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L-Pink · 12-30-2012, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

so, in layman's terms, with hedge funds it's all hush hush and anything goes as long $$ is being made...

Yep, I'm approaching one next week to get funding for my plan to fly drones loaded with cocaine from Mexico to a house in Arizona. Better return than porn.

epitome · 12-30-2012, 02:26 PM

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Yep, I'm approaching one next week to get funding for my plan to fly drones loaded with cocaine from Mexico to a house in Arizona. Better return than porn.

Cocaine smuggling is illegal, porn is not. Not a single one of Manwins websites have lost safe harbor so they are not illegal, either.

We may not like it but it is reality.

Edit: You do have me wondering how long until drones start running drugs.

notinmybackyard · 12-30-2012, 03:00 PM

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Not a single one of Manwins websites have lost safe harbor so they are not illegal, either.

Safe harbor does not apply to Manwin.

Youporn and Manwin's other sites are all registered in Hong Kong and the company itself is registered outside of the United States....

Therefore stop trying to apply american laws to non-americans. If you want to catch a crook, you need to get the laws that govern him enforced. IE: Start researching European laws and the laws in Hong Kong for a solution.

For exemple. If Manwin was hosted in France or registered in France. We could nail them on the fact that in article 227-24 of the french penial code clearly states that all pornographique sites must provide access to parental control software. Failture to do so is a 375 000 euros fine and 3 years in jail.... For each and every infraction

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The US-EU safe harbor is a streamlined process for US companies to comply with the EU Directive 95/46/EC on the protection of personal data. It is designed to prevent accidental information disclosure or loss. It has nothing to do with copyright.

epitome · 12-30-2012, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

Safe harbor does not apply to Manwin.

Youporn and Manwin's other sites are all registered in Hong Kong and the company itself is registered outside of the United States....

Therefore stop trying to apply american laws to non-americans. If you want to catch a crook, you need to get the laws that govern him enforced. IE: Start researching European laws and the laws in Hong Kong for a solution.

For exemple. If Manwin was hosted in France or registered in France. We could nail them on the fact that in article 227-24 of the french penial code clearly states that all pornographique sites must provide access to parental control software. Failture to do so is a 375 000 euros fine and 3 years in jail.... For each and every infraction

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Beneficial owner. Operations in US as well.

Shut up Marion.

Oron was offshore too.

DWB · 12-30-2012, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome

Cocaine smuggling is illegal, porn is not. Not a single one of Manwins websites have lost safe harbor so they are not illegal, either.

No, but money laundering is and Mansef was knee deep in it with the US gov when this loan was made to buy them.

Sure, maybe it happened the way we were told. Anything is possible and there are always exceptions to the rules. However, I just find it unlikely someone would take such a risk with a company who recently had millions seized by the US gov for money laundering. Seems that would be a pretty big red flag to anyone thinking about getting involved with them.

Manwin's piracy operations are still afloat because everyone who has sued them settles out of court for an undisclosed amount of money. If someone went the distance and didn't cash out, things may be very different. Also, considering the Mansef guys are still there running things and they were the ones paying uploaders to upload, I'm sure someone could make a case there if they wanted to. Changing your company name doesn't excuse you from illegal activity done by the same people still working there. Problem is, not many companies can take them on and 100% of them would drop it for enough money. Money talks and we're all in this to make money, so I honestly can't blame them.

epitome · 12-30-2012, 07:18 PM

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No, but money laundering is and Mansef was knee deep in it with the US gov when this loan was made to buy them.

Sure, maybe it happened the way we were told. Anything is possible and there are always exceptions to the rules. However, I just find it unlikely someone would take such a risk with a company who recently had millions seized by the US gov for money laundering. Seems that would be a pretty big red flag to anyone thinking about getting involved with them.

Manwin's piracy operations are still afloat because everyone who has sued them settles out of court for an undisclosed amount of money. If someone went the distance and didn't cash out, things may be very different. Also, considering the Mansef guys are still there running things and they were the ones paying uploaders to upload, I'm sure someone could make a case there if they wanted to. Changing your company name doesn't excuse you from illegal activity done by the same people still working there. Problem is, not many companies can take them on and 100% of them would drop it for enough money. Money talks and we're all in this to make money, so I honestly can't blame them.

None of those things would be overly concerning for many funds though. The out of court settlements are seen as a mere cost of doing business. Then one can always point to YouTube... Wasn't there a smoking gun that the founders were uploading content? (I honestly don't remember).

Lots of things can happen with oil wells too... Like blowing up, losing them and polluting the ocean but people still invest. They don't invest based on their morals.

Now if there is really a fund behind this (and don't get me wrong... I wonder about scareware money too) tax evasion or fraud by the top man would cause some issues.

PromoterX · 12-30-2012, 10:25 PM

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No kidding - I can't stop laughing every time I see that gif. Hilarious.

Konda · 12-31-2012, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

No legitimate investment entity loaned 100 million to a shady porn company.

It was not a loan like in a loan, it is more an investment like VC.

They got 362 Million, the German news paper that did the whole investigation even mentions one of the investment companies by name. The other one is hiding behind a Delaware corp setup.

If you get a loan you can do whatever you want with the money. It is not the case here, everything has to be run by the investors before decisions are made.

charlie g · 12-31-2012, 12:54 AM

Not many "straight"investors for porn business nowadays. Thanks FFN

DWB · 12-31-2012, 05:13 AM

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None of those things would be overly concerning for many funds though. The out of court settlements are seen as a mere cost of doing business. Then one can always point to YouTube... Wasn't there a smoking gun that the founders were uploading content? (I honestly don't remember).

Lots of things can happen with oil wells too... Like blowing up, losing them and polluting the ocean but people still invest. They don't invest based on their morals.

Now if there is really a fund behind this (and don't get me wrong... I wonder about scareware money too) tax evasion or fraud by the top man would cause some issues.

Assets seized by the government for money laundering would absolutely be an issue of concern. That is quite different than piracy or an oil rig blowing up. It means they are involved in illegally activity, money laundering, which means they too will probably be involved in illegal activity should they invest and possibly risk losing all of their money. Not to mention, in this particular case they were laundering money through Israeli banks in a post 911 world. Maybe someone did that take risk. It's just highly unlikely.

I honestly can't even believe we're (meaning everyone) debating this. The guy built his business on theft, has legally silenced everyone who has sued him over piracy, tried to sue the German news paper so they couldn't release facts about him and his company, and his sitting on house arrest facing real prison time for tax evasion. If everyone didn't know him or wasn't sucking milk from the Manwin tit, no one would believe a word of it and say the guy is a criminal. But in the incestuous world of porn, he's legit and speaks the gospel. Strange business we're in.

Happy new years everyone. May 2013 bring even more insanity to our industry.

DWB · 12-31-2012, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Konda

It was not a loan like in a loan, it is more an investment like VC.

They got 362 Million, the German news paper that did the whole investigation even mentions one of the investment companies by name. The other one is hiding behind a Delaware corp setup.

If you get a loan you can do whatever you want with the money. It is not the case here, everything has to be run by the investors before decisions are made.

They mentioned a company, but there is no record of the transaction. In a post 9-11 USA, all transactions over $10,000 are reported. So unless they literally handed him cash, there will be a paper trail that the German media will find, but it hasn't materialized yet. Maybe it will. We'll have to wait and see.

Bugbee · 12-31-2012, 11:49 AM

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I honestly can't even believe we're (meaning everyone) debating this. The guy built his business on theft, has legally silenced everyone who has sued him over piracy, tried to sue the German news paper so they couldn't release facts about him and his company, and his sitting on house arrest facing real prison time for tax evasion. If everyone didn't know him or wasn't sucking milk from the Manwin tit, no one would believe a word of it and say the guy is a criminal. But in the incestuous world of porn, he's legit and speaks the gospel. Strange business we're in.

Happy new years everyone. May 2013 bring even more insanity to our industry.

QFT, and it will!!! Happy New Year!

epitome · 12-31-2012, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Assets seized by the government for money laundering would absolutely be an issue of concern. That is quite different than piracy or an oil rig blowing up. It means they are involved in illegally activity, money laundering, which means they too will probably be involved in illegal activity should they invest and possibly risk losing all of their money. Not to mention, in this particular case they were laundering money through Israeli banks in a post 911 world. Maybe someone did that take risk. It's just highly unlikely.

I honestly can't even believe we're (meaning everyone) debating this. The guy built his business on theft, has legally silenced everyone who has sued him over piracy, tried to sue the German news paper so they couldn't release facts about him and his company, and his sitting on house arrest facing real prison time for tax evasion. If everyone didn't know him or wasn't sucking milk from the Manwin tit, no one would believe a word of it and say the guy is a criminal. But in the incestuous world of porn, he's legit and speaks the gospel. Strange business we're in.

Happy new years everyone. May 2013 bring even more insanity to our industry.

HSBC was just in trouble for money laundering. It's now business as usual again for them. Money has no morals.

Rest assured though that lots of investigators are looking into Manwin funds so if they aren't on the up and up and it is something like Sam's money that funded these acquisition then that ship is going to quickly sink.

Happy New Year!

DWB · 12-31-2012, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome

HSBC was just in trouble for money laundering. It's now business as usual again for them. Money has no morals.

Rest assured though that lots of investigators are looking into Manwin funds so if they aren't on the up and up and it is something like Sam's money that funded these acquisition then that ship is going to quickly sink.

Happy New Year!

HSBC was already well established on a global scale and they are not a porn company. Not to mention they are a very powerful bank, and we all know banks get away with just about anything.

Like I said before, maybe it did all play out the way he says. Weirder things have happened. It's just something I personally have a difficult time believing. Perhaps if everything wasn't so shrouded in secrecy, this wasn't the porn industry, the "old owners" were not so shady, NATS would have never been hacked in 2007, Fabian had lots of experience, and piracy was not Manwin's business, most non-believers wouldn't question the official story. But when you throw all that shit against the wall, while there is no proof of anything either way, there are just a lot of things that make you question what we've been told and a handful of coincidences that leave some of us scratching our head. Not to mention, this is the porn industry and many of the people in it are not exactly the most trustworthy people. But who knows, all of us naysayers could be totally wrong. Wouldn't be the first time, won't be the last.

I really don't even know why I am debating where the money came from. I honestly don't care. It's something interesting to talk about while I render videos. My only real concern is their involvement in piracy, which directly affects me as a site owner and producer. Where they got their money has nothing to do with me unless they want to give me some of it.

JFK · 12-31-2012, 02:06 PM

13Fitty tax probes

epitome · 12-31-2012, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

HSBC was already well established on a global scale and they are not a porn company. Not to mention they are a very powerful bank, and we all know banks get away with just about anything.

Like I said before, maybe it did all play out the way he says. Weirder things have happened. It's just something I personally have a difficult time believing. Perhaps if everything wasn't so shrouded in secrecy, this wasn't the porn industry, the "old owners" were not so shady, NATS would have never been hacked in 2007, Fabian had lots of experience, and piracy was not Manwin's business, most non-believers wouldn't question the official story. But when you throw all that shit against the wall, while there is no proof of anything either way, there are just a lot of things that make you question what we've been told and a handful of coincidences that leave some of us scratching our head. Not to mention, this is the porn industry and many of the people in it are not exactly the most trustworthy people. But who knows, all of us naysayers could be totally wrong. Wouldn't be the first time, won't be the last.

I really don't even know why I am debating where the money came from. I honestly don't care. It's something interesting to talk about while I render videos. My only real concern is their involvement in piracy, which directly affects me as a site owner and producer. Where they got their money has nothing to do with me unless they want to give me some of it.

Hmm, there are some things you mentioned in there that I had completely forgotten happened.

Dun dun dunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!

HushMoney · 12-31-2012, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

HSBC was already well established on a global scale and they are not a porn company. Not to mention they are a very powerful bank, and we all know banks get away with just about anything.

Like I said before, maybe it did all play out the way he says. Weirder things have happened. It's just something I personally have a difficult time believing. Perhaps if everything wasn't so shrouded in secrecy, this wasn't the porn industry, the "old owners" were not so shady, NATS would have never been hacked in 2007, Fabian had lots of experience, and piracy was not Manwin's business, most non-believers wouldn't question the official story. But when you throw all that shit against the wall, while there is no proof of anything either way, there are just a lot of things that make you question what we've been told and a handful of coincidences that leave some of us scratching our head. Not to mention, this is the porn industry and many of the people in it are not exactly the most trustworthy people. But who knows, all of us naysayers could be totally wrong. Wouldn't be the first time, won't be the last.

I really don't even know why I am debating where the money came from. I honestly don't care. It's something interesting to talk about while I render videos. My only real concern is their involvement in piracy, which directly affects me as a site owner and producer. Where they got their money has nothing to do with me unless they want to give me some of it.

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He's still reading your posts DWB, if you're getting too close to the truth, maybe he'll pay you some hushmoney!

Gozarian · 12-31-2012, 02:26 PM

Merry Christmas Fabi, Happy New Year ;)

DWB · 12-31-2012, 03:25 PM

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He's still reading your posts DWB, if you're getting too close to the truth, maybe he'll pay you some hush money!

Doubt I'm anywhere near the truth, but if he gave me hush money I'd take it and use it to free Chow.

Happy New Years to all!!!!!

BareBacked · 12-31-2012, 04:44 PM

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I've gotten a pretty big loan (for me anyway) before. And it was NOT easy. And I had to hide what I was doing in every fucking way to get a loan for 2.3 million dollars. And that was a real estate investment.

It took a lot of time and paperwork and getting anally examined to pull it off. And they were still real concerned about my claim of affiliate sales online (I didn't say that they were ADULT affiliate sales to them lol).

But I had owned the company since 1998 and had stellar credit AND collateral AND a nice chunk of cash in the bank.

how did you do on your real estate investment? What is it worth now days.
I hope it was after the crash

xXXtesy10 · 12-31-2012, 09:41 PM

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Merry Christmas Fbi, Happy New Year ;)

Fixed that for you

Quoth the Raven · 01-02-2013, 04:55 PM

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how did you do on your real estate investment? What is it worth now days.
I hope it was after the crash

I'd like to know too!!!!

adultmobile · 01-03-2013, 08:44 AM

note: there was no news after 21st December, so disgregard all what it was posted here from 22th until today.

signupdamnit · 01-03-2013, 08:51 AM

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He's still reading your posts DWB, if you're getting too close to the truth, maybe he'll pay you some hushmoney!

I saw he was on earlier today. I'm sure he was advised not to post. I can't say that I blame him there.

kyro · 01-03-2013, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

HSBC was already well established on a global scale and they are not a porn company. Not to mention they are a very powerful bank, and we all know banks get away with just about anything.

Like I said before, maybe it did all play out the way he says. Weirder things have happened. It's just something I personally have a difficult time believing. Perhaps if everything wasn't so shrouded in secrecy, this wasn't the porn industry, the "old owners" were not so shady, NATS would have never been hacked in 2007, Fabian had lots of experience, and piracy was not Manwin's business, most non-believers wouldn't question the official story. But when you throw all that shit against the wall, while there is no proof of anything either way, there are just a lot of things that make you question what we've been told and a handful of coincidences that leave some of us scratching our head. Not to mention, this is the porn industry and many of the people in it are not exactly the most trustworthy people. But who knows, all of us naysayers could be totally wrong. Wouldn't be the first time, won't be the last.

I really don't even know why I am debating where the money came from. I honestly don't care. It's something interesting to talk about while I render videos. My only real concern is their involvement in piracy, which directly affects me as a site owner and producer. Where they got their money has nothing to do with me unless they want to give me some of it.

I don't think Nathan was behind the nats hack, there was no reason for him to do that as he had access to all of that information just a year prior when he was an owner.

Everyone speaks of where the money came from and points to the wall street hedge fund. But that didn't happen to much later, after Nathan had already created 50m + dollars and several big acquisitions including brazzers and creating manwin. The mystery is not how or who he got the big wall street money from but how he got started in the first year or two and who funded him then. He was partner in nats and got bought out so he got some money from there. It comes down to did he really take 1m and turn it into 5m then into 10m then 50m in just 3 years from buying companies or did he have partners and other peoples money from very begining.

From looking at old threads here everything leads back to $tandaman, Stan Fiskin Envisionext, Virage Media, Sexrevenue and who funded the purchases of iwantu, privateamateur, xtube, mydirtyhobby.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 01-24-2013, 01:14 PM

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Someone here forgets that Fabian got no degree in German Tax Law. He knows coding and management, and uses consultants for rest, which makes sense.
Further, Fabian tells to FT: The money for "all" the acquisitions ( = Mansef tubes, webcams.com, DP, ...) comes from a 362 million-dollar loan by a New York investment company.
Must give credit to Fabian, he noted that after 2008 crisis, the lowered profits on mainstream stocks, let soneone try invest elsewhere, such as porn, that's legit and make sense.
Fabian says "all" the money, like if no own money was used. Whoever dealt with multi million loans, knows that the banks will want to decide and control the accounting and company structure, even if leaving you free to decide products and marketing.
Wheter or not Fabian it is legally responsible for company structure on the paper, it is unlikely he would (or could be allowed really) to decide if use Cyprus or Germany as he wished, especially if any of accountants (and investing bank) disagreed.
About old Mansef CEO running old Mansef office, as well as old Webcams, DP, etc. staff continuing to run respective operations... this make sense. They are employees, not owners. In Merge & Acquisitions, you keep in their place the management that does well, why to change.

The first and main acquisition (using loan's money) it was Mansef tubes, in Canada.
There, I suppose the previous Mansef accountant it was retained, as that's Montreal and not New York one:
Eric Labelle of Raymond Chabot Grant Thornton (Montreal) in 2010 writes in linkedin he was a consultant to Fabian at Manwin Holding SARL (Luxembourg).
http://www.rcgt.com/en/partners-experts/labellee/
Fabian declares in 2012 that he was advised by Grant Thornton that Cyprus companies in the structure it was legal to be used (for German MyDirtyHobby site too).
I think Fabian really believed so, and I guess he been mandated to do so by the investors, or not getting the loan.

Now, we know the name of the accountsnt, but no info on who gave the 362 million loan.
Names are not disclosed by Thylmann due to confidentiality clauses of the deal.
The investors may include entities linked to Churches, Synagogues, Republican party, Saudi Arabia or any Pope and King.
I really don't think it includes Mafia, Money Laundering or any Gangster: the real problem here it may be, that it is respectable conservative religious families who invested in porn.

The Manwin's corporate structure, so Grant Thornton's setup, it was validated and backed by the undisclosed New York investment fund, that's for sure.
Fabian said to FT "the credit (loan) had been sold to a dozen more fund houses".
I guess, without specify clearly it is a porn one, or at least with the warranty, that the name of who is investing in porn would be kept confidential.
And there it comes Cyprus. A guess: not for Tax evasion, but to hide the names of respectable people who invested in porn.
In fact more than greedy ones wanting to save on Tax, they may be shy to lose reputation, so everyoone knows a certain priest or rabbi or republican senator invested in porn.

What's next? Germans Tax guys, wants Tax money only. They don't need to expose foreigners who invested in porn, if Fabian paid the needed tax.
A Tax fine it will be calculated, and paid, making sure no porn investor names it will be exposed.
In any case, Canada will not give troubles to a 1000 employees company who bring cash to country.
Issue is limited to Germany. Probably Fabian will be back home, and yell at his accountants.

Good call on RCGT...

ADG

adultmobile · 01-24-2013, 07:51 PM

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Good call on RCGT...

ADG

Vintage news.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 01-25-2013, 01:01 AM

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Vintage news.

This could be a photo from the bust:

Source: http://kurier.at/politik/weltchronik...ftet/1.759.815

And this is from just a few days ago (translated from Stern.de):

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In the garden of the world's biggest porn tycoon grow roses. Gloria Dei in France, Just Joey from England, Trosroos Maria Teresa from Belgium, especially red. Its own facility they received: raked sand paths through the flower beds as through a small park, the roses grow there for his wife. He himself says Fabian Thylmann not be so romantic.

He's a numbers man. Soberly analytic, rational. That brought the Computernerd far from Germany. The now 34-year-old computer programmer from Aachen has revamped one peripheral, but multibillion-dollar global market completely.

Those looking for instinctual discharge, lands at Thylmann
Thylmann has a handful of the most lucrative of the Internet porn sites, and about Youporn Pornhub, Men.com, Webcams.com. To his kingdom, companies like Brazzers, Reality Kings and Digital Playground, which are among the most valuable in the industry. Even with Playboy, the venerable gentleman's brand of entertainment erection, the German has now calling the shots. Except for the magazine, he spearheaded all: the site, the TV channels, the radio station. Anyone looking for instinctual discharge, has the best chance to end up with one of Thylmanns do.

Although in the porn industry bizarre backgrounds are not uncommon, is liable to the meteoric rise Thylmanns something amazing, almost unreal. This is most evident when we visited him at home. From the small apartment of Aachen early years, a 19,000 square meter site in the vicinity of Brussels has become. Traveling is no longer in the mid-size car, but in a private jet.

So not pornös
Nowhere else can the structural change in the industry as well as to read Thylmann. The slightly plump businessman who with his baggy look and holey socks so not acting pornös. Alone the stigma of half illegals surrounding the pornography industry for decades, even Thylmann could never really barking.

On 4 December, the Belgian police arrested him at home: suspicion of tax evasion. The warrant comes from the Cologne public prosecutor, in December he will be extradited to Germany. On 21 December Thylmann is released on bail. The amounts at least to a low double-digit millions. "Sometimes it's all hard to grasp," he says a few weeks before his arrest, when he meditates on his ascent. He would not now be easier.

Filth is filth
It started this career because he is 17 years old. Thylmann looking online what one looks just at that age on the Internet. Back in the mid-90s, Amazon is still a loss-making start-up that Google does not yet exist, the offer is on the Web manageable. Pornographic content is largely locked away behind pay walls. Free sex videos available that are longer than a few seconds, there is hardly any.

Anyone who feels that the open-access galleries and who does not know how to help a bit, which still finds ways to fill watch. In more or less hidden chat rooms to meet like minded people and exchange files, links, and - more importantly - passwords for sex sites. Thylmann they often only occur in those areas, where he met his first employer know. "They were very young people who had just started to sell things online." Things to say porn. From the chats they know that programming can Thylmann, so one can use them. So they ask him if he wants to work for them. He says yes. It flatters him that his skills are appreciated.

The mother, of course, does not like what he is doing. Filth filth remains, even if the son making money. "I like programming but only," he reassured her. "With the content I have to do nothing." Finally, she puts up with it.

"I'm a geek"
The school bores him, except in math and physics, he brings home bad grades. When teachers and students, he plotted with his direct style. "Fabian never had many friends," said a classmate who once sat next to him. Both go in Brussels on the International German School, their parents are expats. Years later, she meets a loner from the computer science AG again by chance, since she is his wife.

"My first computer I had at 14," says Thylmann a 286 with 6-MB hard drive that he can still remember. At 15, he is the two programming languages Pascal and Basic. People who have met him at the time describe him as shy and secretive. "Thylmann squatted in front of the computer and rarely said more than hello, if passed," recalls one.

"I'm a geek," says Thylmann himself for his understanding of the business is the fundamental. First and foremost it is for him is one of binary numbers, none of bare thighs.

Thylmann could not have picked a better time for his first steps. To the extent to which the Internet will prevail as a mass medium, and the demand for pornography - and accordingly the offer. After the 70s, the "Golden Age of Porn", the industry will begin a second boom, almost every day new sites popping up.

Gold Rush with Schmuddelbildchen
The contents come mainly from the offline world. Magazines are scanned and uploaded grobpixelig, but especially the advent of DVD does the rest: be 1995 in the U.S. almost 6000 hardcore titles published. Ten years later, there are more than 130,000. And all that is bare now, somehow, sometime in the net. The Internet provides a welcome opportunity for the secondary use, one that takes out the purchase and consumption of pornography from greasy Sexläden and video stores.

To pay sites around, a new economic niche: the so-called affiliates. The website operators are designed to attract web users to paid sites. Ensure the decoys from their business partners get put free galleries. Now a surfer clicks on the image, it will be forwarded to the pay offer. Latest money there when he leaves, the affiliate gets a commission.

For those with a little knowledge of HTML gold rush. End of the 90s there are approximately 5,000 affiliates, each of them has an average of two to three websites that link to hundreds and hundreds of galleries. Thylmann makes his first fortune.

With amateurs for money
Because in order to know how many users who link where, the traffic can be measured. And here comes into play Thylmann. Statistical tools for a couple of websites are the beginning, it follows Porntrack a counting software, which he sells to several vendors. Thylmann makes monthly sales from 60,000 to 70,000 German marks, because it is no 20th

His ambitions as a student, however, keep in check. He writes for a business computer science, but when he speaks of his studies, he uses the word in quotation marks with fingers. A seminar certificate is all that comes of it.

He programmed prefer. On Porntrack follows SexTracker. Together with a partner, he makes an office in Phoenix, Arizona, at, in America attracts the big money. But Thylmann quarreled with his partner, "who was an asshole." That is for him to sample. In 2000, he throws back.

He works alone again, "everything", the money he has invested largely squandered or missing. "It also falls flat on its face," he says. Three years later, it's all forgotten.

Thylmann has two new partners formed a new company, Too Much Media. Together they write a program which enables to manage the business between suppliers and affiliate, simple and transparent for both sides - a novelty.

Flood of free porn
The software captured the industry by storm, it is the industry standard. The most expensive version costs 5000 dollars a month. Thylmann is rich again. And again, he throws back, "because I have pissed my partner." In 2006, he can pay off and joins forces with Tobias Huch.

The erotic entrepreneurs and young liberals from Mainz is a notorious cross-head for the "right to pornography" also draws ever pre Federal Constitutional Court. One year after its inception, the joint company is bankrupt. "He was mad at me," says Thylmann, "I was mad at him, and he sued me." Thrice civilly, criminally once. For fraud and Insolvenzverschleppung. Two "really tiring" years to draw the processes before, both out of court. "Thylmann comprehended it not well done," Huch says today.

The next project is buying a German Thylmann checkout page "for a small amount of millions." Home videos are offered on Privatamateure.com or those who look after. And again, the entrepreneur is the right one. Book, produced by the simplest means films are becoming a major trend. Amateur porn shoot in front webcam and chat with users - an innovative leap, to the glossy industry has long answer.

Thylmann extended Privatamateure.com a webcam section - within one year he has the purchase price back out. It follows Mydirtyhobby.com, a second amateur site, they too will be a success. Then he decides to enter the United States. It's 2008, and it comes to a market that is in a deep identity crisis.

For not only the videos set to the established business. The much bigger problem is the flood free porn movies that run over the Internet.

More to come...

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 01-25-2013, 01:10 AM

Translation continued from above:

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Thylmann comes back in time
Following the example of Youtube go hundreds of sites online with XXX. Many show licensed films, old material, the operators have bought from production companies. Upload files anonymously but because each can be found there also massive raw materials stolen from mobile devices and DVDs.

The studios are largely powerless against the development. The owner of the so-called Tubesites or short tubes are usually unknown. But once a page is turned off by court order, the next day to make a new one - with the same piracy. Lange was "Porn" an empty promise, were lured by the user. The Tubes sort it out.

DVD sales are plunging, studios go bankrupt Paysites lose customers. At the fairs, really shrill self-portrayal of the porn carnival, meets an insecure, helpless industry. Still on the Adult Expo 2012 in Las Vegas says Michael Klein, chief of the "Hustler" Larry Flynt Publications Group: "We have not even close a business model."

But this is true only for the offliners. For while the lament, the next generation of entrepreneurs porn enters the picture: Onliner as Thylmann. Once again, he arrives just in time.

"The fact that it came to porn, has not deterred us"
Because they have no choice, the first producers arrange grudgingly with Tubesites and turn there advertising their pay deals. You slowly realize that there are still people who pay despite the mass of free porn money for higher resolutions, newer content and longer films. They are found only more difficult than before. And for that it needs just the tubes.

The money stream flowing into the porn industry is still enormous. About $ 14 billion annually. It is distributed only different. One of the new winner is Mansef, a holding company of Pay and Tubesites in Montreal. When the three founders her conglomerate in autumn 2009 for sale set, proposes to Thylmann. The holding company is actually a size too big for him, "but that was exactly what I wanted in America."

He is looking for a bank, and does not finally gets to a New York investment firm that does not want to read their names in the media. Founded by former Goldman bankers, it invests in companies with precarious financial position. "We've looked at what was going Thylmann have tested for three months and have you come to the conclusion that this works," says one partner. "The fact that it came to porn, has not deterred us. Chances of the business model were larger than any reputational risk."

With financing in your pocket Thylmann flies to Montreal in December 2009 to negotiate with the Mansef-owners. It provides the least. "Thylmann what the cheapest fuck," says one who was present at that time. But no one can pay quickly - one third in advance, one third distributed over a year, for the rest of circuit.

Thylmann on a spree
And for Mansef-founder, time is money. They are worn out by process of copyright infringement and money laundering, they want out. One of them is Father, do not want the stress of another Muslim is married, wants - and his fiancee are to understand him that his livelihood is not very pleasing to God. In March 2010 Mansef goes to Thylmann.

"That was the moment when I thought the first time that it can be something big," he says. It's the start of a buying spree, as she has not yet seen the industry.

Its lenders provide him with a full war chest: By 2016 he gets 362 million dollars in installments, $ 200 million of which he has already. Enough for a small empire.

Thylmann renames Mansef in Manwin and sets off. What ends up on the market, in its portfolio, the dry years have made many entrepreneurs willing to sell.

Today, two and a half years later, he has the most respected names of the sex industry. And its sites are large enough to allow ethnological studies.

Even Google is impressed
300 million people call every month 16 billion times Thylmanns on site. The access rates are so high that they allow reliable statements about the sexual preferences of individual countries. Canadians are about to lesbians, German on mature women, big breasts like them all. The data also reveal how liberal societies: Indians remain on average about seven minutes Thylmanns pages, two minutes less than Americans. Its excitation curve is much flatter because a durchsexualisiertes environment it has become accustomed to hard facts.

And if at the beginning of Ramadan abstinence is announced, the Traffic from Islamic countries breaks on the first day by 70 percent. Less orthodox countries like Indonesia are already after two weeks at a normal level. In Egypt, however, the more orthodox user numbers rise much more slowly and explode at the end really fast.

The amount of data is an enormous competitive advantage. "We can see in abnormal short time what works." Which videos are hits that draw banners - for Manwin is research a matter of seconds. "If Thylmann one can," says one who is not particularly weighed him otherwise, "then analyze data streams."

Even Google is now impressed. Interested to know the other side of its core business better, the Group of California exchanged regularly with the Canadians about search engine optimization, online advertising and conversion rates.

Thylmann has - perhaps sooner and more comprehensively than any other in the industry - to understand that size is everything when the business success depends on the range. "About one thousandth visitor draws on paid content," calculates Thylmann. As long as you reach enough customers, no matter what around here. Manwin achieved a mean hundreds of millions in sales that come one half of ad-supported tubes, the other by mobile devices. "He has made smart," says a well-known competitor from Germany. "He bought a lot of traffic and pulled up behind pay deals."

The restless King of Porn
In Thylmanns house the scripts for the films are written, cast the actors, the cut scenes, edited and added since the beginning of 2012 and also produces: With Digital Playground he bought in January, one of the biggest studios in the world. Shooting is primarily in the U.S. and Eastern Europe - and of course that in a big way: The aim is for all of its brands to enough material have stockpiled to the case of HIV and syphilis infection to survive even a half year production stop can. He lacks not much more. For the content, which can not often Manwin itself takes the company back to a number of parties - including pornographic corporations need suppliers.

Meanwhile, the niches are paid out, the flavors served. The speed with which Manwin grows slows down. Two, three acquisitions, there will be this year. "We have to digest," says Thylmann. A sentence to which they have been waiting a long time in Montreal. The expansion took much energy.

Thylmann itself remains restless. Holiday he finds "tough", and the top quarter of the company's food in Montreal when celebrating everything around him, he sits at the table, taciturn, brooding, our thoughts are with the company. Of his staff, he expects prompt responses to emails, ever. "Even when they have just fallen asleep when my email arrived, after eight hours, there are no excuses." Himself rich usually five hours of sleep, then he's back in front of the screen, at home, in the office, in the office, on the road. Or rather, was.

Final part, with GFY mentioned, still to come...

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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 01-25-2013, 01:14 AM

Final part of Stern article translation (including a mention about GFY, lol):

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There have always been rumors

The arrest has come to an end this bustling. For the first time in his life Fabian Thylmann is offline. Maybe even a long while. Prosecutor can not because of a few hundred thousand euros execute an arrest warrant. That the Aachen tax investigators have submitted the case to the experts for business offenses in Cologne suggests also point to a larger dimension. In extreme cases Thylmann to wait ten years in prison

Rumors have always existed. Thylmann is not only the most successful man in the scene, but also the most hated. With its drive towards efficiency he, the outsider, duped many competitors, some ruined. After each acquisition, the suspicion against him was greater: Why create the thing we did not create? Conspiracy theories making the rounds: fraud, money laundering, mafia, tax evasion.

In the archives of the industry forum Gofuckyourself.com can read about how the accused for years as "Nathan" the sore finger taps to counter the hate attacks his competitors. Time objectively, sometimes sarcastic, sometimes bawdy - logs a futile defense. Or a big lie.

Thylmanns company structure is what experts call complicated. Or opaque, depending on your view. Manwin is a network of companies and Subfirmen, and the highest profits emerge where the taxes are lowest: in Luxembourg, Ireland, Cyprus.

He has come up with this structure by the accountants Grant Thornton tinker, tax-optimized, which he admits. In fact, such rampant social forms for IT companies are common. Since the majority of its goodwill is virtual or consists of trademark rights, they can easily be outsourced. Apple is about is so successful that the company abroad in 2011 led away just 1.9 percent tax on its profit.

Optimized control - or illegal?
The question that must now deal with the Cologne Regional Court: Was Thylmanns kingdom really only legally tax-optimized - or more than that? In September, was the "Welt am Sonntag" encountered inconsistencies in Mydirtyhobby.com. Although the official operator of the website is one of Thylmanns Subfirmen in Cyprus, interpret many indications that actually Manwin Germany was responsible for the page. Is that right, the gains would be taxed in this country. After all that can be heard in the context of the investigator, based on exactly this accusation Thylmanns arrest.

"It has neither head nor tail" defended himself Thylmann whenever he was asked about. "Accusations, nothing more", incited from Grant Thornton. "We do not worry about us," said the donor.

Thylmann now officially suspected of tax evasion, Grant Thornton is silent, and the investors want to comment.

What enforce the Porn Tycoon at least as likely as a criminal prosecution, is fear for his reputation. Although it may be a strange sentiment for a Sexunternehmer but Thylmann loves his reputation.

"It's my name"
As a young nerd in school he did not care what other people thought about him, with his business partners, he left no doubts scorched earth. Since no one knew him, as did not matter. But that has changed, now it is exposed, and he does not like. "It's my name," he commented on the hostility against him. And there are moments when he loses patience with the society that uses its services, billions of times, and yet despised him then. Then a train enters Surly on his face, then he works with his hands at head level, and who with his colleagues has, knows that caution is called for, that he is on the verge of being fuchsig.

What Thylmann demands at such times and not get is acceptance. And that will not change anything. No matter how the story ends: whether he has actually evaded taxes and, if so, whether intentionally or because he is too careless, grown too fast - and the theme Thylmann tax evasion belong together now like Siamese twins.

In mid-November, the final phone call before his arrest, he was talking about double standards. Bigoted it is that no one at Apple say something, but it would be subject to tax. And that he had no intention of changing anything. "The structure is not the problem."

Thylmann has in his career, many things right. At the decisive point for his mistake.

Original article in German:
http://www.stern.de/digital/online/y...n-1957023.html

Interesting read and intriguing psychological profile...

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Jel · 01-25-2013, 02:17 AM

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Even Google is now impressed. Interested to know the other side of its core business better, the Group of California exchanged regularly with the Canadians about search engine optimization, online advertising and conversion rates.

Hmmmm...

arock10 · 01-25-2013, 06:31 AM

Google optimizes ranks for manwin, manwin gives analytical feedback in return? I guess they forgot to mention link buying?

Jel · 01-25-2013, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Great post!

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It's actually a (rare) crap post, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Carnegie - knew jack shit about steel, and is pretty much regarded as being behind only Rockefeller with regards to financial wealth.

SKUP · 01-25-2013, 11:11 AM

bye bye bye

Konda · 01-25-2013, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

...finally gets to a New York investment firm that does not want to read their names in the media. Founded by former Goldman bankers, it invests in companies with precarious financial position...

Interesting.

Remember this a few pages back?

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Originally Posted by Konda

CB Agency Services LLC

Hmm CB as in Coldone and Beckman aka ColBeck?

They (Jason Colodne and Jason Beckman) own Colbeck Capital which is a big New York investment fund.

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Are you just guessing CB Agency Services LLC = Colbeck?

http://www.linkedin.com/company/colb...management-llc

"Colbeck was formed by Jason Colodne and Jason Beckman, who previously worked together sourcing and investing in distressed credit at Goldman Sachs."

Here is an example of one of their funds

http://www.efinancialnews.com/story/...credit-funds-1

"Goldman Sachs is the prime broker for the funds while Grant Thornton will serve as the auditor"

Familiar names there.

kyro · 01-25-2013, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kyro

Everyone speaks of where the money came from and points to the wall street hedge fund. But that didn't happen to much later, after Nathan had already created 50m + dollars and several big acquisitions including brazzers and creating manwin. The mystery is not how or who he got the big wall street money from but how he got started in the first year or two and who funded him then. He was partner in nats and got bought out so he got some money from there. It comes down to did he really take 1m and turn it into 5m then into 10m then 50m in just 3 years from buying companies or did he have partners and other peoples money from very begining.

From looking at old threads here everything leads back to $tandaman, Stan Fiskin Envisionext, Virage Media, Sexrevenue and who funded the purchases of iwantu, privateamateur, xtube, mydirtyhobby.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 01-27-2013, 10:40 PM

Translated from Taz.de (brings up Virage Media, which Fabian never seems to want to talk about much):

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Who sees Fabian Thylmann born in Aachen and Brussels went to Internato Nalen German School, married and originally programmer, videos and photos, is amazed. This unassuming young man should operate currently the largest online porn empire? But Thylmann has been in business: the programmer does not start until an affiliate service, ie software that tracks the clicks on links from one to another and paid content.

Thus, a user buys access to a page, a commission is payable to the linked. Thylmann sold the NATS (the N stood Thylmann According to his online nickname Nathan) service called the 2006th Adult and porn website owners, this is the most important currency.

Then Thylmann rose with their own platforms in the online porn market: founded the company Virage Media and operation he platforms like "MyDirtyHobby", and bought the site "private amateurs" on either alleged or real amateurs are facing webcams that are paid for by the users to strip to chat with the user, or playing around with yourself - or offer the finished movies.

120 people were working on details Thylmanns 2009 for Virage Media, which took over not only the websites, but also the complete payment for the participants, including a sophisticated system of participation for the amateurs, and made responsible for it's own company. Also hereby Thylmann was apparently financially successful. At the same time parts of the porn industry came through emerging large porn video sites like Youporn stumble on the parts or entire films were suddenly made available for free.

But how out of Thylmann Online Porn Czar could be that he is now allegedly remains a mystery. He is said to have borrowed money from investors - 362 million U.S. dollars (276 million euros), media reported - and have purchased the site in 2011 Youporn, Pornhub, Brazzers, and a number of other online porn sites. From Virage Media was Manwin, a company official in Luxembourg sitting and experience in the operation of "high-load websites" writes the site.

It specifies even has its own "corporate social responsibility" strategy: for example, one wants to have participated in an anti-AIDS Kampage in New York. Is proudly announced that they would work together in the online segment with the father of pornography, the playboy. Parts of the company are located in Cyprus, others in other corners of the world - and this probably set the tax evasion allegations: reporter in the daily Die Welt wrote that at Manwin may not tax zugehe everything above board.

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xXXtesy10 · 01-27-2013, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kyro

^^^^^^^^^

xXXtesy10 · 01-27-2013, 11:04 PM

1350 fugitives from Interpol and tax evading, money laundering CEOs.

lagcam · 01-28-2013, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kyro

Quoting and agreeing with yourself Kyro? First sign of madness or self ownage from somebody using multiple nicks?

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 02-21-2013, 03:52 AM

More trouble brewing in Manwin-land?

From the Wall Street Journal today:

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Already Manwin has tried to renegotiate the $14 million it promised to pay Playboy annually because the digital and TV content isn't generating enough revenue, according to people familiar with the matter.

A Manwin spokeswoman declined to comment. Playboy said that, while such discussions were initiated, it refused to accommodate a reduction of its minimum guarantees.

Any update on this story?

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German bank Commerzbank has got hot under the collar and is planning to terminate a business contract with internet porn mogul Fabian Thylmann following his arrest on suspicion of tax evasion, according to Welt am Sonntag.

Customers of German amateur pornography portal MyDirtyHobby, one of Thylmann's various sex portals, have for some time paid fees into an account held with the Hamburg branch of Commerzbank, according to the report.

The state prosecutor in Cologne is currently looking into who actually runs the amateur porn site. Thylmann claims a Cypriot subsidiary is responsible, but evidence has emerged suggesting Hamburg company Manwin Germany is behind it.

Former workers told the paper that Commerzbank employees had in the past made frequent visits to the Manwin headquarters.

Now the investigation into Thylmann's alleged dodgy dealings has prompted a few red faces at Commerzbank, which is keen to cut off all business relations with him as soon as possible in an attempt to save the bank from reputation damage, said the paper, citing sources in the business world.

Rules state that banks are allowed to terminate contracts without notice for “reasons of reputation.” According to the report, the account could be closed as soon as Monday.

Originally from Aachen in western Germany, Thylmann built up a pornography empire in just a few years through the holding company Manwin Holding SARL.

Not much Manwin/Thylmann news from the adult press of late. Wonder what the AVN and X-Biz reporters are up to, if they are too busy to give an update on what's happening Manwin-wise?

How long can Fabian's house arrest continue (this is like extreme "grounded" already)?

At what point does Fabian aka Nathan (GFY's most famous lurker) officially become a recluse?

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DWB · 02-21-2013, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Wonder what the AVN and X-Biz reporters are up to, if they are too busy to give an update on what's happening Manwin-wise?

Fabian has them cleaning his cars, mowing the lawn, and doing the grocery shopping. No time for reporting right now.

slapass · 02-21-2013, 05:20 AM

I realize they are big and this bank is probably one of many but it sucks that banks can do this.

Ringo · 02-21-2013, 05:30 AM

xXXtesy10 · 02-21-2013, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by HushMoney

Can you shower with that on?

Yes

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 02-21-2013, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by HushMoney

Can you shower with that on?

I think you have to take your trousers, socks, and shoes off, although maybe that's how Nathan (Thylmann) showered during his couples of weeks in the Belgium jail.

Have to ask Fabian regarding which specific form of criminal gps bracelet he is sporting, but it appears that some models are waterproof:

Anybody know anything more about this story excerpted below? vvvvv

Quote:

More trouble brewing in Manwin-land?

From the Wall Street Journal today:

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Already Manwin has tried to renegotiate the $14 million it promised to pay Playboy annually because the digital and TV content isn't generating enough revenue, according to people familiar with the matter.

A Manwin spokeswoman declined to comment. Playboy said that, while such discussions were initiated, it refused to accommodate a reduction of its minimum guarantees.

AVN? X-Biz? Mike South? Bueller? Bueller? Beller?

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2013 · 02-21-2013, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by HushMoney

Can you shower with that on?

wore won for 3 months

epitome · 02-21-2013, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Anybody know anything more about this story excerpted below?

Quote:

More trouble brewing in Manwin-land?

From the Wall Street Journal today:

Quote:
Already Manwin has tried to renegotiate the $14 million it promised to pay Playboy annually because the digital and TV content isn't generating enough revenue, according to people familiar with the matter.

A Manwin spokeswoman declined to comment. Playboy said that, while such discussions were initiated, it refused to accommodate a reduction of its minimum guarantees.

AVN? X-Biz? Mike South? Bueller? Bueller? Beller?

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That's interesting. Got a link? I tried "Wall Street Journal Manwin" in Google and just got a story about the XXX lawsuit.

If true, just like cars, I guess some people overspend for a status symbol.

notinmybackyard · 02-22-2013, 08:23 AM

I read or heard some place that one of their film studios was robbed in Florida. (I do not remember which one)

Just to say that it was not unknow that when someone was expecting that a search warrent was going to be issued or some other police raid was going to occur that it would be arranged to have the place "robbed" before any thing could be found.

It would get rid of evidence and because the police technically search the place because of the robbery, the police would find it difficult to justify to the courts the need for a search warrant or raid.

I do not know if this is the case here. But things like this have been done before.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 02-22-2013, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

I read or heard some place that one of their film studios was robbed in Florida. (I do not remember which one)

Just to say that it was not unknow that when someone was expecting that a search warrent was going to be issued or some other police raid was going to occur that it would be arranged to have the place "robbed" before any thing could be found.

It would get rid of evidence and because the police technically search the place because of the robbery, the police would find it difficult to justify to the courts the need for a search warrant or raid.

I do not know if this is the case here. But things like this have been done before.

Saw this on LIB:

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Bang Bros Robbed?
FEBRUARY 12, 2013, 2:46 PM

NL-Reader emails me this- Just a rumor for now? I?d like to hear from Bang Bros and anyone that was around.

Yesterday, went to Venetian office (Bang Bros) and the whole compound was on lock down. There were numerous Miami-Dade cop cars, detective vehicles and a big crime scene truck. They were robbed on Sunday by a team of professionals taking all the camera equipment and their computers. I was told by one of the employees that the cops were saying it was a professional job and it was like something out of a movie.

AVN? X-Biz? Got anything on this, or too busy counting ad revenue?

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notinmybackyard Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 3,230	I read or heard some place that one of their film studios was robbed in Florida. (I do not remember which one) Just to say that it was not unknow that when someone was expecting that a search warrent was going to be issued or some other police raid was going to occur that it would be arranged to have the place "robbed" before any thing could be found. It would get rid of evidence and because the police technically search the place because of the robbery, the police would find it difficult to justify to the courts the need for a search warrant or raid. I do not know if this is the case here. But things like this have been done before.