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GonZo · 12-10-2012, 10:15 PM

Money laundering sure does come up a lot with these guys.
First in the US and now in Germany....

Fat Panda · 12-10-2012, 10:28 PM

this is bad and scary. i hope they are not violating his rights in jail

mikesouth · 12-10-2012, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SAC

this is bad and scary. i hope they are not violating his rights in jail

as long as the jail owners dont know about it its ok if he gets violated...so long as the sodomy is inmate initiated the jail owners have no responsibility

topnotch, standup guy · 12-10-2012, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth

as long as the jail owners dont know about it its ok if he gets violated...so long as the sodomy is inmate initiated the jail owners have no responsibility

User uploaded.
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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 12-10-2012, 11:40 PM

Quote from Nathan (Fabian Thylmann), on GFY, dated Nov 25th, 2012 (just a few weeks ago):

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan

Now I am getting compared to Al Capone... It is getting better by the minute!

Actually, I can see a slight resemblance - pudgy, same receding hairline, beady eyes, thin lips, jowls...

Kidding aside, some of the comments in this thread, while understandable (given the number of people that Nathan has pissed off while mocking them), I still feel some are inappropriate (sodomy comments, etc).

I'm not losing any sleep over Fabian getting arrested, and frankly I'm really not surprised about the nature of the charges, and think that this could just be the tip of the iceberg that potentially could sink Manwin, and take a lot of people down with it.

All that said, I certainly am not one to wish that Fabian, or anyone in jail for that matter, be violated by sodomy while in custody.

It's enough for me that he faces the charges, and if found guilty, pays the price of his crime(s).

I have no doubt that Fabian should be able to muster some pretty decent legal representation, and if it comes to that, he will get his day in court to defend himself/Manwin against whatever allegations he/they may face.

By now, Fabian probably has a good idea about what kind of information the German government has against him, and what new information they may be able to glean from the computers and documents which they seized in raids upon his offices and home.

If Fabian is the "frontman" many believe him to be, his benefactors/investors/partners/un-indicted co-conspirators, are going to want to take care of their investment, one way or another (to ensure his silence in case he holds any information which could implicate them in any criminal wrongdoing).

If they are good people, he will get all of the money he needs to defend himself/Manwin. If not, then that says a lot about the kind of people that Nathan chose to get into business with. Either way, I imagine poor Fabian's credit rating is going to take a hit even if the charges don't stick, so consequences will never be the same, no matter how this plays out.

Worst case, he's still young. He'll still be under 50 if he gets out in 15 years.

Hopefully this will serve as a warning to crooks (or would be crooks) in the biz, that nobody is invulnerable. It will be interesting to see if Nathan is going to emerge from this a changed person, or follow the tactics of his fellow countryman Kim Dotcom.

ADG

Gozarian · 12-10-2012, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

User uploaded.
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user uploaded - fuck that was good you made me blow coffee all over the desk but I am still laughing - thanks

Trend · 12-10-2012, 11:44 PM

I'm sorry but this thread is hilarious. First of all the money flowing into Manwin is Wall Street, hedge fund money. The board is 90% mainstream. For the first time in our industry you are talking about the true mainstreaming of an adult company. Sure you might consider Playboy, Hustler & Noof but nothing like what has been happening with Manwin. They will have a team of attorney's , accountants etc.

Then consider the multi-national nature of their business and it's not all that surprising that something like this has happened.

Look at the major brands that have had serious tax issues just this year:

Dolce & Gabbana ( accused of evading more than ?400 million in tax )

Sprint ( Accused of $300-million in tax fraud )

Starbucks ( Accused of exploiting British tax laws to move UK-made profits overseas )

Google ( Accused of exploiting tax laws to move profits overseas )

Amazon ( Accused of exploiting tax laws to move profits overseas )

Google has picked Ireland and Bermuda as its main bases, while coffee chain Starbucks has its European base in The Netherlands and pays British tax only after transferring large sums in royalties to its Dutch headquarters. Retailer Amazon paid 1.8 million pounds ($2.9 million) in British tax in 2011, on turnover of 207 million pounds.

This kind of thing happens all the time. It almost always gets sorted out in the end. With the mainstreaming of Manwin.. I'll bet this all gets sorted out as well.

HBKKH · 12-10-2012, 11:45 PM

good night nurse

xXXtesy10 · 12-10-2012, 11:48 PM

Is he an investor?

Mutt · 12-10-2012, 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trend

I'm sorry but this thread is hilarious. First of all the money flowing into Manwin is Wall Street, hedge fund money. The board is 90% mainstream. For the first time in our industry you are talking about the true mainstreaming of an adult company. Sure you might consider Playboy, Hustler & Noof but nothing like what has been happening with Manwin. They will have a team of attorney's , accountants etc.

Then consider the multi-national nature of their business and it's not all that surprising that something like this has happened.

Look at the major brands that have had serious tax issues just this year:

Dolce & Gabbana ( accused of evading more than ?400 million in tax )

Sprint ( Accused of $300-million in tax fraud )

Starbucks ( Accused of exploiting British tax laws to move UK-made profits overseas )

Google ( Accused of exploiting tax laws to move profits overseas )

Amazon ( Accused of exploiting tax laws to move profits overseas )

Google has picked Ireland and Bermuda as its main bases, while coffee chain Starbucks has its European base in The Netherlands and pays British tax only after transferring large sums in royalties to its Dutch headquarters. Retailer Amazon paid 1.8 million pounds ($2.9 million) in British tax in 2011, on turnover of 207 million pounds.

This kind of thing happens all the time. It almost always gets sorted out in the end. With the mainstreaming of Manwin.. I'll bet this all gets sorted out as well.

the board of what is 90% mainstream? manwin board of directors? link to the Board of Directors please.

it's a porn company, you can put lipstick on a pig but it doesn't fool anybody, it's still a pig(hardcore porn company) - the companies you listed with tax disputes are the belles of the ball.

OneHungLo · 12-11-2012, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trend

I'm sorry but this thread is hilarious. First of all the money flowing into Manwin is Wall Street, hedge fund money. The board is 90% mainstream. For the first time in our industry you are talking about the true mainstreaming of an adult company. Sure you might consider Playboy, Hustler & Noof but nothing like what has been happening with Manwin. They will have a team of attorney's , accountants etc.

Then consider the multi-national nature of their business and it's not all that surprising that something like this has happened.

Look at the major brands that have had serious tax issues just this year:

Dolce & Gabbana ( accused of evading more than ?400 million in tax )

Sprint ( Accused of $300-million in tax fraud )

Starbucks ( Accused of exploiting British tax laws to move UK-made profits overseas )

Google ( Accused of exploiting tax laws to move profits overseas )

Amazon ( Accused of exploiting tax laws to move profits overseas )

Google has picked Ireland and Bermuda as its main bases, while coffee chain Starbucks has its European base in The Netherlands and pays British tax only after transferring large sums in royalties to its Dutch headquarters. Retailer Amazon paid 1.8 million pounds ($2.9 million) in British tax in 2011, on turnover of 207 million pounds.

This kind of thing happens all the time. It almost always gets sorted out in the end. With the mainstreaming of Manwin.. I'll bet this all gets sorted out as well.

And which CEOs were arrested and are sitting in jail right now? Oh yeah, none.

xXXtesy10 · 12-11-2012, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

the board of what is 90% mainstream? manwin board of directors? link to the Board of Directors please.

it's a porn company, you can put lipstick on a pig but it doesn't fool anybody, it's still a pig(hardcore porn company) - the companies you listed with tax disputes are the belles of the ball.

I thought the board is the secret though

It will be fun to see those names if they exist

halfpint · 12-11-2012, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Manwin's silence is likely a sign that it's worse than some people think. If it were nothing we would see a statement as such. They may not even know themselves just where it's all going to go.

They have been talking to people they work with and why would they give a statment to GFY

Donna.Partnercash · 12-11-2012, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Tjeezers

I assume you`re being sarcastic

of course !! :P

Captain Kawaii · 12-11-2012, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DTK

exactly this. sympathy would be about the last thing on my list.

btw, imo if you believe Fabian is nothing more than a minority shareholder frontman, i have a couple bridges lying around i'd like to give you a good deal on.

Just to mention, you have a great sig. LOL. Truly true.

the thing that makes me laugh about the Cologne warrant is that Fabes, he likes to be called Fabes now, in the showers, you know, anyway, Germany makes hookers register and pay taxes...They also make the part timers and out of towners, streetwalkers, pay a parking meter fee to work the street. No fee, they get busted. Country like that, which I like, is going to do a number on him. I am sure party invites are being handed out to every country they (Manwin) have an office in.

I am sure Fabes is up to his soon to be expanding anus in the biz affairs. I hope the cops are watching his family.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 12-11-2012, 02:33 AM

If only Fabian had read this first:

Oh well...at least Fabian can keep telling himself that he's the smartest guy in the room:

ADG

Captain Kawaii · 12-11-2012, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

If only Fabian had read this first:

Oh well...at least Fabian can keep telling himself that he's the smartest guy in the room:

ADG

Great posts above. The last pic though...Thats a seriously small toilet. He won't fit...
I bet any mainstream people involved with him are walking away already. They are pretty much RATS and things are fine as long as everybody's doing it but when the shit hits the fan for Fabes, you won't find Ashton Kutcher there on visiting day.

Konda · 12-11-2012, 03:28 AM

Youporn boss sits in custody pending extradition

http://www.welt.de/print/welt_kompak...rungshaft.html

Google Translate

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The First Advent, they were already there. Discreet officials Steuerfahndung Koblenz crept around the building in the Hamburg Notkestraße. Investigators could be seen by an informant, the back doors and the location of the business premises of "Manwin Germany GmbH" record. What they wanted to know: Who has what key, and how would the threatening tall managing behave in a raid? When they were done, they said their informants yet: Before Christmas, we will not be beat.

A bluff. Two days later, it's Tuesday of last week, they moved again. Several dozen tax agents and police searched the 1,000-square-foot offices on two floors. My suspicion: Fraud in one of the largest providers of online pornography, the Manwin Group. It operates with the most clicks sex websites in the world. Belong to the Empire "Youporn", "Pornhub", "DELETED" and the German Amateursexportal "My Dirty Hobby". Some 1,000 people work for the group of companies Manwin. You build pages that are called about 16 billion times a month.

This network of more than 35 companies headquartered in Luxembourg. It has offices and subsidiaries as well as in Canada, Cyprus , USA , Ireland, the UK - and even here in the Hamburg Notkestraße. How to learn from the environment of the company is, the investigators seized in the raid not only computers and documents, but also ordered individual employees for questioning. They are particularly interested in the opaque network of companies and of who runs what sex site from where, and where its revenue.

At the same time investigators raided the private quarters of the CEOs and owners of Manwin. The 34-year-old German, Fabian Thylmann, was arrested later in the week, according to prosecutors in Belgium and waiting for his extradition to Germany .

In charge of the investigation, the prosecutor Cologne focusing on economic crime. It cooperates with the tax investigation Rhineland-Palatinate. "There is a suspicion of tax evasion," said the spokesman for the prosecutor Cologne. There must be considerable sums, because the prosecution has made Aachen the procedure specifically to the specialists from Cologne.

The company Manwin group was not reached for comment on Tuesday. Neither the headquarters in Luxembourg or in the Hamburg branch of the phone picked up. A request by mail also remained unanswered.

The "Welt am Sonntag" was described in detail in September in a cover story, the international porn empire by Fabian Thylmann. In the dossier, it was also about irregularities in the company's design, empty offices at headquarters and the testimony of former employees. In sum, through these oddities could the suspicion of tax evasion have emerged.

Thylmann has let then prohibit certain aspects of reporting a preliminary injunction. The editors of the "world" group has filed an objection. A decision of the court is for 19 Announced in December.

End of October, an informant who reported Manwin apparently knows very well from the inside, in the tax investigation and filed a complaint. The document is the "World." In the heart of the matter, which the subsidiary Amateursexportal "My Dirty Hobby" really operates. The Cypriot Colbette Holdings Limited, as Manwin CEO Fabian Thylmann affidavit. Or the hamburger "Manwin Germany GmbH", as it says in the ad. Here would be the suspected fraud, formulated the whistleblower. "The Colbette Holding is merely existing on paper."

Whoever runs the site. It's about a lot of money. Internal company documents suggest that only the portal "My Dirty Hobby" in the month converts approximately 2.5 million euros. The customer must pay with Internet currency "Dirty Cents" for the films consumed. "Dirty Cents" he buys with real euros.

The sex-page work again so that "amateurs" register and can adjust their self-produced porn film. Which is controlled from the Hamburg branch. The ad states: "From the moment about 15,000 registered amateurs from Germany about 5000 are really active." Few would have a trade account, it could tip earners monthly up to 15 000 euro earn their films.

Interestingly, there is another point: on the payroll of the amateurs, of which several of the "world" s, as the sender Colbette Holdings is listed, although the letters are stored in the computer of the Hamburg GmbH. Where invoices stated that the Cypriot tax is deducted by 17 percent - while living and working women and couples mainly in Germany.

The "Welt am Sonntag" had in their research on Cyprus Ltd no operational facilities for Colbette Holdings. can find. Also the headquarters of the holding company in Luxembourg was orphaned when visiting reporter.

If and when Fabian Thylmann is transferred to Germany, the Cologne public prosecutor could not tell on Monday. The Manwin-sex sites at night were still in operation.

BAKO · 12-11-2012, 03:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trend

I'm sorry but this thread is hilarious. First of all the money flowing into Manwin is Wall Street, hedge fund money. The board is 90% mainstream. For the first time in our industry you are talking about the true mainstreaming of an adult company. Sure you might consider Playboy, Hustler & Noof but nothing like what has been happening with Manwin. They will have a team of attorney's , accountants etc.

Then consider the multi-national nature of their business and it's not all that surprising that something like this has happened.

Look at the major brands that have had serious tax issues just this year:

Dolce & Gabbana ( accused of evading more than ?400 million in tax )

Sprint ( Accused of $300-million in tax fraud )

Starbucks ( Accused of exploiting British tax laws to move UK-made profits overseas )

Google ( Accused of exploiting tax laws to move profits overseas )

Amazon ( Accused of exploiting tax laws to move profits overseas )

Google has picked Ireland and Bermuda as its main bases, while coffee chain Starbucks has its European base in The Netherlands and pays British tax only after transferring large sums in royalties to its Dutch headquarters. Retailer Amazon paid 1.8 million pounds ($2.9 million) in British tax in 2011, on turnover of 207 million pounds.

This kind of thing happens all the time. It almost always gets sorted out in the end. With the mainstreaming of Manwin.. I'll bet this all gets sorted out as well.

Shap · 12-11-2012, 04:01 AM

Thanks Konda. I've been waiting to read an update today. Interesting notes from this article from what I can tell.

This is the result of an informant/whistle blower from within. Ouch.
MyDirtyHobby makes 2.5 mil Euros a month. WOW!

BIGTYMER · 12-11-2012, 04:05 AM

Empty office buildings..

FreewayRick · 12-11-2012, 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trend

I'm sorry but this thread is hilarious. First of all the money flowing into Manwin is Wall Street, hedge fund money. The board is 90% mainstream. For the first time in our industry you are talking about the true mainstreaming of an adult company. Sure you might consider Playboy, Hustler & Noof but nothing like what has been happening with Manwin. They will have a team of attorney's , accountants etc.

Then consider the multi-national nature of their business and it's not all that surprising that something like this has happened.

Look at the major brands that have had serious tax issues just this year:

Dolce & Gabbana ( accused of evading more than ?400 million in tax )

Sprint ( Accused of $300-million in tax fraud )

Starbucks ( Accused of exploiting British tax laws to move UK-made profits overseas )

Google ( Accused of exploiting tax laws to move profits overseas )

Amazon ( Accused of exploiting tax laws to move profits overseas )

Google has picked Ireland and Bermuda as its main bases, while coffee chain Starbucks has its European base in The Netherlands and pays British tax only after transferring large sums in royalties to its Dutch headquarters. Retailer Amazon paid 1.8 million pounds ($2.9 million) in British tax in 2011, on turnover of 207 million pounds.

This kind of thing happens all the time. It almost always gets sorted out in the end. With the mainstreaming of Manwin.. I'll bet this all gets sorted out as well.

I would add that when it comes to Personal Income Taxes, Mr. Thylmann would not have much to fear in Germany.

There are many people who were richer and more famous than him. I can't think of a single case were the accused Celebrity has gotten significant Jail time.

Just two important cases were Steffi Graf (tennis player), her father took the blame for it and got 3 years, of which he served about 1,5 years.

Dr. Zumwinkel, was the CEO of the German Post Service. He got 2 years, of which he didn't serve a single day (same verdict for Boris Becker, a very wealthy tennis player).

Even in the USA, the largest tax evasion case in US History has lead to merely 7 years for the accused http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_..._(entrepreneur)

That being said, the US Justice System is a lot harder, and gives a lot more jail time for comparable cases.

Murder for example, frequently leads to life in prison or the death sentence. In Germany, it's not uncommon to get 15-20 Years for Murder.

Long story short, in Germany, accusations about Personal Income Tax Evasion, are very unlikely to lead to any jail time at all.

babymaker · 12-11-2012, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BIGTYMER

Empty office buildings..

Markham was right :D

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 12-11-2012, 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap

Thanks Konda. I've been waiting to read an update today. Interesting notes from this article from what I can tell.

This is the result of an informant/whistle blower from within. Ouch.

MyDirtyHobby makes 2.5 mil Euros a month. WOW!

Ouch indeed! You should have held out for more of those Euros...

Sounds like a disgruntled employee (prolly not enough toilets).

Too bad Paul is banned so we can't hear him weigh in on his arch nemesis.

ADG

michael.partnercash · 12-11-2012, 04:46 AM

curious how this will end up!

Mutt · 12-11-2012, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by FreewayRick

I would add that when it comes to Personal Income Taxes, Mr. Thylmann would not have much to fear in Germany.

it isn't about personal income tax.

DamianJ · 12-11-2012, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Too bad Paul is banned so we can't hear him weigh in on his arch nemesis.

His insight into the story is amazing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Flippin Heck!!!

At least now we know he's the man at the top.

FreewayRick · 12-11-2012, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

Just to mention, you have a great sig. LOL. Truly true.

the thing that makes me laugh about the Cologne warrant is that Fabes, he likes to be called Fabes now, in the showers, you know, anyway, Germany makes hookers register and pay taxes...

In theory yes, because Prostitution is legal in Germany.

In practice of course the vast majority of Prostitutes do not pay any taxes.

With even a remote knowledge of the subject, it's absolutely obvious that the vast majority of Prostitutes in Germany are from Abroad and may only stay weeks, months.

It's absurd to believe they will pay taxes under these circumstances.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

Country like that, which I like, is going to do a number on him.

Not sure what you mean, but it does sound like you think Germany is a country with very strict laws, high penaltys, even the red-light district is governed.

Reality is far from that, especially when it comes to white-collar crime.

Just one example, there is no German Bernie Madoff, nobody ever got 150 years in Jail for committing white collar crime in Germany (and there have been similar cases).

If this is only about tax evasion in Germany, I think it is unlikely he will get any jail time.

DWB · 12-11-2012, 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap

This is the result of an informant/whistle blower from within. Ouch.

That's how they get ya.

Ringo · 12-11-2012, 05:00 AM

where he is held?

FreewayRick · 12-11-2012, 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

the board of what is 90% mainstream? manwin board of directors? link to the Board of Directors please.

it's a porn company, you can put lipstick on a pig but it doesn't fool anybody, it's still a pig(hardcore porn company) - the companies you listed with tax disputes are the belles of the ball.

At least in Germany that wouldn't mean much, Porn has been legal for more than 40 Years, first Porn Company with a Public Stock was German, Prostitution is legalized, and so on.

I don't think it would be treated any different than a company selling clothes, for example.

Of course, in the USA it would be a different story.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 12-11-2012, 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB

That's how they get ya.

Xmas bonuses for all employees who do not roll on Nathan...

I wonder how Nathan wronged the informant, or if he even knows who it is yet? Angry ex-lover, leftover employee from a previous regime, newly hired/fired, an ethical person with a conscious? So many employees to choose from. Or maybe it is more than one informant already...

Once investigators start flashing badges and conducting one-on-one interrogations, which the translated article above alludes to as having already started to happen, Nathan had better hope that his employees are more loyal than scared, or that they don't know nuthin' about nuthin', as the expression goes.

Of course this could all be just some simple misunderstanding that led to raids at multiple locations, confiscated computers and records, and an arrest in a different country.

I hope for his sake that Fabian is not the paranoid type, because this could really put him off his game if so (although, now I guess he has a good reason to be paranoid, because some people apparently are out to get Fabian/Manwin, since it has escalated into government intervention and Fabian's arrest).

Chris Mallick should have saved everyone's ePassporte money and made a movie about what is going down now instead of making his own ego bomb - he could call it Fabian's Follies or the Manwin Meltdown...everyone would have been rich and lived happily ever after, or it would have at least had a happy ending (just like in the porn movies).

ADG

ilnjscb · 12-11-2012, 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trend

I'm sorry but this thread is hilarious. First of all the money flowing into Manwin is Wall Street, hedge fund money. The board is 90% mainstream. For the first time in our industry you are talking about the true mainstreaming of an adult company. Sure you might consider Playboy, Hustler & Noof but nothing like what has been happening with Manwin. They will have a team of attorney's , accountants etc.

Then consider the multi-national nature of their business and it's not all that surprising that something like this has happened.

Look at the major brands that have had serious tax issues just this year:

Dolce & Gabbana ( accused of evading more than ?400 million in tax )

Sprint ( Accused of $300-million in tax fraud )

Starbucks ( Accused of exploiting British tax laws to move UK-made profits overseas )

Google ( Accused of exploiting tax laws to move profits overseas )

Amazon ( Accused of exploiting tax laws to move profits overseas )

Google has picked Ireland and Bermuda as its main bases, while coffee chain Starbucks has its European base in The Netherlands and pays British tax only after transferring large sums in royalties to its Dutch headquarters. Retailer Amazon paid 1.8 million pounds ($2.9 million) in British tax in 2011, on turnover of 207 million pounds.

This kind of thing happens all the time. It almost always gets sorted out in the end. With the mainstreaming of Manwin.. I'll bet this all gets sorted out as well.

Those mainstream companies, all of whom have Big Four accountants on board and are publicly traded, will not have had the same issues. This is not a slap on the wrist. Manwin has some strong properties but it will not be business as usual. Having a hedge fund as a backer is no guarantee of legitimacy - there are many hedge funds, including those where the founders are in jail or have committed suicide.

NewNick · 12-11-2012, 06:10 AM

First Kim Dot Com and now Mr Thylmann, both in jail.

Who would have thought such a thing could happen.

Theives in prison - and I was always told this was the new way of doing things.

Nothing could be done about it.

The best thing you could do was give the thieves your content, save them stealing it, then hope you could pick up a few crumbs off the floor when they had finished their feast.

Damian and Gideon. What a tag team they were.......the good old days.

is magic · 12-11-2012, 06:15 AM

All I want to say is: "time will only tell"

Europa / EU has at the moment some financial issues and every step the government can do to get his hands on more money, it will do. Even if it means getting involved and questioning the tax laws. The tax laws in Europe are complicated and get more complicated each day, and if the tax money is on the state bank account, it will get interest for each day it lies there, so it's a win-win for the government

and getting that money back can last for a long time!!

NatalieK · 12-11-2012, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by michael.partnercash

curious how this will end up!

Same here... It's worrying, if the arrest is only due to taxes.

With partnership & corporation tax to deal with, It can get messy. & my figures have many less zeros than Fabian dealt with

Konda · 12-11-2012, 07:08 AM

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-872217.html

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One of the world's most successful Internet porn magnates has been arrested in Belgium on German tax evasion charges, a prosecutor has said. Fabian Thylmann's empire is reported to include the websites YouPorn, Brazzers and MyDirtyHobby.

German porn magnate Fabian Thylmann, the creator of the Internet platform YouPorn and other websites that reportedly generate some 16 billion hits per month, has been arrested in Belgium on suspicion of evading taxes in Germany, a spokesman for the Cologne prosecutor's office said Monday.

ANZEIGE

Thylmann, who lives in Belgium, was arrested last week by Belgian police acting on an arrest warrant issued by a court in Cologne, the office said.
According to a report in the daily Die Welt, police also searched the office of a Hamburg branch of Thylmann's international group of companies. Tax inspectors confiscated a number of computers and files at the company, Manwin Germany GmbH. Thylmann's home in Belgium was also searched.

Thylmann, 34, is in custody awaiting extradition to Germany. He comes from Aachen in western Germany and has built up an online pornography empire in recent years.

Die Welt reported that his group, based in Luxembourg under the holding company Manwin Holding Sarl, comprises more than 35 companies specializing in pornographic Web content.

They operate sites such as Pornhub and Brazzers as well as the German amateur sex site MyDirtyHobby. The firms are registered in Luxembourg, Germany, Canada, Cyprus and Ireland.
Media reports say the business generates hundreds of millions of euros in revenue per year and that its websites are among the most visited in the world.

Trend · 12-11-2012, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

the board of what is 90% mainstream? manwin board of directors? link to the Board of Directors please.

it's a porn company, you can put lipstick on a pig but it doesn't fool anybody, it's still a pig(hardcore porn company) - the companies you listed with tax disputes are the belles of the ball.

It's not my place to make the members of a privately held company known. I think most would be blown away by their backgrounds.

And "belles of the ball" or not, they are embroiled in tax disputes with governments.

My point to all of this is... People should't be so quick to jump to conclusions. The thread started with " Not much info" , "Would like to see more facts" and quickly devolved into conspiracy theories and ass rape.

Then again.. this is GFY

ladida · 12-11-2012, 07:16 AM

Not much will happen to him. Will it shake his porn empire is unclear, but he'll scoff it off easy. Everyone gets in tax trouble sooner or later

javinder_mn · 12-11-2012, 07:38 AM

wow this story made the top articles on one of Germanys biggest dailies;
http://www.bild.de/news/inland/news-...0162.bild.html

Phoenix · 12-11-2012, 08:10 AM

why does AShton Kutchers name keep getting brought up?

i admit i dont read gfy like used to, so if someone can let me know?

webgurl · 12-11-2012, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

why does AShton Kutchers name keep getting brought up?

I was wondering the same thing!

tony286 · 12-11-2012, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

Those mainstream companies, all of whom have Big Four accountants on board and are publicly traded, will not have had the same issues. This is not a slap on the wrist. Manwin has some strong properties but it will not be business as usual. Having a hedge fund as a backer is no guarantee of legitimacy - there are many hedge funds, including those where the founders are in jail or have committed suicide.

And who knows if he really has a hedge fund as a backer? A hedge fund would be responsible for the money they lend out and they have investors to answer to. I still say that's a nice story we are told. First because porn on wall st has been a dog no porn company was a success on wall st. So why would educated banker give some guy 300 million dollars in a industry that's a dog on wall st? Secondly if he had all this money I don't think they would be be doing the porn layaway plan for the things they are buying.
Also someone spoke about a bunch of mainstream companies having problems with tax.I think this is more than that considering he was arrested. No one from those other companies was carted off to jail.

NemesisEnforcer · 12-11-2012, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

- he could call it Fabian's Follies or the Manwin Meltdown...

Cute titles

adultmobile · 12-11-2012, 10:00 AM

From what I read, the issue started from (and for now it is just) the mydirtyhobby old Germans-only site which Fabian operated before to expand (with loan from someone) to Canada's mansef, and next mostly north American's acquisitions.
In particular the Cyprus trick to pay less tax (and VAT, who gave issue to AFF before too) it was busted as customers and performers of the site are all German Citizens, as well as offices from where it is operated. As Mike South "found", the Cyprus Vasillis Kaiser Souzer Kasillis trick it is very popular, but as someone else posted a meme "I don't do tax evasion; but if I do, I don't do it in Germany", I would add, where customers and employees are both german citizens.
I don't think Manwin made it 100% shady, as I remember having paid trafficjunky (the pornhub ad network) from at least 2011 with a wire to Commerzbank of Hamburg and an German company, not to Cyprus, so it could be the supposed issue is about what been done several years ago... in fact the tax people are always 1 to 3 years delayed with accountings. They can bust you today, even if you fixed it all, because they just figured you was doing wrong 3 years ago.
About mydirtyhobby I remember Fabian replying personally to the support forum, in fact I think at some point was doing this full time, before of mansef->manwin expansion, it hsould have been around 2009 when mydirtyhobby was supposedly bought by Virage (COHA GmbH? Fiscal Group Limited of Gibraltar?)... so my Guess it is the German tax guys are just about years old issue with mydirtyhobby, which they checked with today's assets which included all the north america stuff they wonder where it pops from. About Colbette Holdings (Cyprus) that was the ownership of webcams.com which was bought in 2010, so it is again 2, nearly 3 years ago stuff.
It could be likely be that they have to pay a fine for some german/cyprus questionable triangulation made in 2009-2010, then find that 2011 to today it is "ok". Unsure if really there's jail for this stuff, esp. if you pay your fines, it depends on German law and I know other countries law more.

Ringo · 12-11-2012, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286

Also someone spoke about a bunch of mainstream companies having problems with tax.I think this is more than that considering he was arrested. No one from those other companies was carted off to jail.

maybe for those was just an accounting error

The Porn Nerd · 12-11-2012, 10:08 AM

What a fucking mess.

adultmobile · 12-11-2012, 10:33 AM

Rather than F5 this thread (gfy = jokes or false/old info), just google for "Ulrich Bremer" Thylmann, it's quite mainstream now, includes Washington Post:

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Ul...er%22+Thylmann

The (you)porn thing make the topic gossip valued for journalists so they may talk a lot about it, probably in misleading way to make it more spicy. I wonder if tax guys in other countries for ex. Canada may read news too, some prosecutor may want to be famous or think it helps career and get the idea "Ehi! We are prosecuring this guy too, interview me too!".

akkad47 · 12-11-2012, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by adultmobile

From what I read, the issue started from (and for now it is just) the mydirtyhobby old Germans-only site which Fabian operated before to expand (with loan from someone) to Canada's mansef, and next mostly north American's acquisitions.
In particular the Cyprus trick to pay less tax (and VAT, who gave issue to AFF before too) it was busted as customers and performers of the site are all German Citizens, as well as offices from where it is operated. As Mike South "found", the Cyprus Vasillis Kaiser Souzer Kasillis trick it is very popular, but as someone else posted a meme "I don't do tax evasion; but if I do, I don't do it in Germany", I would add, where customers and employees are both german citizens.
I don't think Manwin made it 100% shady, as I remember having paid trafficjunky (the pornhub ad network) from at least 2011 with a wire to Commerzbank of Hamburg and an German company, not to Cyprus, so it could be the supposed issue is about what been done several years ago... in fact the tax people are always 1 to 3 years delayed with accountings. They can bust you today, even if you fixed it all, because they just figured you was doing wrong 3 years ago.
About mydirtyhobby I remember Fabian replying personally to the support forum, in fact I think at some point was doing this full time, before of mansef->manwin expansion, it hsould have been around 2009 when mydirtyhobby was supposedly bought by Virage (COHA GmbH? Fiscal Group Limited of Gibraltar?)... so my Guess it is the German tax guys are just about years old issue with mydirtyhobby, which they checked with today's assets which included all the north america stuff they wonder where it pops from. About Colbette Holdings (Cyprus) that was the ownership of webcams.com which was bought in 2010, so it is again 2, nearly 3 years ago stuff.
It could be likely be that they have to pay a fine for some german/cyprus questionable triangulation made in 2009-2010, then find that 2011 to today it is "ok". Unsure if really there's jail for this stuff, esp. if you pay your fines, it depends on German law and I know other countries law more.

You're the One Closest to truth so far right here....

SKUP · 12-11-2012, 11:23 AM

I would piss my pants for sure if this is only close to the truth. Would really love to see the faces of some of the guys over here. Especially those with fantasies of sodomy in a jailhouse LOL

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12-10-2012, 10:28 PM	#302
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12-10-2012, 11:44 PM	#307
Trend Confirmed User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Mexico and Midwest Posts: 612	I'm sorry but this thread is hilarious. First of all the money flowing into Manwin is Wall Street, hedge fund money. The board is 90% mainstream. For the first time in our industry you are talking about the true mainstreaming of an adult company. Sure you might consider Playboy, Hustler & Noof but nothing like what has been happening with Manwin. They will have a team of attorney's , accountants etc. Then consider the multi-national nature of their business and it's not all that surprising that something like this has happened. Look at the major brands that have had serious tax issues just this year: Dolce & Gabbana ( accused of evading more than ?400 million in tax ) Sprint ( Accused of $300-million in tax fraud ) Starbucks ( Accused of exploiting British tax laws to move UK-made profits overseas ) Google ( Accused of exploiting tax laws to move profits overseas ) Amazon ( Accused of exploiting tax laws to move profits overseas ) Google has picked Ireland and Bermuda as its main bases, while coffee chain Starbucks has its European base in The Netherlands and pays British tax only after transferring large sums in royalties to its Dutch headquarters. Retailer Amazon paid 1.8 million pounds ($2.9 million) in British tax in 2011, on turnover of 207 million pounds. This kind of thing happens all the time. It almost always gets sorted out in the end. With the mainstreaming of Manwin.. I'll bet this all gets sorted out as well.

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12-11-2012, 11:23 AM	#350
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