly asked for "the most technologically advanced weapon on the market and the one with the highest standard magazine capacity.""

[Si]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

? Mayan Palace Theater, San Antonio, Texas, this week: Jesus Manuel Garcia shoots at a movie theater, a police car and bystanders from the nearby China Garden restaurant; as he enters the movie theater, guns blazing, an armed off-duty cop shoots Garcia four times, stopping the attack. Total dead: Zero.

? Winnemucca, Nev., 2008: Ernesto Villagomez opens fire in a crowded restaurant; concealed carry permit-holder shoots him dead. Total dead: Two. (I?m excluding the shooters? deaths in these examples.)

? Appalachian School of Law, 2002: Crazed immigrant shoots the dean and a professor, then begins shooting students; as he goes for more ammunition, two armed students point their guns at him, allowing a third to tackle him. Total dead: Three.

? Santee, Calif., 2001: Student begins shooting his classmates ? as well as the ?trained campus supervisor?; an off-duty cop who happened to be bringing his daughter to school that day points his gun at the shooter, holding him until more police arrive. Total dead: Two.

? Pearl High School, Mississippi, 1997: After shooting several people at his high school, student heads for the junior high school; assistant principal Joel Myrick retrieves a .45 pistol from his car and points it at the gunman?s head, ending the murder spree. Total dead: Two.

? Edinboro, Pa., 1998: A student shoots up a junior high school dance being held at a restaurant; restaurant owner pulls out his shotgun and stops the gunman. Total dead: One.

By contrast, the shootings in gun-free zones invariably result in far higher casualty figures ? Sikh temple, Oak Creek, Wis. (six dead); Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Va. (32 dead); Columbine High School, Columbine, Colo. (12 dead); Amish school, Lancaster County, Pa. (five little girls killed); public school, Craighead County, Ark. (five killed, including four little girls).

All these took place in gun-free zones, resulting in lots of people getting killed ?




.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by jigga

Another good read... with a 0.3-0.05 per 100k overall murder rate in the country (much lower than both the US and even Canada) they must be doing something right: "A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths"...

http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...deaths/260189/

"To get a gun in Japan, first, you have to attend an all-day class and pass a written test, which are held only once per month. You also must take and pass a shooting range class. Then, head over to a hospital for a mental test and drug test (Japan is unusual in that potential gun owners must affirmatively prove their mental fitness), which you'll file with the police. Finally, pass a rigorous background check for any criminal record or association with criminal or extremist groups, and you will be the proud new owner of your shotgun or air rifle. Just don't forget to provide police with documentation on the specific location of the gun in your home, as well as the ammo, both of which must be locked and stored separately. And remember to have the police inspect the gun once per year and to re-take the class and exam every three years."

I agree with everything listed as a requirement and it's pretty much what I said in other threads how gun ownership should be handled here in the US.

The only thing I don't agree with having to say exactly where it will be stored in your home. I think instead it would be better that you had to provide proof that you had either a gun safe or a gun lock to secure each gun you owned.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by jigga

People can argue back and forth listing examples that help each side's case. For example:

How about Fort Hood then? 13 dead, 29 wounded... on an army base, guns everywhere.

The only thing all these incidents have in common are guns and the easy access to guns...

"According to pretrial testimony, Hasan entered the Guns Galore store in Killeen on July 31, 2009, and purchased the FN Five-seven semi-automatic pistol that he was to use in the attack at Fort Hood.[15] According to Army Specialist William Gilbert, a regular customer at the store, Hasan entered the store and abruptly asked for "the most technologically advanced weapon on the market and the one with the highest standard magazine capacity.""

Thank you

[Bryan G]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

? Mayan Palace Theater, San Antonio, Texas, this week: Jesus Manuel Garcia shoots at a movie theater, a police car and bystanders from the nearby China Garden restaurant; as he enters the movie theater, guns blazing, an armed off-duty cop shoots Garcia four times, stopping the attack. Total dead: Zero.

? Winnemucca, Nev., 2008: Ernesto Villagomez opens fire in a crowded restaurant; concealed carry permit-holder shoots him dead. Total dead: Two. (I?m excluding the shooters? deaths in these examples.)

? Appalachian School of Law, 2002: Crazed immigrant shoots the dean and a professor, then begins shooting students; as he goes for more ammunition, two armed students point their guns at him, allowing a third to tackle him. Total dead: Three.

? Santee, Calif., 2001: Student begins shooting his classmates ? as well as the ?trained campus supervisor?; an off-duty cop who happened to be bringing his daughter to school that day points his gun at the shooter, holding him until more police arrive. Total dead: Two.

? Pearl High School, Mississippi, 1997: After shooting several people at his high school, student heads for the junior high school; assistant principal Joel Myrick retrieves a .45 pistol from his car and points it at the gunman?s head, ending the murder spree. Total dead: Two.

? Edinboro, Pa., 1998: A student shoots up a junior high school dance being held at a restaurant; restaurant owner pulls out his shotgun and stops the gunman. Total dead: One.

By contrast, the shootings in gun-free zones invariably result in far higher casualty figures ? Sikh temple, Oak Creek, Wis. (six dead); Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Va. (32 dead); Columbine High School, Columbine, Colo. (12 dead); Amish school, Lancaster County, Pa. (five little girls killed); public school, Craighead County, Ark. (five killed, including four little girls).

All these took place in gun-free zones, resulting in lots of people getting killed ?




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More guns is CLEARLY the answer!!!

[_Richard_]

makes one wonder how many of these attacks occur

[potter]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Amazing how the nutters ignore the problem (people with guns) and try to change it around by implying more guns would be the solution. How fucked up in your dumb American redneck head can you be.

You sound just as stupid arguing the opposition.

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

perhaps they don't have ccw's. i don't know. its just whats in the article. in two of those stories they both get guns from their vehicles.

GUN FREE ZONES I would guess...

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by jigga

People can argue back and forth listing examples that help each side's case. For example:

How about Fort Hood then? 13 dead, 29 wounded... on an army base, guns everywhere.

The only thing all these incidents have in common are guns and the easy access to guns...

"According to pretrial testimony, Hasan entered the Guns Galore store in Killeen on July 31, 2009, and purchased the FN Five-seven semi-automatic pistol that he was to use in the attack at Fort Hood.[15] According to Army Specialist William Gilbert, a regular customer at the store, Hasan entered the store and abruptly asked for "the most technologically advanced weapon on the market and the one with the highest standard magazine capacity.""

WRONG
Guns are not allowed on base!

[GFED]

Originally Posted by jigga

People can argue back and forth listing examples that help each side's case. For example:

How about Fort Hood then? 13 dead, 29 wounded... on an army base, guns everywhere.

The only thing all these incidents have in common are guns and the easy access to guns...

"According to pretrial testimony, Hasan entered the Guns Galore store in Killeen on July 31, 2009, and purchased the FN Five-seven semi-automatic pistol that he was to use in the attack at Fort Hood.[15] According to Army Specialist William Gilbert, a regular customer at the store, Hasan entered the store and abruptly asked for "the most technologically advanced weapon on the market and the one with the highest standard magazine capacity.""

Why do you assume there were guns everywhere when in fact it was a GUN FREE ZONE?

[Brad Mitchell]

Originally Posted by pornguy

I am not for arming everyone in the schools or malls or stores. I am for allowing the people that own to continue to carry and own and I am for allowing new people to own and carry with proper training.

I also think the training needs to be improved and many more hours before you can even own.

I also believe that schools need a min of 2 armed people on the grounds every time the doors are open.

I also believe that they should have better control of who can just walk onto any school campus.

I do not want homeland security at my kids schools. Good lord, no way. As far as I think I know, violent crime statistics are near a historical low in most places, already. Nonetheless, what a horrible tragedy. I've had to block the news out, I get upset everytime I am reminded of these children being slayed.

Brad

Brad

[baddog]

Originally Posted by pornopete

Deaths 3, including Luke Woodham's mother
Injured 7


Deaths 3
Injured 3


Deaths 8 (including the perpetrator)
Injured 2


Deaths 2
Injured 2

Your point?

Originally Posted by Bryan G

Also, people still died.

Two vs twenty

Originally Posted by GFED

and why would a law-abiding concealed carry permit holder leave his gun in the vehicle instead of carrying it on him?

Gun free zones

Originally Posted by tony286

Thank you

I suppose you don't think individual states should be allowed to have their own laws.

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Amazing how the nutters ignore the problem (people with guns) and try to change it around by implying more guns would be the solution. How fucked up in your dumb American redneck head can you be.

How Dumb do you have to be to realize we are PAST, Way Past controlling guns? We already let to many of them out in the street......