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adultmobile · 12-20-2012, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

You're leaving out the most important thing:
Gates and Zuckerberg were actually talented individuals who CREATED something that made their companies giants.

The example was strictly for company shareholding scope, of course it fails to match for other scopes, could anyone find a fully matching example, that'll be brillian. Fabian made NATS, seen money is elsewhere so sold it to buy something else with more future, and so on asking banks to help. Zuckerberg too got $500 million funding or so, I mean the kid would be nowhere without banks help too, as in "the network" movie, which is decent in expose that part. Of course "pornographers" will always see him as alien, not one of them, still this matters absolutely nothing on financial and legal standpoints.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 12-20-2012, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Konda

CB Agency Services LLC

Hmm CB as in Coldone and Beckman aka ColBeck?

They (Jason Colodne and Jason Beckman) own Colbeck Capital which is a big New York investment fund.

Are you just guessing CB Agency Services LLC = Colbeck?

If so, then CB could stand for anything...call back, charge back, corner back, Charlie Brown.

If you are right, please site a source showing the actual connection, otherwise you are creating yet another rabbit hole (and their are enough of those related to Manwin already)...

ADG

Robbie · 12-20-2012, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by adultmobile

The example was strictly for company shareholding scope, of course it fails to match for other scopes

Yeah, I know. I'm just pointing out that Fabian is just a front guy.

He isn't in the same league as guys who build stuff from the ground up.

In our biz I have a lot of respect for guys who started a company and build it into something through hard work, taking risks, missing holidays, working weekends, etc.

No respect for a guy like Fabian who obviously has real money guys backing the thing while he pretends to "own" it. And on top of that...as we all know...the company makes a lot of money off of copyright infringement (the work of others).

I have NO admiration for Fabian. The only thing he did that was impressive was that he managed to somehow convince some people to make HIM the frontman for the company.

Of all the people in the industry, they picked a guy who never ran a successful porn site.

So yeah, that took some skills in being a weasel to convince them to choose him for the job.

GrantMercury · 12-20-2012, 12:15 PM

Be honest. Pay your fucking taxes. You'll still be rich and you'll have the ultimate luxury - living without the stress of being found out, fined, jailed, and humiliated.

Robbie · 12-20-2012, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantMercury

Be honest. Pay your fucking taxes. You'll still be rich and you'll have the ultimate luxury - living without the stress of being found out, fined, jailed, and humiliated.

My thought is this: History shows that when a govt. targets you...they start looking for ANYTHING to make the initial arrest and be able to investigate further.

I think that the authorities are using this tax problem to delve a little deeper and look for what they are really wanting to get to.

Fabian ran around painting a giant bullseye on himself and his company. And he did it while running giant tube/piracy sites that made him even more enemies.

Doesn't matter if it's your local town govt. or your federal govt., once you get on their radar and they decide to take you down...they will find SOMETHING to get you.

That is my prediction on this. Time will tell. But I just don't believe that they are holding the guy who is the frontman for the biggest company in porn without having far more intentions than just a smack on the wrist for his "personal" taxes.

Remember...in the U.S. the mobster Al Capone was responsible for murders, stealing, bootlegging etc. (which was actually the fault of the U.S. govt. for enacting alcohol prohibition).
But they were never able to catch him and prove what he was doing...until they nailed him on tax evasion.

ilnjscb · 12-20-2012, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by adultmobile

It ended for Cyprus and Delaware too?
Unsure how Die Welt journalists got the shareholders of a Cyprus company, but you don't get it with google. Then this brings to Delaware, again no owners findable with google. A Delaware LLC allows the members ( = owners) and managers to remain anonymous.
Delaware govt asks $10 fees for more info on its companies, but I suppose it does NOT include the members ( = owners) names?

http://corp.delaware.gov/directweb.shtml
https://delecorp.delaware.gov/tin/GINameSearch.jsp

"Tax Justice Network, an independent organization, deemed Delaware the most secretive financial jurisdiction in the world. About 2 million corporations and limited liability companies are formed in the United States each year without states asking for the identities of the owners."

Further, even Fabian does not know the list of the porn fund shareholders, if these are hundreds of different people, customers of 12+ financial institutions, as it is most probable. At least Fabian does not know the full and most updated list, especially from jail. He may know the financial institution **** who manage the loan credit, like the newspaper and even wikipedia.de now knows, and perhaps some initial and main clients of such institution as an extra, but that's well enough.

Anyway if that's only direct deals (no packaged and re-sold and re-packaged and so on) to buy the "porn fund"... then the investors (bank customers) must have been invited to browse Youporn and Brazzers, before to decide if to invest or not in it.... so in case they're exposed one day, they can't even claim they did not knew they invested in porn loans / equity. Which it may be legal, but, you know, not good if you're a republican senator or a minister of a church.

Delaware is optimized for ownership, however, I have a corp there, and I can assure you that the secretary of state has on file all 10% shareholders, as is required.

The fact that you can't google complete list of shareholders of a non-public company makes sense, but the statement above that you can form a corporation without the identities of the owners being known is untrue.

Ask yourself, how did they count the unknown owners? SELECT * FROM USBUSINESSES WHERE OWNERNAME = <UNKNOWN> and YEARFOUNDED IS '2012'? Goodness gracious, only 3.5m businesses are founded per year in the US, including sole prop where they use the person's SS as the EIN and someone is claiming that over half of them are anonymous? Ludicrous.

That statistic is inflated for some purpose, probably to sell business creation sites.

What you may be referring to is the fact that capital comes to hedge funds from many sources, and some could include the Teacher's Union, et al. We shall see.

L-Pink · 12-20-2012, 03:29 PM

Most states have a website where corporations and corp officers information is publicly available.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 12-20-2012, 03:31 PM

The German publication Spiegel indicated in an article today that Fabian was arrested at his house in Belgium (as opposed to the airport as was previously reported), and that the amount of money that he is suspected of tax evasion on totals in the double digit millions:

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On Dec. 4, something happened that surprised even the strategy-minded Thylmann:

He was arrested at his estate on a hill in the posh Brussels suburb of Tervuren. Between 7 and 8 a.m., Belgian police officers and German tax investigators, about 100 officers in total, drove through the concealed entrance and past a collection of expensive sports cars, and presented Thylmann with a warrant for his arrest.

In his house, as well as in Manwin's Hamburg offices, IT specialists secured several terabytes of data.

Thylmann spent several days in a Belgian prison until last Thursday, when he was taken to Germany, where he is now awaiting indictment. He is suspected of tax evasion amounting to a sum in the double-digit millions.

Fabian and Co. should be able to sustain multimillion dollar fine if it comes to that, but what will likely have a greater longterm impact is whether additional more serious charges are filed, and if additional investigations are now mounted since the Manwin veil of secrecy is finally being stripped away, and how this will impact the investors.

ADG

signupdamnit · 12-20-2012, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Spiegel

On Dec. 4, something happened that surprised even the strategy-minded Thylmann:

He was arrested at his estate on a hill in the posh Brussels suburb of Tervuren. Between 7 and 8 a.m., Belgian police officers and German tax investigators, about 100 officers in total, drove through the concealed entrance and past a collection of expensive sports cars, and presented Thylmann with a warrant for his arrest.

In his house, as well as in Manwin's Hamburg offices, IT specialists secured several terabytes of data.

Thylmann spent several days in a Belgian prison until last Thursday, when he was taken to Germany, where he is now awaiting indictment. He is suspected of tax evasion amounting to a sum in the double-digit millions.

I bet he pissed his pants when those 100 officers came to his home to get him thinking he was going down Kim Dotcom style and that pornhub.com had a nice new "Seized by the DoJ" notice on it even as they were taking him in. I guess it's still possible it might end up going down like that eventually depending on how clean he really is.

DWB · 12-20-2012, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

My thought is this: History shows that when a govt. targets you...they start looking for ANYTHING to make the initial arrest and be able to investigate further.

I think that the authorities are using this tax problem to delve a little deeper and look for what they are really wanting to get to.

Fabian ran around painting a giant bullseye on himself and his company. And he did it while running giant tube/piracy sites that made him even more enemies.

Doesn't matter if it's your local town govt. or your federal govt., once you get on their radar and they decide to take you down...they will find SOMETHING to get you.

That is my prediction on this. Time will tell. But I just don't believe that they are holding the guy who is the frontman for the biggest company in porn without having far more intentions than just a smack on the wrist for his "personal" taxes.

Remember...in the U.S. the mobster Al Capone was responsible for murders, stealing, bootlegging etc. (which was actually the fault of the U.S. govt. for enacting alcohol prohibition).
But they were never able to catch him and prove what he was doing...until they nailed him on tax evasion.

Everyone quickly forgets that Mansef was nailed for money laundering in the USA. The only thing that changed was their name and the front man. Everyone from Mansef, including the president of the company, is still working there. The US gov is not as stupid as the Manwin cheerleaders are and has probably had an eye on them this whole time. Now the Germans found a crack in the foundation, it very well may turn into a hunting expedition for a few countries.

Like you said, once the Gov has a hard-on for you they will nail you to the cross eventually if they really want you.

Time will tell. At the very least, Fabian got a long overdue reality check.

signupdamnit · 12-20-2012, 04:42 PM

If 100 officers came to arrest Fabian at his home as claimed by Spiegel then that is more officers than were involved in the operation to arrest Kim Dotcom.

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According to Dotcom, about 80 police officers were involved in the operation;[47] the New Zealand police claimed it was between 20 and 30.[48]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Dotcom

Interesting little factoid there. This was no minor "routine" arrest. This was a major operation.

DWB · 12-20-2012, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

I bet he pissed his pants when those 100 officers came to his home to get him thinking he was going down Kim Dotcom style and that pornhub.com had a nice new "Seized by the DoJ" notice on it even as they were taking him in. I guess it's still possible it might end up going down like that eventually depending on how clean he really is.

I doubt it is a matter of how clean he is. More like how clever his accountants and tax advisers really are and if they can find what they are looking for.

mikesouth · 12-20-2012, 05:34 PM

From what I am reading this is NOT a simple case of paying off the back taxes...most US sources are misinterpreting the charge as tax evasion...it isnt it is tax fraud and thats a much stronger charge im Deutschland.

I expect Fabian is going to be a ward of the German penal system for the foreseeable future.

Id bet money that this isnt the end of it either.....I wouldnt want to be Feras Antoon aka Mark Antoon right now

Dirty Dane · 12-20-2012, 05:42 PM

mikesouth · 12-20-2012, 05:46 PM

1151

I got mp with greed....theft i got a problem with

omgt · 12-20-2012, 06:10 PM

"about 100 officers in total"

that tells me its a lot bigger and a lot more serious than it was when it first broke.

about 10-20 would be the norm, and thats mostly to carry anything away etc,
(thats not 100 working on the case, just 100 involved in the raid)

but all the costs involved in a raid have to justified (sort of and allegedly)
but there wouldnt be 100 on the raid unless it was slightly big and slightly serious, because it all has to be paid for.

when it first broke it sounded like 5 officials - police + tax inspectors (whatever)
turned up and executed a warrant to take him + some evidence back to Germany.

but 100 - thats quite a big raid, bearing in mind they would have been there searching every nook and cranny of that big estate etc.

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

The German publication Spiegel indicated in an article today that Fabian was arrested at his house in Belgium (as opposed to the airport as was previously reported), and that the amount of money that he is suspected of tax evasion on totals in the double digit millions:

Fabian and Co. should be able to sustain multimillion dollar fine if it comes to that, but what will likely have a greater longterm impact is whether additional more serious charges are filed, and if additional investigations are now mounted since the Manwin veil of secrecy is finally being stripped away, and how this will impact the investors.

ADG

omgt · 12-20-2012, 06:17 PM

2 of the major concerns in the eu at the moment are :-
online porn + tax evasion

especially tax evasion with multi national large companies and especially because of the economic situation,
so he might not be on the christmas card list of most juries.

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Originally Posted by DWB

Everyone quickly forgets that Mansef was nailed for money laundering in the USA. The only thing that changed was their name and the front man. Everyone from Mansef, including the president of the company, is still working there. The US gov is not as stupid as the Manwin cheerleaders are and has probably had an eye on them this whole time. Now the Germans found a crack in the foundation, it very well may turn into a hunting expedition for a few countries.

Like you said, once the Gov has a hard-on for you they will nail you to the cross eventually if they really want you.

Time will tell. At the very least, Fabian got a long overdue reality check.

Robbie · 12-20-2012, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Everyone quickly forgets that Mansef was nailed for money laundering in the USA.

In all fairness, that "money laundering" was nothing more than Mansef paying it's Jug Cash affiliates in the U.S.
It was a total bullshit charge...but probably one that was brought on to sniff out some other things.

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Originally Posted by omgt

"about 100 officers in total"

that tells me its a lot bigger and a lot more serious than it was when it first broke.

about 10-20 would be the norm, and thats mostly to carry anything away etc,
(thats not 100 working on the case, just 100 involved in the raid)

Don't want to sound "pro-Fabian", but cops are the same world-wide. Here in Vegas it seems to take about 3 police cars with guns drawn to give a soccer mom in a mini-van a ticket!

My guess is that when it went down...every officer on the force there wanted to be a part of it so they could see the porn guy's cars and house. Cops are just that way.
They have the ability to go into your house and practically rape your privacy...and they love doing it.

Having said that...it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

omgt · 12-20-2012, 06:47 PM

maybe the size of the grounds/estate had an effect - there might have been outbuildings

adultmobile · 12-20-2012, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

Delaware is optimized for ownership, however, I have a corp there, and I can assure you that the secretary of state has on file all 10% shareholders, as is required.

The statement above that you can form a corporation without the identities of the owners being known is untrue.

A Delaware LLC allows the members and managers to remain really anonymous, simply because they're not in the coropration files at all. Delaware law does not require director or owners or any officer names listed in the Articles of Organization when you open the company and its file. There's only a local "registering agent" which if it is a nominee director too, you got a Trust the way of offshore islands, just within USA. By naming a local Delaware attorney as the registered agent + nominee director, he is the only one who knows the LLC owners name, the State knows him only, he could really operate in behalf of Bin Laden's successor and no one knows. So the owner can remove (never specify) all reference to his name in every LLC document, lifetime. All what IRS or secretary of state can see, it is what anyone can see paying $20 there:

http://corp.delaware.gov/directweb.shtml
https://delecorp.delaware.gov/tin/GINameSearch.jsp

Even Delaware Government does not know more, they tell all they know, so they're hiding nothing, after all. The $20 worth data above may show as extra the tax filing... Delaware got no tax... but may show the money flows somewhat. OK not the owner, as this is not in file, bt you may get to know the trust agent (= accountant) who opened and operates the LLC in owner's behalf.

With google I've found a free service which shows who is the registering agents of any Wilmington LLC's. So I know would who opened *****. They got a nice site, with email and phone number, but surely not telling to journalists who their customer is, much like the canadian accountant, and the Chicago ******. It is part of their job not to tell anything, except perhaps to police/FBI or equivalent officials sent by a Judge order, either alone or in groups of 100 with automatic guns.

Konda · 12-20-2012, 07:20 PM

The tax case is not about the source of the funds. I am sure that the $362 million investment did come from one or more investment groups from the US as Fabian claims, and the Die Welt investigation also confirmed this.

The tax issue is about the fact that Fabian had a company in Germany generating millions of dollars, and all managers were driving expensive cars and getting huge bonuses, while on paper the German company made a small loss each year.
What they did was sending invoices from Cyprus to the Germany company, pretending all the operations were done in Cyprus, so all the money went there.
When Die Welt visited the Cyprus office, they were told all they do there is video encoding, and don't do any operations for the German office.

It is a quite common structure, but if it's that obvious you have a problem. Now it's up to Fabian to come up with proof to justify sending these millions to Cyprus, while the company in Germany didn't make any profit. If he can't proof that, he might be in jail for a lot longer than people would think.

In addition the while they are investigating all of this they can easily run into other irregularities, if there are any.

adultmobile · 12-20-2012, 08:40 PM

The article about the 100 cops raid at home:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-873802.html

They mostly talk of anal fisting and masturbating guys really.
Then page 2, some history with details on Mansef purchase, but agan the most extensive text it is irony on porn "Suddenly a green liquid shoots out of a black woman's anus":

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-873802-2.html

They interview a porn guy in San Fernando Valley, and the fact he "burp" appears as one of the most relevant information to report. It calls the porn industry as brutal, and left with just unconditional aggression, as a mission. Tells of german Cam Girl of mydirtyhobby, who orders customers to howl like a wolf

It ends with a clear morale: they try to get Fabian for tax evasion, too cute for who makes money off orgasms.

Photo gallery, nothing useful, the famous Las Vegas photos of him:
http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/ph...cke-91175.html

But, in this german article, we learn more about such photo:
http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/spiege...-a-874058.html

It starts saying that whoever wants to remove sex videos uploaded without their consent by some ex-partner, should contact Fabian's company.
And that they was asked to remove the Fabian photo from the expo, and to pay euro 100,000 in damages. I see at bottom of image there's an AVN mark, I suppose it is took by AVN and permission is from AVN? The Fabian's lawyer say the newspaper did not got permission to disseminate his image in Germany (foreign country, outside USA), and there s scan of a bill of $100,000 damage or so.

A blogger-laywer wrote in technical detail if that's right to publish the internet expo image or not:

http://socialmediarecht.wordpress.co...ochst-aktuell/

Not easy to understand, he seems pro-newspaper. The other newspaper won the case, so to sue all the newspapers it will may not reduce the press news. Journalists attitude may even revenge into associate the case with anal fisting and burps, not just Tax.

wasteland · 12-20-2012, 09:35 PM

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Photo gallery, nothing useful, the famous Las Vegas photos of him:
http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/ph...cke-91175.html

Hey!
Look at the handsome fellow in the fourth photo of the gallery!!!!

Lol
Colin

adultmobile · 12-20-2012, 09:42 PM

Fabian's face made it to the cover of a finance-focused magazine:
http://www.capital.de/div/100048836.html

It seems a different photo, perhaps retouched or even painted from scratch by a designer.

Google finds lots of stuff on all media's, radio too (german audio...):
http://www.br.de/on3/themen/netz/der...smann-100.html

This seems very hot, but in German press only. Elsewhere, its skipped as a foreign guy only it is involved: no local citizens to make gossip on (yet).
But the Cyprus Tax issue schema it was ideated, or at least known and agreed, by those USA entities who are (in fact) members of the Cyprus company itself. Otherwise, they loaned $362 million to someone without talk his Canadian accountant, or figure they was listed in a Cyprus rather than German company... it's still Europe... Germany, Cyprus... we can confuse... not teached in schools here... are North Americans required to know this exotic foreign geography stuff?

SKUP · 12-21-2012, 01:24 AM

I wouldn't mind getting the official story. One source tells he was arrested at the airport, another one claims his house was raided by more then 100 police officers.

If you look at that house you must assume 90 of the 100 officers had to waite outside because of the lack of space. Come to think of it: Tervuren (where his house is) is not too big (20.000 residents), very well possible they even had to waite outside that village.

JFK · 12-21-2012, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by wasteland

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Photo gallery, nothing useful, the famous Las Vegas photos of him:
http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/ph...cke-91175.html

Hey!
Look at the handsome fellow in the fourth photo of the gallery!!!!

Lol
Colin

I see that

buzzard · 12-21-2012, 01:39 AM

Poop..! had to get my

in this thread

DWB · 12-21-2012, 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SKUP

I wouldn't mind getting the official story. One source tells he was arrested at the airport, another one claims his house was raided by more then 100 police officers.

If you look at that house you must assume 90 of the 100 officers had to waite outside because of the lack of space. Come to think of it: Tervuren (where his house is) is not too big (20.000 residents), very well possible they even had to waite outside that village.

It's possible both happened. Arrested at the airport and taken to his house. Or arrested at the airport while the police raided his house.

It is also possible, being the baller he is, he has an airport at his house.

SKUP · 12-21-2012, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

It's possible both happened. Arrested at the airport and taken to his house. Or arrested at the airport while the police raided his house.

It is also possible, being the baller he is, he has an airport at his house.

v4 media · 12-21-2012, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Konda

The tax issue is about the fact that Fabian had a company in Germany generating millions of dollars, and all managers were driving expensive cars and getting huge bonuses, while on paper the German company made a small loss each year. .

Which is what google, starbucks, amazon, apple all do...

In the UK Starbucks invoice their profits as a service charge to a Swiss co, thus paying no tax. People don't like it but it's perfectly legal.

Most US co's put everything though Ireland because there's only 12% corp tax.

ilnjscb · 12-21-2012, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by adultmobile

A Delaware LLC allows the members and managers to remain really anonymous, simply because they're not in the coropration files at all. Delaware law does not require director or owners or any officer names listed in the Articles of Organization when you open the company and its file. There's only a local "registering agent" which if it is a nominee director too, you got a Trust the way of offshore islands, just within USA. By naming a local Delaware attorney as the registered agent + nominee director, he is the only one who knows the LLC owners name, the State knows him only, he could really operate in behalf of Bin Laden's successor and no one knows. So the owner can remove (never specify) all reference to his name in every LLC document, lifetime. All what IRS or secretary of state can see, it is what anyone can see paying $20 there:

http://corp.delaware.gov/directweb.shtml
https://delecorp.delaware.gov/tin/GINameSearch.jsp

Even Delaware Government does not know more, they tell all they know, so they're hiding nothing, after all. The $20 worth data above may show as extra the tax filing... Delaware got no tax... but may show the money flows somewhat. OK not the owner, as this is not in file, bt you may get to know the trust agent (= accountant) who opened and operates the LLC in owner's behalf.

With google I've found a free service which shows who is the registering agents of any Wilmington LLC's. So I know would who opened *****. They got a nice site, with email and phone number, but surely not telling to journalists who their customer is, much like the canadian accountant, and the Chicago ******. It is part of their job not to tell anything, except perhaps to police/FBI or equivalent officials sent by a Judge order, either alone or in groups of 100 with automatic guns.

You are a very smart person, and I love your stories about the world of camming, so I hate to have a different opinion from you, but the registered agent has to surrender ALL documents to the IRS or secretary of state, and will do so immediately if requested. As I agreed, it is not made public on the net, as some states do, but it is not "hidden". If you want, call any registered agent that has been around for more than 10 years and ask. I say this because I don't want anyone to imagine that their Delaware corp is hidden and secret from the IRS. We can disagree, perhaps you have a different experience.

adultmobile · 12-21-2012, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by SKUP

I wouldn't mind getting the official story. One source tells he was arrested at the airport, another one claims his house was raided by more then 100 police officers.
If you look at that house you must assume 90 of the 100 officers had to waite outside because of the lack of space.

Yes I agree 100 cops it may be the total involved in the operation of Fabian arrest + raids around various places. Most detailed article includes home photo:

http://www.nieuwsblad.be/article/det...21211_00399443

"Last week, the German porn king was arrested in Tervuren on the basis of a European extradition warrant. Neighbors in Kraainem fall from the sky after arrest of multimillionaire Fabian Thylmann (34). "Our neighbor a porn king? Really?"

This is Tervuren: (Fabian's arrest place, not stated why he was there)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tervuren

This is Kraainem: (home, only wife and daughters there at arrest time?)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraainem

[Photo] The Thylmann's home in Kraainem. Not exactly what you would expect from a wealthy porn king. In Kraainem, where the mighty king porn multimillionaire and lives in a modest house, there is big surprise. Timid, unobtrusive, so described by neighbors from Jules Adantstraat in Kraainem. "We rarely see him here. Occasionally we cross his wife and their two children, along with their dogs." "Nobody here knew what he did for a living." Nothing suggests that the family is swimming in money.

I checked with google maps -> streetview the home indicated by nieuwsblad.be (Jules Adantstraat 134 - 1950 Kraainem)... its small, unlike some German newspaper implied. Considering Fabian was arrested in Tervuren and not in Kraainem, he was not at home at the moment. So 100 cops with guns inside the Kraainem home where they know only wife and 2 daughters attends, would be a questionable abuse of human rights - from the cops, also to be investigated. And some German magazine may write false and misleading information, if wrote about luxury cars seen by 100 cops and implied a big home, where is that?

adultmobile · 12-21-2012, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

the registered agent has to surrender ALL documents to the IRS or secretary of state, and will do so immediately if requested.

I did said the agents and accountants will tell this only to officers and cops. I do not see different opinions there, simply as a fact, no one journalist or creditor or anyone except IRS or FBI etc. can really get this info. If the LLC is owned by republican senators, probably no officials will care to ask.

adultmobile · 12-21-2012, 07:01 AM

Fabian Thylmann RELEASED from jail:
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschla...entlassen.html

"Mr Thylmann has deposited a security deposit in the double-digit million range and committed itself to strict registration requirements."
Thylmann must remain until the trial in Belgium.

SKUP · 12-21-2012, 07:03 AM

you are a few minutes late

Konda · 12-21-2012, 07:15 AM

Now he has 24 pages of reading to do on GFY

Herrmann · 12-21-2012, 07:41 AM

Welt further reports that Fabian had to turn in his passport. He can return to Belgium and stay in his house until trial. He also agreed to strict registration restrictions, the paper does not give more details. Typically that means he has to report to a local police office daily in person or is restricted by a an electronic tag to a certain area, but that´s just my speculation here.

In it´s next printed edition Der Spiegel also reports that due to the last sentences of one of our highest courts (Bundesgerichtshof, BGH) the usual penalty for tax evasion of more than one million Euros is jail without parole. So, if Fabian is found guilty, he might face several years behind bars, Spiegel says. According to unnamed sources within the investigators there is the suspicion of taxes in excess of 10 million Euros having been evaded. Several terabytes of "evidence" - I guess it´s a lot of movies as well ;) - were confiscated in the raids.

Mind you that this story of Spiegel is not on their website yet, it´s a heads up of an upcoming report I just got from a friend.

MaDalton · 12-21-2012, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth

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I got mp with greed....theft i got a problem with

just to clarify - what are card banging, hidden x-sells or deceptive mobile sales for you?

DWB · 12-21-2012, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Herrmann

Welt further reports that Fabian had to turn in his passport. He can return to Belgium and stay in his house until trial. He also agreed to strict registration restrictions, the paper does not give more details. Typically that means he has to report to a local police office daily in person or is restricted by a an electronic tag to a certain area, but that´s just my speculation here.

In it´s next printed edition Der Spiegel also reports that due to the last sentences of one of our highest courts (Bundesgerichtshof, BGH) the usual penalty for tax evasion of more than one million Euros is jail without parole. So, if Fabian is found guilty, he might face several years behind bars, Spiegel says. According to unnamed sources within the investigators there is the suspicion of taxes in excess of 10 million Euros having been evaded. Several terabytes of "evidence" - I guess it´s a lot of movies as well ;) - were confiscated in the raids.

Mind you that this story of Spiegel is not on their website yet, it´s a heads up of an upcoming report I just got from a friend.

House arrest is what it sounds like.

If he is found guilty he will due hard time with no chance of parole?

Anyone want to get a betting pool going?

Herrmann · 12-21-2012, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

If he is found guilty he will due hard time with no chance of parole?

If he is charged the way Spiegel predicts, he will have to do some time. Normally, as a first time offender you get parole for the whole time except for capital offenses. We don´t know his record, do we? However, if he was evading more than 1 mill, it´s jail time.

So, my best guess, let´s say, he gets five years. He will then maybe do two, and if he behaves will, three more will be put on parole for another five years (parole is always longer here than the time to do).

Anyway, we don´t know how the trial goes, and if he will appeal etc. This can go on for years.

signupdamnit · 12-21-2012, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Herrmann

If he is charged the way Spiegel predicts, he will have to do some time. Normally, as a first time offender you get parole for the whole time except for capital offenses. We don´t know his record, do we? However, if he was evading more than 1 mill, it´s jail time.

So, my best guess, let´s say, he gets five years. He will then maybe do two, and if he behaves will, three more will be put on parole for another five years (parole is always longer here than the time to do).

Anyway, we don´t know how the trial goes, and if he will appeal etc. This can go on for years.

Gozarian · 12-21-2012, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by adultmobile

I did said the agents and accountants will tell this only to officers and cops. I do not see different opinions there, simply as a fact, no one journalist or creditor or anyone except IRS or FBI etc. can really get this info. If the LLC is owned by republican senators, probably no officials will care to ask.

Lest you forget who the biggest scumk in Delaware is; none other than Dem. Joe Biden LOL.

I have had personal dealings with him and I know for a FACT his true nature.

mikesouth · 12-21-2012, 11:24 AM

It seems to me that the German Press has a hard on for Fabian. I expect they will get him too, everyone knows theres a lot of shady shit with Fabian and Manwin, I doubt all these "gut feelings" are wrong.

I for one will admit that I am disappointed, I'd have liked to have seen the fat little thief in jail for the foreseeable future.

DWB · 12-21-2012, 12:07 PM

Latest pic from Fabian's blog

Robbie · 12-21-2012, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Latest pic from Fabian's blog

That's a FAKE pic!!!

I can tell because the leg isn't fat enough and he's wearing socks.

Tom_PM · 12-21-2012, 12:15 PM

Always pay your taxes.

Robbie · 12-21-2012, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Always pay your taxes.

Should be "Always pay your taxes, if you are going to be a front man for a company and then strut around drawing attention to yourself and making enemies while laughing at people as you steal their content"

Jel · 12-21-2012, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Always pay your taxes.

Exactly. Those guys drive all day and night, in shitty traffic sometimes, pick up drunks etc - they do a damn fine job and don't deserve to get knocked

JFK · 12-21-2012, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jel

Exactly. Those guys drive all day and night, in shitty traffic sometimes, pick up drunks etc - they do a damn fine job and don't deserve to get knocked

OY............

braylove · 12-21-2012, 01:58 PM

Don't drop the soap!

12-20-2012, 12:15 PM	#1104
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12-20-2012, 05:34 PM	#1113
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,346	From what I am reading this is NOT a simple case of paying off the back taxes...most US sources are misinterpreting the charge as tax evasion...it isnt it is tax fraud and thats a much stronger charge im Deutschland. I expect Fabian is going to be a ward of the German penal system for the foreseeable future. Id bet money that this isnt the end of it either.....I wouldnt want to be Feras Antoon aka Mark Antoon right now __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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12-20-2012, 08:40 PM	#1122
adultmobile No, I am not banned Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: ChatGF.com Posts: 5,345	The article about the 100 cops raid at home: http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-873802.html They mostly talk of anal fisting and masturbating guys really. Then page 2, some history with details on Mansef purchase, but agan the most extensive text it is irony on porn "Suddenly a green liquid shoots out of a black woman's anus": http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-873802-2.html They interview a porn guy in San Fernando Valley, and the fact he "burp" appears as one of the most relevant information to report. It calls the porn industry as brutal, and left with just unconditional aggression, as a mission. Tells of german Cam Girl of mydirtyhobby, who orders customers to howl like a wolf It ends with a clear morale: they try to get Fabian for tax evasion, too cute for who makes money off orgasms. Photo gallery, nothing useful, the famous Las Vegas photos of him: http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/ph...cke-91175.html But, in this german article, we learn more about such photo: http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/spiege...-a-874058.html It starts saying that whoever wants to remove sex videos uploaded without their consent by some ex-partner, should contact Fabian's company. And that they was asked to remove the Fabian photo from the expo, and to pay euro 100,000 in damages. I see at bottom of image there's an AVN mark, I suppose it is took by AVN and permission is from AVN? The Fabian's lawyer say the newspaper did not got permission to disseminate his image in Germany (foreign country, outside USA), and there s scan of a bill of $100,000 damage or so. A blogger-laywer wrote in technical detail if that's right to publish the internet expo image or not: http://socialmediarecht.wordpress.co...ochst-aktuell/ Not easy to understand, he seems pro-newspaper. The other newspaper won the case, so to sue all the newspapers it will may not reduce the press news. Journalists attitude may even revenge into associate the case with anal fisting and burps, not just Tax. __________________ TubeCamGirl.com Last edited by adultmobile; 12-20-2012 at 08:52 PM..

12-20-2012, 09:35 PM	#1123
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12-20-2012, 06:47 PM	#1119
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12-20-2012, 07:20 PM	#1121
Konda ... Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,280	The tax case is not about the source of the funds. I am sure that the $362 million investment did come from one or more investment groups from the US as Fabian claims, and the Die Welt investigation also confirmed this. The tax issue is about the fact that Fabian had a company in Germany generating millions of dollars, and all managers were driving expensive cars and getting huge bonuses, while on paper the German company made a small loss each year. What they did was sending invoices from Cyprus to the Germany company, pretending all the operations were done in Cyprus, so all the money went there. When Die Welt visited the Cyprus office, they were told all they do there is video encoding, and don't do any operations for the German office. It is a quite common structure, but if it's that obvious you have a problem. Now it's up to Fabian to come up with proof to justify sending these millions to Cyprus, while the company in Germany didn't make any profit. If he can't proof that, he might be in jail for a lot longer than people would think. In addition the while they are investigating all of this they can easily run into other irregularities, if there are any.

12-20-2012, 09:42 PM	#1124
adultmobile No, I am not banned Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: ChatGF.com Posts: 5,345	Fabian's face made it to the cover of a finance-focused magazine: http://www.capital.de/div/100048836.html It seems a different photo, perhaps retouched or even painted from scratch by a designer. Google finds lots of stuff on all media's, radio too (german audio...): http://www.br.de/on3/themen/netz/der...smann-100.html This seems very hot, but in German press only. Elsewhere, its skipped as a foreign guy only it is involved: no local citizens to make gossip on (yet). But the Cyprus Tax issue schema it was ideated, or at least known and agreed, by those USA entities who are (in fact) members of the Cyprus company itself. Otherwise, they loaned $362 million to someone without talk his Canadian accountant, or figure they was listed in a Cyprus rather than German company... it's still Europe... Germany, Cyprus... we can confuse... not teached in schools here... are North Americans required to know this exotic foreign geography stuff? __________________ TubeCamGirl.com

12-21-2012, 01:24 AM	#1125
SKUP Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 400	I wouldn't mind getting the official story. One source tells he was arrested at the airport, another one claims his house was raided by more then 100 police officers. If you look at that house you must assume 90 of the 100 officers had to waite outside because of the lack of space. Come to think of it: Tervuren (where his house is) is not too big (20.000 residents), very well possible they even had to waite outside that village.

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12-21-2012, 07:01 AM	#1134
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12-21-2012, 07:41 AM	#1137
Herrmann Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 36	Welt further reports that Fabian had to turn in his passport. He can return to Belgium and stay in his house until trial. He also agreed to strict registration restrictions, the paper does not give more details. Typically that means he has to report to a local police office daily in person or is restricted by a an electronic tag to a certain area, but that´s just my speculation here. In it´s next printed edition Der Spiegel also reports that due to the last sentences of one of our highest courts (Bundesgerichtshof, BGH) the usual penalty for tax evasion of more than one million Euros is jail without parole. So, if Fabian is found guilty, he might face several years behind bars, Spiegel says. According to unnamed sources within the investigators there is the suspicion of taxes in excess of 10 million Euros having been evaded. Several terabytes of "evidence" - I guess it´s a lot of movies as well ;) - were confiscated in the raids. Mind you that this story of Spiegel is not on their website yet, it´s a heads up of an upcoming report I just got from a friend.

12-21-2012, 11:24 AM	#1143
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,346	It seems to me that the German Press has a hard on for Fabian. I expect they will get him too, everyone knows theres a lot of shady shit with Fabian and Manwin, I doubt all these "gut feelings" are wrong. I for one will admit that I am disappointed, I'd have liked to have seen the fat little thief in jail for the foreseeable future. __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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12-21-2012, 12:15 PM	#1146
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