Damn...:(

That's complete UTTER Bullshit...

Great way to get BANNED.

You have no fucking idea about SEO... Better, shut the fuck up, rather than giving garbage opinions that will damage webmasters sites.

What a pathetic WAY of thinking and stupid reasoning...

That's how you rule your LIFE?..

No wonder, you are FAT and UGLY as a REDHEAD PIG, same as Mr. FEAR. :1orglaugh

Evidently few in this thread have heard of the time-worn method of knocking doors to generate sales. I suspect however, that the merest suggestion of such a thing is but casting pearls before swine.

:2 cents:

Aside from Google and social media ... what else is there that has the potential to send a good amount of traffic?

Google has declared war on affiliates and smaller publisher for a long time. I recall reading a report from someone who attended a party or such and met someone who worked at Google. The employee asked what they did to which they replied that they were an affiliate. The Google employee then replied something to the effect of "Ohhh! They hate you guys!" I can't recall the source it may have been from here but it seemed credible at the time.

If you think about it their algorithms are 1/3 a popularity contest and 1/3 a race to see who can give away the most unique content. It's no surprise then where most legitimate affiliates are going to end up with their sponsor content and their legitimate affiliate back links to the sponsor- at the bottom. That's right. Google actually penalizes you in the end for linking back to the sponsor which provided you with the content. It may not be called a penalty but that's what it ends up doing. Think about it.

I still do okay on some sites but as a rule those sites don't have much affiliate content or links. They probably avoid detection as being a "porn affiliate site". And yes there are exceptions.

The irony is that if every small publisher and affiliate were to put up a button for Bing or another search engine like Duck Duck Go with a caption "use these guys because Google sucks!" Google would lose a lot of market share within a year or two.

Then why are tubes ranked so high?

Google its not done with you mate :)

There are a few potential factors:

1. They aren't usually affiliates. Most of them are not giving out 1-3 backlinks to the content owner.
2. They are giving out full scenes instead of promo clips 100,000 other affiliates have.
3. They paid for massive backlinks and do very well on the popularity contest part of the G algorithm.
4. They aren't embedding the content from another site they are hosting it themselves.
5. Because of the full length clips they have a massive time on site metric.
6. They are usually heavily SEO with custom software.
7. Is being flagged as a legitimate content provider by Google rather than an affiliate.

The regular affiliate on the other hand:

1. Is using sponsor clips which 100,000 other webmasters have up.
2. Often is embedding content from the same source as thousands of others.
3. Has all sorts of backlinks to the content owner which are seen as "affiliate links".
4. Does not have massive link popularity and paid backlinks.
5. Has lower time on site due to shorter clips.
6. Is usually using cookie cutter software along with maybe a custom template but is limited in SEO potential by it.
7. Is being flagged as a "porn affiliate" by Google's classification mechanism.

Just my opinion. It's worth what you paid for it.

In the last 6 months or so I've lost 70% of my sites on G, but I hold the top 10 for 80% of my sites and most are top 3 in B/G.

Bing uses google results as part of their own algo and yahoo is powered by bing. There are some minor differences on how they handle domain age, flash and things like that... but if you optimize properly for one... you already did optimize for the others. :2 cents:

It's sad the amount of bullshit people say... "They're the number one search engine, they owe us traffic!!" Uh, no idiot, they don't owe you shit.

No, they built their site up to their popularity, nobody helped them, especially any fucking person on GFY... They can make any rules they want, you don't like it, don't index your site in their listings and block Googlebot from viewing your pages. It's that simple.

Google doesn't owe anyone anything, and they can do with their users as they please, just like we all can with our sites.

Play by their rules, or don't play at all.

Tubes - I see many with banners to a program which does give links back to a program. Also, won't a rel="nofollow" take care of that problem for an affiliate?

You're right they did pay for massive backlinks but doesn't that go against Google's wishes? Isn't that what they are trying to weed out? The ability for entities to artificially inflate their popularity?

As for content, many affiliates have their own which may include videos but also images, text (stories etc.) and forums so that the content is unique and something that surfers want that tubes don't necessarily have.

I do agree that they have tons of backlinks and timeonsite stats and in my opinion that's why they rank so high.

I also think that when google does shake things up this much that they don't always know how it's gonna turn out and tweak and tweak some more until many sites (affiliates included) regain their traffic.

There are LOTS of mainstream sites that are hurting too which are not necessarily affiliate sites (read the WM forum).

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True .... BUT ... it is still frustrating and nothing wrong with venting.

focus on making the best sites ever :)

Focus on writing for surfers and quality content in general and search engines, including Google will respect your site over the long haul. I do agree focussing on the quick SEO tricks is dumb and will have you chasing your tail. No traffic source is 100% under your control including media buys, ppc etc.

Like the above post said.. plus if your content is interesting it will get sshred liked and tweeted giving yoyr site traffic..thus ranking you high in the search engines.

Yes, make a site that gets bookmarked:2 cents:

Yeah for sure, people will tweet my new scat movies to their friends.

Some tweets and shares won't get you those high authority links in your niche. You need to put some hard work in it or pay well.

Biggest problem here is that google relies on a lot of manal assesment for link farms, if you can make them with more people than google have on the case, job done. People think too small, and I mean small = teams of 12. You need a few hundred people on the case building sites. Content mangers, project managers, writers, bloggers, content companies, quality assement teams, writers, pseudo journalists and google+ circle bloggers. Go G++ and the love will flow. you really think that some mainstream companies are not spending $50k a month on this shit?

Oh, and a GA prem account helps (lol) but sites that when you look at them, and I really mean look at them and your links you have , and I hope the href target is only on brand, but you think to yourself, does that look real? or does it look like a splog.

You have to look at those and think, hmmm, that actually is a real site written by a fan , or a site that loves the niche etc. If you don't, a google drone boy will be making the same call.

google keeps sending me more and more traffic everyday. I LOVE GOOGLE!

LOL. not all full time, caveat emptor, but at least requiring a full time HR person

The more affiliates trading traffic the less control google has.