Yeah man, however some sponsors after so many years have build a SO STRONG BRAND, that they don't consider affiliates #1 priority nowadays...

They become BIG and HUGE thanks to affiliates, but after so many years of brand building they dont even care, they get lots of signups just from bookmarkers...

Imagine that every site there has 10,000 recurring members at least... 10 sites have 100,000 recurring members and lots of them come back directly to the site, over and over again, cancel and rejoin directly, or via a newsletter, or things like that.

In long term, the affiliate gets a very small piece of the pie, of the referred members he sent in year 2005 and that made the affiliate 200 bucks, and to the sponsor 2000 bucks... Its a win-win situation always for the sponsor.

BTW, what happened to the other guys? Tomitza, Eagle (dan), and others?

I remember all of you from the Vanished VB and ThinkReel.

if it was 1 year ago, they are not going to do anything now (probably)
but you should still deal with it seriously.
but if they have done nothing in the year since they first contacted you this can be used as evidence that they have basically condoned what (whatever) you are doing/done
If its about domains infringing trademarks - i couldnt specifically see exactly what their "allegation" is - then treat it seriously, but dont accept anything they say,
I have had a few run-ins with lawyers alleging trademark infringement - all of them were wrong in law and the "claims" were completely baseless, as well as a pack of lies and the legislation as well as the caselaw stated they were wrong (they knew this as well - otherwise they must have been the dumbest lawyers on earth)
none of the cases ever went anywhere - because they couldnt - its just threats from pathetic (PATHETIC) bullies.
ps. the lawyers are on here, not that it bothers me.

if you think they are harassing you - tell them in writting, and if you think their claim is baseless tell them,

psps
check up their terms + conditions/contract because some "affiliate companies" terms + conditions i have seen would not stand up in a court of law,
but you need to check them for your own benefit anyway.

i apologise, i thought shake was the op.

but the message was still the same :-
tell them to fuck off in a polite and diplomatic way bearing in mind you might want to use that as evidence at a later date.

When i google my product: StrugglingBabes... then i find links to Kink promo movies on tubes
with the title: StrugglingBabes. Should i sue them for ass-fucking my brand? I need legal advice:helpme:mad::disgust

have you trademarked your name (etc etc)
are you the only company/person or the first person/company to use this ? how long have you had this name, have you registered it anywhere ?
do some research. and try to get advice, before you approach someone who may have infringed.
do some research before you go to a lawyer as well. it will save a lot of money if you summarise the case and you should see if you have a case in law, pointless paying for advice if you have nothing in law to rely on.

hello? echo...

talking about money in this thread right?

I took their offer (although it was 4x months not 2x as I had a pending monthly payment before they blocked my account and one extra month that it took to negotiate the deal).

I thought it was a good deal since the last time one of my accounts was blocked by NastyDollars I received no offer whatsoever. NastyDollars wanted the domains and only then would reactivate my account.

Also, no chance I would make the money offered if I redirected the traffic from KinkyDollars domains to the other sponsor.

Godzil, email me at [email protected]

Married or almost married, in the same city, looking sexier then ever, still in online bussiness, online shops,
( one has a huge local sexshop, he is my favourite provider, imagine myself in a big deposit surrounded of... tools :D )
but as I was till this Kink issue, away from forums.

The thing is happening as we speak, I would not have brought an one year issue around so late :) I told them all
the arguments, they don't really care I guess. And moreover, they know it better, since I was showing my domains
to support when I was building new sites, last time a couple of months ago when I told their gay support man about
the last site done and showed it, cause he told me to try that website too.

About loosing my domains, I don't really care about that, probably I might loose 2,3, 4 of the unimportant ones,
I doubt it worths to them to pay the fees for an administrative takeover which 1, is not 100% to be successfull,
2, the domains won are almost worthless ( beside they are small, if I loose them I will take care to remove all
advertising made for them ).

About the lies and claims, I feel you, same here. They told me about domain copyrights regarding names for names
that they haven't even registered them, someone on another board was so kind to give an example.

I am not affraid of a court of law, I am angry because of the way they dealt with me.

Yes, you should probably do that :D

I will not make the money instantly, but I will on the medium term. Their offer was laughable, I was ready to negotiate.
Nothing is irreplaceable in this world, in terms of people or things or affiliate programs or anything. You would be
amazed of what similar sites can be found at other affiliate programs after a few days of searching ( some one in their
support already told me about some months ago ).

Yes boss, doing it asap.

Might have been 7 figures with one. :winkwink:

You lucky devil :D

It's a game of chicken, he who blinks first, loses.

Will remember this, this was my first time.. I was a virgin

I received a letter from Kink today in my snail mail, but it only had a check in it:thumbsup

Why do I get the succinct feeling that the OP simply registered a derivative name of a product or products of theres, and in turn is simply ranking in Google for their brand and redirecting traffic there?

This is a practice that many programs in the future will outlaw / ban / or manage with a middle ground, dependent on the program.

At the end of the day, all these affiliates are doing is effectively leeching off the brand. They aren't really providing value to the sponsor. The only argument one could make is, if they rank there, at least piracy sites don't rank there - but well, Google is already trying to solve that problem.

In the eyes of a sponsor, this is becoming a real problem, and it isn't innocent on the affiliate part. Some affiliates target site brands before they are even launched so they can rank for the brand name before you even have begun your site, giving content away for free. This happens to literally every major sponsor today. So there is going to be lashback at some point, from some companies.

Would you make 10k a month from buying new domains similar to the affiliate and that's it?

For once, google is already down playing the importance of names, as you say.

For twice, domains names are in the niche, 75% of the big ones are in no way going to enter a name related dispute, while the small ones, I don't care, and also for some of the small ones they don't have the copyright registered.

3rdly, they saw the domains many times, including the last time when they launched a new site, some 2 3 months ago, and they told me to go for that too cause it is awesome, and after I bought a new domain and set up a new site and blog I have showed it to the, to the, everyone here?? To the support... Guess what, I am number one in google for a cute niche related search, ( beside others cute rankings ), nothing related to the name. I did that in 2 months because I have a name related to them? WTF...

I will just buy boundgangbbang.com and I am sure in 2 months I will be top of google for extreme naughty sex without doing anything. And hell yes, I would be there because of the name of the domain, right?

4thly and not lastly, I had chats before and had their active support, I can disclose one of the things they have done for me, I will keep the other proofs for me who knows what will happen in the future. I have an account to all their websites, free account created for 1 year, so I can grab content for what? Everyone here? For the sites I was showing to the support, nothing was hidden ever, I didn't use doors or mischievious masking. Or why did they give me full access to all their websites? For masturbating?... Oh yeah, you are a good webmaster, you earn us cash, here it is, a pass to all our sites to please yourself while you work for us.

Your feeling is absolutely wrong regarding me, I can't speak for everybody tho, not my bussiness.

They are doing it awfully wrong, awfully awfully wrong, and there is no argument they can offer beside they are greedy, and can enforce their position doesn't matter how fair it is, and doesn't matter that they broke their deal with me.

This is not about names, or copyrights, this is about a deal we had, a deal that people are not admitting anymore. I haven't appeared yesterday with my sites, they knew about them all the time, and they gave me advice what to do next, what's working better, and, as I said active support, like the content stuff, etc.

The rest, it will be soon just another story. I have more then enough arguments for what they did, but there is no problem. You loose some you earn some.

And at least, joking halfly, and pissed halfly, they should have had the decency to do this in January, not in the month of Xmas, when supposedly all people should be better ( or drunk in my case ), who also happens to be the month of my coming to this Earth filled of honest and hard working people that do not crave for the other people work and money.

Now instead of working normally and getting drunk double of normally I have to work double times to change things and stuff, cause I am not going to wait what the attorney can solve, who knows how long it will last.

Merry Xmas Kink! :pimp

I'm still here.

Besides the Kink owned sites, anyone know of other good bondage sites out there with high quality hd videos and lots of them?

Salut vulturas

And sent pm with websites.

For all interested for an alternative of kink, an alternative that has quality content, one is kinkstercash, I have already started pushing them after this cute story, and thinks look pretty rosy, Sexually broken conversions are doing really well. You can contact me if you need me to redirect you to their support.

Also, gammae and indiebucks cover the gay niches more then adequate, again, quality content.

Bump for rochard and all the hard working affiliates that kink has tried to shaft.

Even if a name is trademarked, you can still legally register domains with that name in them. Registering buykinkyproducthere.com is legal because you are using the therm kinkyproduct to refer to a specific product you are selling and you are not pretending to be the Kinkyproduct Company. I swear, if some of those half ass lawyers working in this industry were working for the Coca-Cola Company, no store would be allowed to disclose to their customers that they're selling Coca-Cola.

Not to carpet bag here, but take a look at wasteland.com
Been around since 1994 and pretty friendly and helpful to affiliates.

Cheers,
Colin

That looks like a good site. I am always on the lookout for new BDSM sites; thanks for the info!

The guy that closes down MelissaMoney and fucks affiliates out of all their rebills defends a company that's currently fucking their affiliates. Who would of thought?

I only have one problem with your websites :) Why don't you offer more pictures on the tour, and descriptions? More content.. That was the only reason I didn't use your websites

Excellent question, Godzil.
Over the past 17 years we have tried pretty much every variation on tour design and amounts of free content imaginable. Why we have settled into the tours that we offer now is that Wasteland is and always has been "a bit different" from most other adult sites and we find that the way we structure our various landing pages makes it stand out from the usual cookie cutter and pseudo tube layout used in the industry. Another reason is that our member area is much more than a video site, and includes a huge amount of bdsm educational and community information, eBooks, forums, commentary, how-to guides, product reviews and 17 years worth of original photo content and many other features that are specifically included to appeal to the "lifestyle" bdsm community that, aside from enjoying movies, are looking for other forms of content that just don't "fit" well on a standard video-focused tour.

Oh, and of equal importance, our tours convert very well. :-)

Hope that explains it a bit!
Best Regards and Happy Holidays!
Colin Rowntree

Thanks and happy hollydays, sorry for the late reply, I am away from work, I had enough this year :) |Cheers

And the tubes are leeching off the brand too... for a sponsor its better to have in SE results affiliate sites with less content directly promoting their sites, then tubes providing shitload of free content and sometimes not even promoting their sites.