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  • Rochard
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    • Dec 2001
    • 75733

    #286
    Originally posted by StickyGreen
    You give people no credit, as if they're all just blithering idiots who couldn't possibly use a firearm correctly and efficiently. And how exactly is one kid with a gun a "tactical combat situation?"
    I do not give people credit at all. I've seen how the majority of the people drive, and that's plenty enough for me.

    How is one kid with a gun a tactical situation? Any time you are faced with taking out a shooter it is in fact a tactical situation. In this case it was one "twenty year old kid" with an assault rifle in a school. If you were armed and present at the school, you would have to go room to room to find him and kill him. That's exactly what a tactical situation is.
    Herschel Savage
    Brooklyn, NY

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    • Rochard
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      • Dec 2001
      • 75733

      #287
      Originally posted by MakingItPay
      Go to your mall today. Look on the door. Ask if you are allowed to carry your concealled weapon there. Better yet. Google the last few high body count shootings. Oregon, Aurora, and the recent school. See if they are "Gun Free" Zones. (hint: They all are)
      My wife dragged me out the mall last night and I looked for such signs. I didn't see anything. I live in California.

      Originally posted by MakingItPay
      You are the one that mentioned James Bond. Rochard, I understand you just want to feel safe, but if you don't own a gun, aren't trained, and have no desire to defend your home with one, I am not sure your opinion is an educated one. Do people accidentally shoot their friends and family? Do people sometimes accidentally run over their own children? Yes. Is owning a gun a huge responsibility? Yes.
      I do own a gun, I am trained, but I understand that defending my home with a firearm is risky at best. The odds of me being able to defend myself in the middle of the night in the dark are slim at best. In the mean time, the odds of home invasion or a robbery are so slim that is unlikely to happen - do you know anyone who's house was broken into when they were in it, or do you know anyone who's house was involved in a home invasion? I'm forty-four years old and oddly enough, I don't know one person who has ever gone through this. The odds of me shooting a family member by accident is much greater.
      Herschel Savage
      Brooklyn, NY

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      • MakingItPay
        Confirmed User
        • Feb 2005
        • 1922

        #288
        Originally posted by Rochard
        I do not give people credit at all. I've seen how the majority of the people drive, and that's plenty enough for me.

        How is one kid with a gun a tactical situation? Any time you are faced with taking out a shooter it is in fact a tactical situation. In this case it was one "twenty year old kid" with an assault rifle in a school. If you were armed and present at the school, you would have to go room to room to find him and kill him. That's exactly what a tactical situation is.
        I want the teachers to be able to have their own guns if they want them. The kid went room to room easily killing everyone. Nobody would be required to run to the aid of others. But they wouldn't all be sitting ducks. What is tragic is that nobody had any chance at all thanks to the school being "gun free" and homicidal crazy criminal friendly.
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        • MakingItPay
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          • Feb 2005
          • 1922

          #289
          Originally posted by Rochard
          My wife dragged me out the mall last night and I looked for such signs. I didn't see anything. I live in California.



          I do own a gun, I am trained, but I understand that defending my home with a firearm is risky at best. The odds of me being able to defend myself in the middle of the night in the dark are slim at best. In the mean time, the odds of home invasion or a robbery are so slim that is unlikely to happen - do you know anyone who's house was broken into when they were in it, or do you know anyone who's house was involved in a home invasion? I'm forty-four years old and oddly enough, I don't know one person who has ever gone through this. The odds of me shooting a family member by accident is much greater.

          Call the mall and ask if you can carry a concealed weapon in it. Let us know. If you can, you are going to be less likely that a high body count kill will happen there.

          I have a hard time believing your "I own a gun and am trained" but say you are against having one for defending your home because you may shoot your kid. Why do you have a gun again? I don't know anyone personally who's house has flooded, but I have flood insurance.

          Those shoot a family member statistics I don't buy it. How many people do you know personally that own a gun? How many have accidentally killed a family member. They use Gang statistics to skew that number. You believe them, yet you claim to own a gun. Sure you do.
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          • MaDalton
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            • Feb 2004
            • 39861

            #290
            more guns are clearly a solution



            http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...loped-country/

            but i have understood by now that many people in the US have a different mentality about that and i have given up arguing about it.

            it just puzzles me that instead of being angry at the shooter that spoils it for the responsible gun owners, or having empathy for those who just lost a little child to a madman, the immediate reaction is always attacking anyone who even slightly suggests to rethink gun policies.

            when owning a gun is more important than the smallest chance to prevent a tragedy like this, i think something is wrong.

            but fortunately i live in places where i dont have to worry about that - i just feel sad for the parents and families that lost someone yesterday.
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            • tony286
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              • Aug 2002
              • 57021

              #291
              Originally posted by Rochard
              I am not sure if guards at schools would be enough. Maybe if you had two or three officers at EVERY school nationwide it would be a deterrent. But that's a lot of money...



              I believe it was illegal to carry at the college, but not at the local mall or movies.

              But that doesn't really matter. Can you just imagine if someone was carrying a concealed weapon in the mall when a gun man attacked? Do you honestly mean to tell me that "Bob", a forty-five year old insurance salesman, is going to be able to go from shopping with his wife and kids to instantly being in a tactical situation he was never trained for? Is "Bob" going to be able to tell who the gun man is from the dozens or hundreds of shoppers when everyone is running around with their heads cut like chickens screaming? Is "Bob" really going to be able take out a gun man armed with an assault rifle at forty yards?

              Is "Bob" really going to be able to take another's man's life during a tactical situation without having any time to determine if the shooter is the shooter, a police officer, or another innocent civilian who has armed himself?

              We have the right to bear arms and a lot of us do, yet oddly not once at a mall or school or movies has a civilian pulled out a handgun and taken out the gunman. (I do recall the shooting at the church where the armed security guard took out the gunman.) Where are all of these people who proudly own handguns? Hiding?
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              • brassmonkey
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                • Sep 2005
                • 77396

                #292
                just putting it out there. the school shooter was not a gun owner!!
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                • Rochard
                  Jägermeister Test Pilot
                  • Dec 2001
                  • 75733

                  #293
                  Originally posted by MakingItPay
                  I want the teachers to be able to have their own guns if they want them. The kid went room to room easily killing everyone. Nobody would be required to run to the aid of others. But they wouldn't all be sitting ducks. What is tragic is that nobody had any chance at all thanks to the school being "gun free" and homicidal crazy criminal friendly.
                  Yes, clearly this is the properly solution. We need our kids surrounded by firearms on a daily basis.

                  No fucking way in the world I would want any of my kid's teachers to have a firearm in school. Most of them are female, less than a hundred pounds, and would cry at the thought of using a gun to shoot an animal no less attempt to take a man's life.

                  Out of all of my kid's teachers, there was only one of them I would ever consider able to handle a firearm.

                  Here in the US, assault rifles are legal, twenty six and seven year old kids KILLED. Meanwhile in China, assault rifles are banned, twenty kids got "wounded". See the difference?
                  Herschel Savage
                  Brooklyn, NY

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                  • baddog
                    So Fucking Banned
                    • Apr 2001
                    • 107089

                    #294
                    Originally posted by Rochard
                    I have never seen such a sign. Ever.

                    You need to get out more.



                    Originally posted by Matyko
                    Actually this sounds pretty bad and not democratic, but it is not the government who is knocking on your door but some related agency who just check if you play by the rules. And yes, I think it is very OK to check ppl occasionally who have guns. I know it is hard to understand as the laws are totally different there and this most likely sounds Insane to you :P But here not many men keep guns at home. Also, I think they only check w ppl w [serious] gun arsenal not everyone.
                    Are you familiar with the phrase "getting your foot in the door?"

                    Originally posted by MaDalton
                    As usual i do appreciate your attempt of insinuating that i might be stupid - i would suggest using a little math and add up the number of inhabitants of the other countries on that image, then add up their number of deaths and put each in relation.
                    I am sorry that is how you are interpreting it, not much I can do about how you interpret my comments. I asked the question of someone yesterday, perhaps you will field it; what year were those numbers taken from and how many were suicides? I don't accept a graphic as fact just because it is on the Internet.

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                    • Rochard
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                      • Dec 2001
                      • 75733

                      #295
                      Originally posted by Jesus H Christ
                      I've told Rochard to ignore me because I've proven him wrong so many times I actually feel sorry for him. Anyway, less then a week ago we had a kid walk into a mall in Portland Oregon with a Ar-15 and kill 2 people. Then the school shooting a couple days ago. You'd think the liberal media would be having a field day with this firearm killing spree epidemic?

                      Nope, want to know why you don't hear fuck all about the Portland Oregon Mall shooting in the national news anymore? Because the shooter was stopped by a private citizen who had carry permit. Not one national news media covered this because of their Media bias and so they completely dropped the whole Portland Oregon mall shooting.

                      The shooter shot himself, ending his own life.
                      Herschel Savage
                      Brooklyn, NY

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                      • Rochard
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                        • Dec 2001
                        • 75733

                        #296
                        Originally posted by baddog
                        You need to get out more.

                        I went to the mall last night, didn't see it. Went to half a dozen places outside of the mall too last night, didn't see it.
                        Herschel Savage
                        Brooklyn, NY

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                        • MakingItPay
                          Confirmed User
                          • Feb 2005
                          • 1922

                          #297
                          Originally posted by Rochard
                          I went to the mall last night, didn't see it. Went to half a dozen places outside of the mall too last night, didn't see it.
                          Perhaps where you live in California, you aren't allowed to have a CCW permit. That would certainly eliminate the need for the signs. Did you call and ask?
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                          • MakingItPay
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                            • Feb 2005
                            • 1922

                            #298
                            Originally posted by Rochard
                            The shooter shot himself, ending his own life.
                            As soon as he realized he had a gun aimed at him.
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                            • MakingItPay
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                              • Feb 2005
                              • 1922

                              #299
                              Originally posted by Rochard
                              Yes, clearly this is the properly solution. We need our kids surrounded by firearms on a daily basis.

                              No fucking way in the world I would want any of my kid's teachers to have a firearm in school. Most of them are female, less than a hundred pounds, and would cry at the thought of using a gun to shoot an animal no less attempt to take a man's life.

                              Out of all of my kid's teachers, there was only one of them I would ever consider able to handle a firearm.

                              Here in the US, assault rifles are legal, twenty six and seven year old kids KILLED. Meanwhile in China, assault rifles are banned, twenty kids got "wounded". See the difference?
                              All those guns around the school should be no problem. If someone started to use it you could call the police. Or just lock the doors like you do. With the police around and good locks why do you live in fear of guns?
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                              • baddog
                                So Fucking Banned
                                • Apr 2001
                                • 107089

                                #300
                                Originally posted by Rochard
                                I went to the mall last night, didn't see it. Went to half a dozen places outside of the mall too last night, didn't see it.
                                You think it might have something to do with CA not being a right to carry state? Like I said, you need to get out more.

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